WA Firearm Law Reforms - Monday 16 October announcement

[moopere]

Mmm. I signed the e-petition, you know, the largest in WA history that was simply ignored

Just got a text message from WAPOL that its law now - so heads up, we're coming for you ...

Anyway, this post is not about that. Putting in my details to sign off on the e-petition now finds me getting spammed by an MLC with something that tries hard to be some sort of newsletter but is just bizarre partizan rubbish of the type you usually see going on in parliamentary question time.

I find it hard to get through a read tbh so perhaps I've missed something important, but I don't remember this MLC, in amongst the ranting, saying something simple such as - we'll repeal this new firearm law within 100 days of taking office - or something similar. The spammy emails are just a bunch of rubbish about labor bad, liberals good ... vote for us.

Why would I?

If the WA libs were not as limp wristed as they are, and have been for years, then they'd be a proper force to be reckoned with and could oppose and prevent the passing of such laws in the first place. Unsurprisingly then my take is that the WA libs don't give a s**t either - and the ridiculous state of affairs thats been building for decades will just be further built upon when an opportunity arises.

Am I just fully black-pilled?

[moopere]

... The way WA is being run, I wouldn’t be surprised to see more WA number plates on cars around here.

Its fermenting in my mind. Can I convert what is already 60% work-from-home business activity into a QLD residential address and fly-in-fly-out to WA for those face to face contacts that can't be avoided?

I think I'll start a thread about this - its a larger subject really than the recent WA gun law changes alone.

[bigrich]

... The way WA is being run, I wouldn’t be surprised to see more WA number plates on cars around here.

Its fermenting in my mind. Can I convert what is already 60% work-from-home business activity into a QLD residential address and fly-in-fly-out to WA for those face to face contacts that can't be avoided?

I think I'll start a thread about this - its a larger subject really than the recent WA gun law changes alone.

i've got a boss who does facetime meetings on the internet all the time . queensland is the last old school state, but it's changing . urban sprawl inhabited by potato heads , and inner city yuppies who increasingly support the greens

your allowed up to 30 cat B firearms in this state , i'm not sure there is a limit on cat A. "like for like" is another good thing . you can take your firearm and trade it/consign it for sale and swap it out for another gun in the same caliber and action on the spot . no waiting for PTA's .

i've got a mate i discuss this sort of thing with , and i tell him live it now, cause one day this will be "the good old days"

[Oldbloke]

... The way WA is being run, I wouldn’t be surprised to see more WA number plates on cars around here.

Its fermenting in my mind. Can I convert what is already 60% work-from-home business activity into a QLD residential address and fly-in-fly-out to WA for those face to face contacts that can't be avoided?

I think I'll start a thread about this - its a larger subject really than the recent WA gun law changes alone.

i've got a boss who does facetime meetings on the internet all the time . queensland is the last old school state, but it's changing . urban sprawl inhabited by potato heads , and inner city yuppies who increasingly support the greens

your allowed up to 30 cat B firearms in this state , i'm not sure there is a limit on cat A. "like for like" is another good thing . you can take your firearm and trade it/consign it for sale and swap it out for another gun in the same caliber and action on the spot . no waiting for PTA's .

i've got a mate i discuss this sort of thing with , and i tell him live it now, cause one day this will be "the good old days"

Hate to admit it. But I reckon your spot on.

[moopere]

Oh, just got a retraction from WAPOL about the earlier text message that they sent out ... perhaps its not yet law? Followed up immediately by an email from the WA Nationals talking about the errant text messages.

To me, such a farcical debacle simply means that WAPOL is absolutely chomping at the bit to get started raiding people - they can barely contain their glee at the prospect.

[Oldbloke]

Strange it's passed both houses in two days. Very unusual.

[mchughcb]

Oh, just got a retraction from WAPOL about the earlier text message that they sent out ... perhaps its not yet law? Followed up immediately by an email from the WA Nationals talking about the errant text messages.

To me, such a farcical debacle simply means that WAPOL is absolutely chomping at the bit to get started raiding people - they can barely contain their glee at the prospect.

Saw that tonight. What a farce. But they are getting what they wanted from the Labor government.

[bigrich]

Strange it's passed both houses in two days. Very unusual.

