Good news for NSW

[Baronvonrort]

Sound moderators are becoming legal in NSW.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/gun-control-l ... neld3.html

[brett1868]

Yep, good news and I just did some reading on the safe storage requirements for prohibited weapons. Quite strict but I exceed the minimum so might lodge an application in the coming weeks. I'll have to ask if it's 1 permit per silencer or if it'll cover more then 1 cause I have 4 different rifles already having a factory options for a noise attenuator. I'll call the DTA importer next week and get some idea if he can import them and what it's likely to cost. Will be great to lose the muffs out hunting, more comfortable and safer without them I think.

[bigfellascott]

Yeah saw that on AHN, I haven't got a use for one but good to see it may be possible to have one if the need arises.

[juststarting]

And us VIC folks can have one too, yes, yes?

Also:

The head of Gun Control Australia, Sam Lee, condemned the change of application form as a "gift to shooters".

WTF - gift to the shooters, like shooters shouldn't receive gifts or something?! What a biotch. Hope nobody gives her any gifts. Also, $120 fee is not a gift.

[juststarting]

Holly s*ht, so you want to see a fudd?

From the same article, in comments section (remember - young kids, no social life, I read comments as entertainment):

I am at a loss to understand why anyone in the mainstream shooting sports would require sound reduction devices of ANY description.
I understand that they may be required in very limited circumstances on that basis they can be applied for on an as needs basis only
Availability to the wider sporting shooting community is in my opinion ill considered at best.
The carping from the Gun Control Coalition and the head of the organisation (All of 2 people in 2012) Miss Lee is irrelevant as they have no legal moral or statistical basis other than personal opinion for their outpouring or ill founded misinformations.
They are certainly entitled to their individual opinions but not to represent them as something they are not i.e A coalition ( by inference many) opposed to all matters related to firearms ownership possession and use.
Before get flogged metaphorically speaking for my views on Sound moderators It should be known I own a good collection of firearms from .22 to .338 Lapua Magnum and a .460 Steyr I have done so for decades so have no issue with guns I just DO NOT get Sound Moderation devices for the average shooter.
Limited use on permit only is what I see as their best case scenario.
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[Baronvonrort]

I'll have to ask if it's 1 permit per silencer or if it'll cover more then 1 cause I have 4 different rifles already having a factory options for a noise attenuator. I'll call the DTA importer next week and get some idea if he can import them and what it's likely to cost. Will be great to lose the muffs out hunting, more comfortable and safer without them I think.

They have already updated the NSW Police website with genuine reason etc for silencer permit.

Might be cheaper to source them from NZ instead of the USA, I reckon the people at the indoor range might appreciate you having one.

[brett1868]

Paperwork already filled out, just need to sign and date it I'll hold off a couple weeks as I just lodged a commissioners permit for something else so best not raise any more alarm bells for the moment.

[Baronvonrort]

And us VIC folks can have one too, yes, yes?

Also:

The head of Gun Control Australia, Sam Lee, condemned the change of application form as a "gift to shooters".

In Vic you will have to ask why can they have them and we can't or move to NSW.

There is a good study on Sound moderators by Edith Cowan University, try google I have to go to bed.

[sandgroperbill]

Paperwork already filled out, just need to sign and date it I'll hold off a couple weeks as I just lodged a commissioners permit for something else so best not raise any more alarm bells for the moment.

Live long and prosper?

[GLS_1956]

Here in the USA more and more people are getting moderators, or silencers/suppressors as we call them. They are legal in over 38 states but are expensive to buy and require a Class 3 tax of $200 and a waiting period.

But they are gaining so much popularity that there is a strong push to get them off the Class 3 list. Reasons being are they are beneficial to hearing safety and protection and since more states are allowing them to be used when hunting they, they are less disturbing to non-hunters in the area.

[Title_II]

Holy sheep s**t! This is great news! Congratulations!

Yeah saw that on AHN, I haven't got a use for one but good to see it may be possible to have one if the need arises.

Trust me. You have the need.

Here in the USA more and more people are getting moderators, or silencers/suppressors as we call them. They are legal in over 38 states but are expensive to buy and require a Class 3 tax of $200 and a waiting period.

But they are gaining so much popularity that there is a strong push to get them off the Class 3 list. Reasons being are they are beneficial to hearing safety and protection and since more states are allowing them to be used when hunting they, they are less disturbing to non-hunters in the area.

There's no "waiting period," it just takes time for ATF to process the forms. They are not very expensive, either, IMO. We are talking $200 to $600, with $1500 being the outlier.

What you said was valid, not arguing at all. Just wanted to clarify for our Aussie hosts.

[bigfellascott]

Here's a vid for you guys who think that putting a silencer on your firearm is going to make it super quiet, it ain't, it just reduces the Crack/Boom type effect but it is still very auditable as you can see. The 22's are quite quiet but you need to run sub ammo in those to get that effect or else they are still loudish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qgs2oDh32wo

[Title_II]

Here's a vid for you guys who think that putting a silencer on your firearm is going to make it super quiet, it ain't, it just reduces the Crack/Boom type effect but it is still very auditable as you can see. The 22's are quite quiet but you need to run sub ammo in those to get that effect or else they are still loudish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qgs2oDh32wo

I'm going to have to disagree with most of what you said..

My Max-11 9mm is super quiet with subsonic ammo. So are all pistol cartridges with subsonic ammo and a decent can, and .300 BLK subsonic is also very quiet.

I could fire 32 rounds of 9mm in full auto in your house and you might not even wake up. The loudest noise would be the bullets hitting the floor boards.

