WA Firearm Law Reforms - Monday 16 October announcement

[Wapiti]

Is it just me or nobody can see the forest for the trees here, is everyone else so naive? It's not just shooters, it's everyone with a sane mind that cops the crap that this lot of human failures dish out. Cook just called JD Vance a knob on a forum, whilst talking sh*t about US mineral investment in WA, and egging on that scumbag Peter Garrett who reckons he'd love to dance on the grave of Gina Rinehart.
Bite the hand that feeds you in taxes, the only real taxes WA can manage and surely not from the skills of the human scum in government, it comes from heros like Rinehart who directly and indirectly employ so many of the REAL people in WA, the workers and small business owners supporting them. What an arrogant dog. Whilst a farmer is found guilty of breaking abbo cultural heritage laws by concreting a driveway over his creek because of some made-up myth.

Shooters have written themselves off, proved they can't stand up. The only hope the state's other decent folk have the brains and balls to throw them out. But despite my hopes, I don't think so.

[alexjones]

Australians are politically lazy. Give them beer and sport on TV to watch and you can abuse, rape and take away any freedom from them and whilst they may cry about it, they will bend over every time and take it dry.

Remember during covid how alcohol shops were deemed essential and could stay open whilst other businesses had to close. Because a drunk idiot is a happy idiot. Even during the Soviet Union during food shortages they kept the vodka rations high because people will comply.

[Wapiti]

Australians are politically lazy. Give them beer and sport on TV to watch and you can abuse, rape and take away any freedom from them and whilst they may cry about it, they will bend over every time and take it dry.

Remember during covid how alcohol shops were deemed essential and could stay open whilst other businesses had to close. Because a drunk idiot is a happy idiot. Even during the Soviet Union during food shortages they kept the vodka rations high because people will comply.

Mate, spot on. I like your style.
Remember, beer is human-kind's greatest invention.

[alexjones]

Australians are politically lazy. Give them beer and sport on TV to watch and you can abuse, rape and take away any freedom from them and whilst they may cry about it, they will bend over every time and take it dry.

Remember during covid how alcohol shops were deemed essential and could stay open whilst other businesses had to close. Because a drunk idiot is a happy idiot. Even during the Soviet Union during food shortages they kept the vodka rations high because people will comply.

Mate, spot on. I like your style.
Remember, beer is human-kind's greatest invention.

I would of said Bundy rum. Haha black gold that stuff

[Wapiti]

Actually, you reminded me about something insidious about your memory about the pathetic reaction the political grubs made during covid, "kids playground bad, beer shop good".
In our side business, we definitely saw a large increase in alcohol-fueled domestic violence, patients, almost always female, attending ED's and GP's for help from alcohol fueled hubby taking his new-found imprisonment in-house out on his family. Anyone disputing this is definitely leading a sheltered life.
Poor cops, so many drunken domestic violence cases to take up their time bringing the offenders into the ED's. But distracting the cops with this at least stopped so many old ladies and people not wearing masks being king hit for daring to exercise their individual rights instead.

[alexjones]

Today is the day!!!! Election day!

[Bugman]

Today is the day!!!! Election day!

Yep. Labor in with a landslide (predicted).....DOH!!

[alexjones]

Today is the day!!!! Election day!

Yep. Labor in with a landslide (predicted).....DOH!!

I am a degenerate gambler (my one vice) and my money is on labor. Sad state of affairs but you are right.

[Wapiti]

Oh well. They were warned.

[Oldbloke]

How many voters in WA
How many shooters?

[Over The Hill]

How many voters in WA
How many shooters?

1,869,000 eligible voters
90,000 Firearm Licences
So 4.8%

[Oldbloke]

How many voters in WA
How many shooters?

1,869,000 eligible voters
90,000 Firearm Licences
So 4.8%

Thx for that.

Sooo, would firearm owners realistically be able to swing it.

I guess it would be possible in close seats. I don't really know.

[Over The Hill]

How many voters in WA
How many shooters?

1,869,000 eligible voters
90,000 Firearm Licences
So 4.8%

Thx for that.

Sooo, would firearm owners realistically be able to swing it.

I guess it would be possible in close seats. I don't really know.

Given the size of the swing needed against Labor to even come close to making any difference it wouldn't matter even if every licence holder had another 5 mates vote with him

There will be some swing against Labor and possibly a few seats change hands however too big a gap to overcome in this election to make any difference. The promises made by the opposition and independants will disappear like magic smoke once the dealing starts

[Oldbloke]

How many voters in WA
How many shooters?

1,869,000 eligible voters
90,000 Firearm Licences
So 4.8%

Thx for that.

Sooo, would firearm owners realistically be able to swing it.

I guess it would be possible in close seats. I don't really know.

Given the size of the swing needed against Labor to even come close to making any difference it wouldn't matter even if every licence holder had another 5 mates vote with him

There will be some swing against Labor and possibly a few seats change hands however too big a gap to overcome in this election to make any difference. The promises made by the opposition and independants will disappear like magic smoke once the dealing starts

Pretty right I think.

