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Scope identification.

Post by Chappo » 28 Jan 2019, 7:29 pm

The slazenger 24 I bought recently came with this scope on a field side mount and I can’t find any info on it.
It seems like a nice old moving reticle scope that suits the rifle nicely and the glass is really good, very clear image.
I’ve not heard of this brand before so all I know is it is what’s written on it. :unknown:
Ace 2.5 x 7 x 31
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Re: Scope identification.

Post by straightshooter » 29 Jan 2019, 6:18 am

A detailed picture of the script on the side of the turret block may reveal more.
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Re: Scope identification.

Post by Chappo » 29 Jan 2019, 7:45 am

Thanks SS.
Just a serial number though, can that help?
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Re: Scope identification.

Post by straightshooter » 29 Jan 2019, 7:51 am

Chappo wrote:Thanks SS.
Just a serial number though, can that help?

I can see what looks to be a little more than a serial number.
What is the accurately measured tube diameter?
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Re: Scope identification.

Post by bladeracer » 29 Jan 2019, 9:28 am

straightshooter wrote:
Chappo wrote:Thanks SS.
Just a serial number though, can that help?

I can see what looks to be a little more than a serial number.
What is the accurately measured tube diameter?


Blowing the picture up, it says "2.5X-7X31".
With a 5-digit serial under it.

Looks awesome, and vaguely familiar. I'm sure I've seen those turrets somewhere before.
I hope you manage to identify it.
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 29 Jan 2019, 9:49 am

They look familiar to me too Blade, so I just tried a reverse image search but came up empty. Bering Optics make an ACE3 scope but I couldn't find any information on "Ace Scopes"
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Post by bladeracer » 29 Jan 2019, 9:55 am

Gaznazdiak wrote:They look familiar to me too Blade, so I just tried a reverse image search but came up empty. Bering Optics make an ACE3 scope but I couldn't find any information on "Ace Scopes"


I'm thinking it's an early US scope but I'll have to do some serious research to find it. I'm tending to think Lyman but can't place why.
Would be worth posting some pictures to some of the scope collecting forums I think.
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Post by Chappo » 29 Jan 2019, 10:55 am

straightshooter wrote:What is the accurately measured tube diameter?


It’s a one inch tube (25.4mm)

With a name like ace I wouldn’t have thought European.
American like blade said would be the best guess or Asian or Australian?

I haven’t been able to get it out of the rings to see if there’s any more markings but I’ll try again when I’ve got more time.
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Post by Chappo » 29 Jan 2019, 11:19 am

bladeracer wrote:Would be worth posting some pictures to some of the scope collecting forums I think.


Scope collecting forum?
There’s a forum for everything these days!!
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Re: Scope identification.

Post by bladeracer » 29 Jan 2019, 11:43 am

Chappo wrote:
bladeracer wrote:Would be worth posting some pictures to some of the scope collecting forums I think.


Scope collecting forum?
There’s a forum for everything these days!!


Collecting old scopes is quite big I think, particularly the old US stuff like Weaver, Lyman, Unertl.
Had to go into town to run some PtA's but I'll have a look online now and see if I can find anything.
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Re: Scope identification.

Post by Rod_outbak » 29 Jan 2019, 1:00 pm

From what I can find, it doesnt look to be either Weaver, Lyman, or Unertl.

The 2.5-7x31 is quite unusual for a variable scope. I think I could only track down 3 or maybe 4 that were remotely possible.
The shape of the base of the turrets is another point that seems to make this scope a bit more unusual; most scopes I've looked at dont have this streamlined shape.

My 3 hot contenders:

Supra(Nickel) Vari-Power 2.5-7x (1972-1974) - turrets are nigh identical, although I cant find any info on whether they made a scope with a 31mm objective lens.

United Binocular company; they made a 2.5-10x ("Golden Rifleman") variable, which looks very similar in the turrets and zoom adjust, and had a 31mm objective. Also, they were apparently known for re-badging scopes to suit dealers requirements.

I had a long look at the Weaver V7 & V700 series scopes, as they both came with the option for 2.5-7x, but I dont think the turrets or the objective lenses would be right.

Lyman made a 2-7x, but no info on the objective size, and the turrets are all wrong.

Bisley made a 2.5-7x variable, but again; no info on objective lens size, or indeed anything about the Bisley scope AT ALL.
Clark R. Gardner offered a 'Light' variable scope in 2.5-7x in around 1963, but I have no more info on what it looked like.