Political control and overreach by our politicians and government is getting more and more out of hand. Land grab by First Nations groups is going on in various states with non indigenous peoples effectively banned from some areas. Fraser Island, great keppel island and some areas north of Brisbane are being claimed, not to mention state forest debacle in Victoria. State governments are doing semi secret deals with First Nations folks after the voice vote failed. The Labour Party, or as aunty Pauline termed them “champagne socialists “ are ignoring the best interests of the majority of Australian’s , and doing things to their own self righteousness woke agenda. I hope they get absolutely destroyed politically next election. At least the national’s in WA seemed to make an attempt at stopping the new law changes. Lib’s just folded to labour. Even though firearms deaths are an extremely small number compared to suicide/ mental health issues, it’s getting overblown attention. This WILL have a domino effect in other labour run states, as they all rush to protect the public from the five or so legal gun owners who go off the rails, usually ending tragically because the system fails to act on it’s own rules. I hope this forum is monitored. Maybe someone from the Feds might see the sense in what I’ve posted and by some miracle attitudes in government might change. But I’ve probably got a better chance of having a beer with Santa Claus. Just my thoughts over my early morning coffee, before I go to work and put money into the coffers of the socialists running this country

[alexjones]

... The way WA is being run, I wouldn’t be surprised to see more WA number plates on cars around here.

Its fermenting in my mind. Can I convert what is already 60% work-from-home business activity into a QLD residential address and fly-in-fly-out to WA for those face to face contacts that can't be avoided?

I think I'll start a thread about this - its a larger subject really than the recent WA gun law changes alone.

i've got a boss who does facetime meetings on the internet all the time . queensland is the last old school state, but it's changing . urban sprawl inhabited by potato heads , and inner city yuppies who increasingly support the greens

your allowed up to 30 cat B firearms in this state , i'm not sure there is a limit on cat A. "like for like" is another good thing . you can take your firearm and trade it/consign it for sale and swap it out for another gun in the same caliber and action on the spot . no waiting for PTA's .

i've got a mate i discuss this sort of thing with , and i tell him live it now, cause one day this will be "the good old days"

Hey mate that is not correct. You can have an unlimited amount so long as you can support the genuine reason of course. That 30 you speak of is in regards to storage at an address. More than 30 you need to up your storage at that address from a simple gun safe/s into a vault storage gun room type set up.

Also I will add to your list with what is good about QLD is that a PTA lasts for 6 months, you can buy any size ammo under 1 inch in calibre even if you don't own that gun and it is the only state that lets you ship a gun from within QLD to your front door. Other states can only get it shipped to a dealer. Not to mention whilst appearance laws are on the books they are not implemented.

Also on private land a kid over 11 but under 18 can shoot a gun unlicensed whilst under the supervision of a licensed user. So your kids or gran kids can shoot on the farm without being licensed. Stupid how when they turn 18 it becomes ilegal but that's gun laws for you, always stupid haha.

Only exception for unlicensed over 18 gun use is at a range or a direct family member or farm worker doing farm duties under the authority of the farmer.

[Oldbloke]

Well, RAMED it through. Exactly like Jack boot Jeff Kennet in the 1990s.

They are all tared with the same brush. The one labled power and greed.

https://shootersunion.com.au/western-au ... australia/

[mchughcb]

... The way WA is being run, I wouldn’t be surprised to see more WA number plates on cars around here.

Its fermenting in my mind. Can I convert what is already 60% work-from-home business activity into a QLD residential address and fly-in-fly-out to WA for those face to face contacts that can't be avoided?

I think I'll start a thread about this - its a larger subject really than the recent WA gun law changes alone.

i've got a boss who does facetime meetings on the internet all the time . queensland is the last old school state, but it's changing . urban sprawl inhabited by potato heads , and inner city yuppies who increasingly support the greens

your allowed up to 30 cat B firearms in this state , i'm not sure there is a limit on cat A. "like for like" is another good thing . you can take your firearm and trade it/consign it for sale and swap it out for another gun in the same caliber and action on the spot . no waiting for PTA's .

i've got a mate i discuss this sort of thing with , and i tell him live it now, cause one day this will be "the good old days"

Plenty of retired cat ladies voting greens too.

