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Putting new handles on old knives etc...

Post by Stix » 16 Jan 2019, 6:06 pm

Anyone able to give any advice on how to go about putting a new handle on this ol' beast...?

The existing handle has split & makes it dangerous to use...

It really has a decent amount of weight to it & it comes up pretty sharp without even putting a proper grind on it...so it would be a shame to not be able to use it because of no handle... :unknown:

Any pointers, advice, direction steering would be great.

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Post by bigpete » 16 Jan 2019, 6:53 pm

I'd make a sword style grip and peen a butt plate onto it
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 16 Jan 2019, 6:54 pm

This is purely personal taste Stix, but if that beauty was mine, I'd use the bottom of an axe handle.

I'd drill it horizontally for a tight fit and drill the wide end of the tang for one or two bronze hand rivets.
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Post by bigpete » 16 Jan 2019, 6:57 pm

I wouldn't,not with a heavy chopper like that.
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 16 Jan 2019, 7:09 pm

It's because it's so big that I'd do it that way, bigpete.
That flair at the toe of the handle that helps prevent your hand slipping off would serve the same purpose on a big butchers knife.

I've even put them on knives. I also found a way to put a coat of copper on old blades I've resurrected. A piece of copper, I used some old sheet, and put it in some hydrochloric acid. I left it until the acid was a good green, pull the copper out and drop in the blade and leave that for a few days then rinse. It put a nice matt bronze sheen.
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Post by bigpete » 16 Jan 2019, 7:18 pm

I'd not drill holes in the wide end of the tang simply because it weakens the tang at a point of high stress for a heavy chopping instrument,same as why swords are jilted the way they are. Plus its extra work too.
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Post by JimTom » 16 Jan 2019, 7:34 pm

Watched that Forged in Fire show a few times and once saw a bladesmith drill the handle undersized, heat up the tang, then burn it into the handle. I think he may have pinned it as well from memory although I am not certain.
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 16 Jan 2019, 7:58 pm

bigpete wrote:I'd not drill holes in the wide end of the tang simply because it weakens the tang at a point of high stress for a heavy chopping instrument,same as why swords are jilted the way they are. Plus its extra work too.


Well don't keep us guessing pete, how would you do it?
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Post by bigpete » 16 Jan 2019, 8:13 pm

I've already said how I'd do it at the very start.
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 16 Jan 2019, 8:21 pm

Sorry pete, missed that. Fair call, that would be another way.
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Post by Stix » 16 Jan 2019, 8:27 pm

Although its not "big", it does hold some weight so if whats being 'swung at' is missed, it could easily seat in ones thigh... :shock: ...it does take some decent wrist strength to stop its momentum when used in the garden...you guys have obviously caught on that this aint no department store home butchers knife... :thumbsup:

So if ssy chopping through bone on a solid timber backing for example, there would be a decent amount of force imparted on the tang...hence it will need a decent, solid, & well fitting handle, whether riveted or not.

So guys, is putting a new handle on, done simply by selecting a decent piece of even grained timber & shaping it, drilling the hole for the tang & "jamming" it home...?

Jim, that technique sounds interesting...i wonder if that would have been used originally with a 'sappy' type wood where the sap would part melt & re-harden to act as a natural glue...? :unknown:

Ive obviously never done this before... :unknown:
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Post by bigpete » 16 Jan 2019, 8:31 pm

What I would do is get 2 pieces of decent timber,carve a channel for the tang,glue them together on the tang,shape them to suit your hand slightly undersize,wrap with twine to support the grain,then cold peen a metal plate to the butt to prevent the handle slipping off the tang. Sounds like heaps of work but it's not really. Basically how most swords are hilted.
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Post by Gwion » 17 Jan 2019, 8:31 am

Bigpete is right. You don't want to drill pins in a rat tail tang like that. Your choice of handle material will be important or it will just split again under heavy use.

A nice piece of hollow bone or antler would look good and should last well. Make a forward bolster plate and a rear cap, epoxy the tang and whole thing in place and clamp it all together with a small section of tang protruding. Then peen the tail down to created further mechanical lock between blade and handle. Might be an idea to use a torch to heat the tip of the tail to ensure it is nice and soft (annealed) for peening before fitting it all up.
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Post by Gwion » 17 Jan 2019, 8:31 am

Double post.
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Post by Daddybang » 17 Jan 2019, 8:50 am

I was gonna suggest that ya put the old handle back on then wrap f@#k out of the handle with hundred mile an hour tape...... but gaz bigpete jimtom and gwions ideas are probably better!!! :lol: :drinks:
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Post by JimTom » 17 Jan 2019, 2:20 pm

Daddybang wrote:I was gonna suggest that ya put the old handle back on then wrap f@#k out of the handle with hundred mile an hour tape...... but gaz bigpete and gwions ideas are probably better!!! :lol: :drinks:


Bwahahaha yeah but your idea is way easier mate. :lol:
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Post by Daddybang » 17 Jan 2019, 3:21 pm

Sorry JT I missed ya out there but I've rectified it now mate!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :drinks: :drinks: :drinks:
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Post by Ecobogan » 24 Jan 2019, 2:29 pm

Gwion wrote:Bigpete is right. You don't want to drill pins in a rat tail tang like that. Your choice of handle material will be important or it will just split again under heavy use.


You're both onto it. If peening the butt plate on is giving you grief, and you've got a mig handy, poke the tang through the butt plate and give it 3 or 4 good hot tacks. Then flap disc the welds down....just an alternative.
Also keying up the tang with some tiny grooves using a 1mm cut off disc wouldn't hurt, along with the epoxy.
Most forging I do is decorative 'wrought iron' but worked for an industrial blacksmith in Adelaide for a few years and did a bit of sword and knife resto work. This is how we used to do it.
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