I tend to lean towards a re-badged variant of a United Binocular "Golden Rifleman" series, but I havent seen this particular product to be able to place any certainty to this.

Next option is it's of European origin, though the book I'm looking through does show most of the major Euro brands that exported to the USA.
However, this book shows next to NOTHING that was produced for the Australian market, so maybe it's a cheapie brand that was imported direct to Australia from Germany or Japan?


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Re: Scope identification.

Post by Bill » 29 Jan 2019, 1:31 pm

Turrets look to be high quality Japanese

Funny variable but Pecars of that era were like that.
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Post by Wombat » 29 Jan 2019, 3:33 pm

I think I have a Bisley 2.5-7X Variable on my Savage 340. The Turrets are not like that for what its worth. I'm not near my safe at the moment or I'd take a photo.
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Post by Bazooker » 29 Jan 2019, 5:18 pm

Rod_outbak may well be onto something with his Light Optical Works reference; LOW produced and continue to produce high quality scopes for many well known brands and others.

From a post on Rimfire Central:-

"a list gathered as highly probably brands which put their name on LOW manufactured scopes:

Bushnell Elite (formerly Bausch & Lomb, source Ken Marsh)
Weaver Classic, Grand Slam, Super Slam, T-series, Rimfire, Tactical (not the new 40/44 series - Philippines, Buckmark??, source Ken Marsh, AzizaVFR)
Vortex Razor (not Crossfire - China, or Diamondback and Viper - Originally Japan, now Philippines - Posts by C. Nelsons & MGT)
Clearidge (RFC post by Owner of Clearidge, Jon)
Nitrex ( C. Nelson RFC forum reported info from Manufacturer)
Huskemaw (Post #13, forum reported info from Manufacturer and Vendor)
Nightforce - Body & Lenses from Japan, LOW, Assembled in USA (source MGT correspondence with Nightforce, Post #10 this thread, also forum post #13 here"

I ended up getting a 6 x 33 "Light" branded scope on an M17 sporter that I bought as a donor, similar construction in some respects to the OP, but the markings are on the top of the rear tube section. I had not heard of that brand of scope so I did a bit of digging, and it turns out that in the 60's I thinks they sold under their own brand.

Here is a link to the 1958 United Binocular catalogue, the OP unit may be earlier than that, I reckon.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/United-Binocul ... 0791493654

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Re: Scope identification.

Post by Rod_outbak » 30 Jan 2019, 12:15 pm

Another possible brand is Cornell Optics. I know they made a variable scope, but also at least one model with a 31mm objective.
Also; the turrets look very similar(slight difference but very close).

I wondered if Cornell made scopes for other brands?

The adjustments on the windage/elevation strike me as being a lot more high quality than I've seen on most cheap scopes. It makes me again wonder if this is a quality prodcut from Germany or Japan, which has been trying to gain access to an overseas market.

Despite looking quite basic, this scope has turned out to be rather unusual; havent seen another like it, and I must have looked at over 1000 images of vintage scopes so far. Intriguing...
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Re: Scope identification.

Post by Chappo » 30 Jan 2019, 1:54 pm

Rod_outbak wrote:
The adjustments on the windage/elevation strike me as being a lot more high quality than I've seen on most cheap scopes. It makes me again wonder if this is a quality prodcut from Germany or Japan, which has been trying to gain access to an overseas market.

Despite looking quite basic, this scope has turned out to be rather unusual; havent seen another like it, and I must have looked at over 1000 images of vintage scopes so far. Intriguing...


I’m glad this has had a few of you guys interested, I’ll be a bit disappointed when we figure it out!
If it didn’t seem like it was of a higher quality then I wouldn’t have bothered asking but every time I’ve looked through it it’s bugged me.
Thanks heaps for everyone’s insight so far. :drinks:
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Re: Scope identification.

Post by Chappo » 30 Jan 2019, 5:40 pm

Ok so a bit of wd40 and I got it out of its mount and found a pretty big clue!
The logo looks to be a crossed Z in a circle.
Kind of like the cz logo but it’s still not familiar to me.
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Re: Scope identification.

Post by Rod_outbak » 30 Jan 2019, 8:27 pm

Mate, a close-up of that logo might be handy.

I blew it up, but it gets too grainy to be certain.

Looks like a stylized Z with a small A in front; all inside a circle??

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