[alexjones]

I am hearing rumours that it is getting harder for people in WA to send their guns to east coast dealers. If there is any truth to this it will be hard for them to get their guns out of state before they are stolen by the government. I wonder how many people will drive to Adelaide and store them at dealers there.

Any idea why? What's the problem?

Something to do with how they ship it there. Apparently there is only like one place in Perth that can do the shipping.

[bigrich]

... The way WA is being run, I wouldn’t be surprised to see more WA number plates on cars around here.

Its fermenting in my mind. Can I convert what is already 60% work-from-home business activity into a QLD residential address and fly-in-fly-out to WA for those face to face contacts that can't be avoided?

I think I'll start a thread about this - its a larger subject really than the recent WA gun law changes alone.

i've got a boss who does facetime meetings on the internet all the time . queensland is the last old school state, but it's changing . urban sprawl inhabited by potato heads , and inner city yuppies who increasingly support the greens

your allowed up to 30 cat B firearms in this state , i'm not sure there is a limit on cat A. "like for like" is another good thing . you can take your firearm and trade it/consign it for sale and swap it out for another gun in the same caliber and action on the spot . no waiting for PTA's .

i've got a mate i discuss this sort of thing with , and i tell him live it now, cause one day this will be "the good old days"

Hey mate that is not correct. You can have an unlimited amount so long as you can support the genuine reason of course. That 30 you speak of is in regards to storage at an address. More than 30 you need to up your storage at that address from a simple gun safe/s into a vault storage gun room type set up.

Also I will add to your list with what is good about QLD is that a PTA lasts for 6 months, you can buy any size ammo under 1 inch in calibre even if you don't own that gun and it is the only state that lets you ship a gun from within QLD to your front door. Other states can only get it shipped to a dealer. Not to mention whilst appearance laws are on the books they are not implemented.

Also on private land a kid over 11 but under 18 can shoot a gun unlicensed whilst under the supervision of a licensed user. So your kids or gran kids can shoot on the farm without being licensed. Stupid how when they turn 18 it becomes ilegal but that's gun laws for you, always stupid haha.

Only exception for unlicensed over 18 gun use is at a range or a direct family member or farm worker doing farm duties under the authority of the farmer.

Ah, stand corrected. You can have over 30 with a vault. So that, and the other things you mentioned, mean Queensland’s even better for gun ownership than I thought.. you learn something new everyday, and it’s part of the reason I get on this forum

[bigrich]

Well, RAMED it through. Exactly like Jack boot Jeff Kennet in the 1990s.

They are all tared with the same brush. The one labled power and greed.

https://shootersunion.com.au/western-au ... australia/

Yeah, and it says a lot that Kennet had a public spew over Dan andrews being nominated for an order of Australia medal……

[Oldbloke]

Well, RAMED it through. Exactly like Jack boot Jeff Kennet in the 1990s.

They are all tared with the same brush. The one labled power and greed.

https://shootersunion.com.au/western-au ... australia/

Yeah, and it says a lot that Kennet had a public spew over Dan andrews being nominated for an order of Australia medal……

Hypocrites the lot of them.

[alexjones]

Ah, stand corrected. You can have over 30 with a vault. So that, and the other things you mentioned, mean Queensland’s even better for gun ownership than I thought.. you learn something new everyday, and it’s part of the reason I get on this forum

Well its 30 at the address but you could store more at another address or with a dealer. But if you want more than 30 at an address you need a vault yes.

If you have a spare 10-20 grand build yourself a gun room at your house mate. Proper good investment haha

The only law that is bad in QLD that other states don't have is the remove bolt or break the action, no 50BMG and no state hunting.

[Oldbloke]

When the psychiatric assessments start it will be mayhem.

A few gun hating psychiatrists will refuse everyone. And the wait times to see a psychiatrist will be horrendous. And cops will use it as an excuse to confiscate if you don't get a result on time.

[alexjones]

When the psychiatric assessments start it will be mayhem.

A few gun hating psychiatrists will refuse everyone. And the wait times to see a psychiatrist will be horrendous. And cops will use it as an excuse to confiscate if you don't get a result on time.

Because I won my court cases against the police they made me do a psychiatrist assessment when I did my licence renewal(years ago) and I was stressing she would be a commie as the majority of them are but it turned out her dad was some farmer and whilst she wasn't pro gun she wasn't anti gun either.