Regarding .22, almost all ammo is subsonic out of a handgun. Keep in mind published velocities is for 24" barrels. For rifles I use CCI Standard, which is barely subsonic (1020 fps)but with substantial momentum for velocity and very consistent. This is important for full auto .22 conversion kits because tuning a full auto conversion kit in such a weak cartridge can be difficult. The can actually provides back pressure which increases reliability.

The real myth is that silencers are not quiet or "Hollywood quiet," while the truth is many are with the proper can, weapon, and ammo combination.

[bigfellascott]

You can disagree all you like mate, most will be using their standard hunting rounds and the noise reduction isn't silent as such, just drops the crack/boom down is all, sub sonic ammo is always going to be quieter than standard ammo, that's a no brainer really.

Perhaps you'd be good enough to put some vids up of your setups in action mate so we can all hear the diff.

[Title_II]

You can disagree all you like mate, most will be using their standard hunting rounds and the noise reduction isn't silent as such, just drops the crack/boom down is all, sub sonic ammo is always going to be quieter than standard ammo, that's a no brainer really.

Perhaps you'd be good enough to put some vids up of your setups in action mate so we can all hear the diff.

They do not make .30-06 hearing safe, the supersonic crack will sound like a .22. Notice I did not say .303 j/k It does make a HUGE difference (the blast is like 10x as loud), but you can only get quiet with handgun ammo or purpose built ammo (.300 BLK).

I can email some vids to you if you will put them up. I lost my passwords and email accounts for my yute tub and vimeo years ago and I do not intend to open new accounts at the moment.

[Squiddy]

Any chance of this happening in Vic?

[Mr.Seacucumber]

If it happens in Vic I would love to put one on my Weihrauch, it would so very very quite the bunnies will fear me!

[Chronos]

Guys be aware nothing has changed legislation wise, only changes to the fields on the application form.

As someone said elsehete they are not even processing/approving applications for pro shooters let alone sporting shooters. Don't get your hopes up.

As for importing them an Australian manufacturer has said there is no provision in the customs act to import supressors for anything other than go to contract shooters so you won't be able to import one from either the IS or the states. It will have to be manufactured here by a smith with a prohibited weapons permit and the price range he mentioned was "as much as another rifle"

Chronos

[Mr.Seacucumber]

Guys be aware nothing has changed legislation wise, only changes to the fields on the application form.

As someone said elsehete they are not even processing/approving applications for pro shooters let alone sporting shooters. Don't get your hopes up.

As for importing them an Australian manufacturer has said there is no provision in the customs act to import supressors for anything other than go to contract shooters so you won't be able to import one from either the IS or the states. It will have to be manufactured here by a smith with a prohibited weapons permit and the price range he mentioned was "as much as another rifle"

Chronos

But I mean we can dream right?

[headspace]

No Moderator or whatever for me, I'm already deaf from being an artillery man but wear ear muffs at the range and plugs in the bush. Question: How does one of these cans on your barrel affect the harmonics? I'd prefer one loud bang to a lot of slightly lower ones if it affects accuracy.

[happyhunter]

No Moderator or whatever for me, I'm already deaf from being an artillery man but wear ear muffs at the range and plugs in the bush. Question: How does one of these cans on your barrel affect the harmonics? I'd prefer one loud bang to a lot of slightly lower ones if it affects accuracy.

A lot of the time it improves the harmonics and shot to shot consistancy improves due to the dampening effect. That is with well constructed suppressors.

[Title_II]

Happyhunter is spot on. It usually improves accuracy. It's like a barrel crown measured in inches rather than micrometers

Anybody want to post my vids on yute tub or vimeo for our friends here?

[happyhunter]

Sound moderators would go a long way to resolving issues around noise compliants and make shooting ranges a lot easier on the ear. Even with supersonic ammo the reduction blast is worth having one. I think there are some places in the UK that they are mandatory for OHS reasons.

[Mr.Seacucumber]

Happyhunter is spot on. It usually improves accuracy. It's like a barrel crown measured in inches rather than micrometers

Anybody want to post my vids on yute tub or vimeo for our friends here?

I can but I'm not home for another two hours :/

[Title_II]

Happyhunter is spot on. It usually improves accuracy. It's like a barrel crown measured in inches rather than micrometers

Anybody want to post my vids on yute tub or vimeo for our friends here?

I can but I'm not home for another two hours :/

That would be like 80 hours for me, you guys are already past tomorrow

/end Yank silliness

[Mr.Seacucumber]

Happyhunter is spot on. It usually improves accuracy. It's like a barrel crown measured in inches rather than micrometers

Anybody want to post my vids on yute tub or vimeo for our friends here?

I can but I'm not home for another two hours :/

That would be like 80 hours for me, you guys are already past tomorrow

/end Yank silliness

Alrighteo I can upload them now

[Title_II]

I have a feeling it's not now anymore There's this time zone thing, round planet and all that. I was asleep PM me an email address and I'll try to send something. They are pretty large, though. Alternatively, give me a password to a video account and I'll upload some stuff, then you can change the password. I have reasons not to start new accounts myself at the moment due to business only computers and personal email addys.

[Baronvonrort]

Here is the study on sound moderators from Edith Cowan University-

www.shootersandfishers.org.au/files/6/5 ... y-2011.pdf

[Hercl]

I'm taking this as a wining step.

Sam Lee needs to apply for a permit and shove one in her mouth to quiet the noisy gas coming out of it.

[Title_II]

OK, just to be clear I am not falling out, somebody please send PM an email addy to send you my silencer videos or a password to upload them to your online video account. If you are interested. If not, that's fine. Sorry for the inconvenience. You guys requested it