[Oldbloke]

When the psychiatric assessments start it will be mayhem.

A few gun hating psychiatrists will refuse everyone. And the wait times to see a psychiatrist will be horrendous. And cops will use it as an excuse to confiscate if you don't get a result on time.

Because I won my court cases against the police they made me do a psychiatrist assessment when I did my licence renewal(years ago) and I was stressing she would be a commie as the majority of them are but it turned out her dad was some farmer and whilst she wasn't pro gun she wasn't anti gun either.

I think you got lucky.

[alexjones]

When the psychiatric assessments start it will be mayhem.

A few gun hating psychiatrists will refuse everyone. And the wait times to see a psychiatrist will be horrendous. And cops will use it as an excuse to confiscate if you don't get a result on time.

Because I won my court cases against the police they made me do a psychiatrist assessment when I did my licence renewal(years ago) and I was stressing she would be a commie as the majority of them are but it turned out her dad was some farmer and whilst she wasn't pro gun she wasn't anti gun either.

I think you got lucky.

Agree mate. The process was rather annoying and lengthy. I have had a few criminal charges in my time but I have never had a conviction. So the police whilst they can't reject my application they can prolong it to test my resolve in making me jump through the extra hoops.. A criminal charge is nothing to stress a conviction is what matters. The only time it would matter if the court finds something bad as a "matter of fact". Say as example I was charged for trespassing but I won that case but it was proven in court I was under the influence of drugs at the time that would be bad because whilst not convicted for trespassing having a proven "matter of fact" in court that you are a drug user would be bad and you would not have a licence. So there is always nuance involved.

In regards to medical testing of licence holders as an example there are over 200 thousand gun owners in QLD. If everyone of them had to do an assessment the medical system would collapse as it could not handle it. Not to mention the doctors do not have the training to deal with "should this bloke have a gun".

[mickb]

They will eventually get all this sort of legislation through everywhere and the reason itsnt because people dont fight back its because people actually support such legislation. While they may not like it in relation to guns... they will happily support a law to leash dogs, fence backyard pools, mandate eperbs in boats and pay thousands extra for airbags whether you want them or not.

if you felt a twinge of dissapproval at anything I typed just remember someone is having the same twinge when you say gun control needs to slow down.

[bigrich]

They will eventually get all this sort of legislation through everywhere and the reason itsnt because people dont fight back its because people actually support such legislation. While they may not like it in relation to guns... they will happily support a law to leash dogs, fence backyard pools, mandate eperbs in boats and pay thousands extra for airbags whether you want them or not.

if you felt a twinge of dissapproval at anything I typed just remember someone is having the same twinge when you say gun control needs to slow down.

Such is democracy, there’s a lot of easily scared urban/ city dwellers who believe whatever the government tells them is in their best interest, and the media is along for the ride in the pursuit of ratings for their “talking heads” on morning “news “ shows. I put news in inverted commas because mainstream news is so distorted these days. Ssaa Ripley used to have a range day where work socials used to try out shooting. You’d be surprised how many female office workers enjoyed shotgun clays. Good PR for our sport. I wonder if Chanel 9 would get Karl stephanovic out there for a human interest story?
Fat chance…..

[moopere]

They will eventually get all this sort of legislation through everywhere and the reason itsnt because people dont fight back its because people actually support such legislation. While they may not like it in relation to guns... they will happily support a law to leash dogs, fence backyard pools, mandate eperbs in boats and pay thousands extra for airbags whether you want them or not.

if you felt a twinge of dissapproval at anything I typed just remember someone is having the same twinge when you say gun control needs to slow down.

Mmm. This!

What is the logical conclusion to all this? Ultimately, its a state of affairs where there will be no freedoms, none, not even things we'd regard as trivial today. Everything becomes a 'privilege' not a right. Every single thing you do, from birth to death, every trivial part of life, will have someone, somewhere, objecting for one reason or another and if there are no overriding principles at play then ultimately you'll be in the box (ala the Matrix movie pods) eating the liquified bugs.

[Coxy383]

They will eventually get all this sort of legislation through everywhere and the reason itsnt because people dont fight back its because people actually support such legislation. While they may not like it in relation to guns... they will happily support a law to leash dogs, fence backyard pools, mandate eperbs in boats and pay thousands extra for airbags whether you want them or not.

if you felt a twinge of dissapproval at anything I typed just remember someone is having the same twinge when you say gun control needs to slow down.

Mmm. This!

What is the logical conclusion to all this? Ultimately, its a state of affairs where there will be no freedoms, none, not even things we'd regard as trivial today. Everything becomes a 'privilege' not a right. Every single thing you do, from birth to death, every trivial part of life, will have someone, somewhere, objecting for one reason or another and if there are no overriding principles at play then ultimately you'll be in the box (ala the Matrix movie pods) eating the liquified bugs.

There is no answer now. It's confirm or put your "freedom" at risk. While people say it no-one will actually fight the police. You will be arrested, loose your job maybe your kids. As soon as they are at your door 99% will comply. 1% will straight up be arrested and go to prison.....I'm just happy I live extremely rural while it won't change what happens have a little bit more freedom with 100000s acers of forest and farms around. But very happy I'm not younger to tell the truth

[alexjones]

I have always hated commie trade unions but I was rather impressed how during the scamdemic they were protesting against the government lockdowns and things heated up rather intensely outside the shrine of remembrance and the CMFEU headquarters. They stood up for the basic human right to freely go about their business and not be deemed "non essential".

[bigrich]

I have always hated commie trade unions but I was rather impressed how during the scamdemic they were protesting against the government lockdowns and things heated up rather intensely outside the shrine of remembrance and the CMFEU headquarters. They stood up for the basic human right to freely go about their business and not be deemed "non essential".

The enemy of my enemy is my friend….

[mchughcb]

I have always hated commie trade unions but I was rather impressed how during the scamdemic they were protesting against the government lockdowns and things heated up rather intensely outside the shrine of remembrance and the CMFEU headquarters. They stood up for the basic human right to freely go about their business and not be deemed "non essential".

They just didn't want the jab. To maintain their authorized worker status they had a deadline to get it, like the police snd nurses. So they went and protested. Meanwhile the rest of Victoria were not authorized, were in 23 hour lockdown, were not paid job keeper and had to draw down on leave and pay taxes.

[moopere]

There is no answer now. It's confirm or put your "freedom" at risk. While people say it no-one will actually fight the police. You will be arrested, loose your job maybe your kids. As soon as they are at your door 99% will comply. 1% will straight up be arrested and go to prison.....I'm just happy I live extremely rural while it won't change what happens have a little bit more freedom with 100000s acers of forest and farms around. But very happy I'm not younger to tell the truth

I agree.

My generation, and those younger, who were not born before the 2nd world war, are getting a glimpse now of how authoritarian regimes actually take hold and how they do their evil - which is something I never understood as a boy or even as a young man. It seemed a given that certain mid 20th century regimes were 'evil' and that people were weak for bowing down to them ... why didn't people rise up and reclaim the right?

Now, and for a long time, we're living the history lesson and the answer to those types of questions.

[Oldbloke]

Consultation.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-10/ ... c_news_web

[on_one_wheel]

There is no answer now. It's confirm or put your "freedom" at risk. While people say it no-one will actually fight the police. You will be arrested, loose your job maybe your kids. As soon as they are at your door 99% will comply. 1% will straight up be arrested and go to prison.....I'm just happy I live extremely rural while it won't change what happens have a little bit more freedom with 100000s acers of forest and farms around. But very happy I'm not younger to tell the truth

I agree.

My generation, and those younger, who were not born before the 2nd world war, are getting a glimpse now of how authoritarian regimes actually take hold and how they do their evil - which is something I never understood as a boy or even as a young man. It seemed a given that certain mid 20th century regimes were 'evil' and that people were weak for bowing down to them ... why didn't people rise up and reclaim the right?

Now, and for a long time, we're living the history lesson and the answer to those types of questions.

100% correct
Some of us can see it happening in plain sight, others are willingly accepting and agreeing to each and every change because they believe it's for the better, one day they'll wake up and find themselves locked in their own homes needing a valid reason to go outside because "there's germs out there"...... oh wait, that actually happened, even that didn't wake the sheeple up.

Perhaps I need to increase my daily dose of fluoride ?