[Oldbloke]

Initial results 11pm est

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[moopere]

Its a landslide for sure - I'm wondering if it might even end up worse than 2021's labor victory! Goodness me.

Shooters swinging the vote though? No, never - and I'm not being cynical about the community. Our only hope really was always going to be the legislative council where the collective power of voters at least has some chance ... some. In the lower house unless you live in a strongly Nat or Lib area its almost pointless to vote - not actually pointless, we still need to keep banging on but ... I could probably count on two hands the number of shooters in my electorate.

[bigrich]

FFS ! are people in WA really stupid enough to vote for more labor socialism . i'm just glad i was born in '69 and got to live through a age when this country was special and a hell of a lot less restrictive

[alexjones]

To all the gun owners of WA who did not go to the rally with your family which could of made a crowd in the hundreds of thousands of people. You must be happy that labor won because your inaction shows the rest of the country that you like the new laws which are about to drop.

[alexjones]

FFS ! are people in WA really stupid enough to vote for more labor socialism . i'm just glad i was born in '69 and got to live through a age when this country was special and a hell of a lot less restrictive

So many once former patriots have mentally checked out of this country mate. Just extract whatever resources you can from it and try to provide your kin with a good life because this country is a hell hole. It is not the country people grew up in and loved.

[Tomotron]

To all the gun owners of WA who did not go to the rally with your family which could of made a crowd in the hundreds of thousands of people. You must be happy that labor won because your inaction shows the rest of the country that you like the new laws which are about to drop.

To those that protested, it's time to move east.

[bigrich]

FFS ! are people in WA really stupid enough to vote for more labor socialism . i'm just glad i was born in '69 and got to live through a age when this country was special and a hell of a lot less restrictive

So many once former patriots have mentally checked out of this country mate. Just extract whatever resources you can from it and try to provide your kin with a good life because this country is a hell hole. It is not the country people grew up in and loved.

i don't think of oz as a "hell hole" just yet , there's numerous more dangerous corrupt places than here . i'm still a old school patriot , holding the australian values i saw as a kid growing up in the 70's close to my heart . i'm trying to do what i can politically , and educate folks on hunting/pest control and the lives of people in the regions that i meet . and the creep of government control and over reach . uphill battle, but i try . i'm also trying to live my best life , while we're still allowed to

[on_one_wheel]

Take a look at Libby Mettam's background, political history and behaviour.
It's little wonder nobody is voting for her, she's an openly racist idiot with zero life experience outside the media and cushy shadow cabinet roles.
She is really just a nobody with no real achievements to boast.

[mchughcb]

Take a look at Libby Mettam's background, political history and behaviour.
It's little wonder nobody is voting for her, she's an openly racist idiot with zero life experience outside the media and cushy shadow cabinet roles.
She is really just a nobody with no real achievements to boast.

Arts background. And was closely tied up with Troy Buswell.

I went to Troy Buswell's wedding. I didnt like him but later it turned out to be the worst decision my mates sister every made.

WA liberal party is a bunch of clowns that stand for nothing.

[on_one_wheel]

No doubt they'll look to reshuffle and bring in some genuine talent after this disaster.

It'll be interesting to see how WA votes in the federal election.

[alexjones]

FFS ! are people in WA really stupid enough to vote for more labor socialism . i'm just glad i was born in '69 and got to live through a age when this country was special and a hell of a lot less restrictive

So many once former patriots have mentally checked out of this country mate. Just extract whatever resources you can from it and try to provide your kin with a good life because this country is a hell hole. It is not the country people grew up in and loved.

i don't think of oz as a "hell hole" just yet , there's numerous more dangerous corrupt places than here . i'm still a old school patriot , holding the australian values i saw as a kid growing up in the 70's close to my heart . i'm trying to do what i can politically , and educate folks on hunting/pest control and the lives of people in the regions that i meet . and the creep of government control and over reach . uphill battle, but i try . i'm also trying to live my best life , while we're still allowed to

Yes look sorry I am being a little hyperbolic but you know as well as I do that Australia really was the best country in the world at one point. That's not just me saying that because I was born here it is me saying it because it is fact. It is just hard to accept that what we once lived as good and normal is being corrupted and bad.

Like when the Visigoths sacked Rome in 410 after many years of social decay we are living a near copy repeat.

[mchughcb]

I remember a life before Indian telemarketing scammers.

[moopere]

To all the gun owners of WA who did not go to the rally with your family which could of made a crowd in the hundreds of thousands of people. You must be happy that labor won because your inaction shows the rest of the country that you like the new laws which are about to drop.

I understand the sentiment of this comment and don't disagree.

However, when out of control authoritarian socialists are running the show they just ignore the nay sayers. Look at what happened to the public submission to parliament ... just ignored despite being the largest in the states history. A big protest crowd means nothing to these clowns.

Look at the big protests that assembled during covid. The knobs just buckle down and go harder.

By the by, has anyone else been flooded with political emails since being part of the public submission? I _knew_ I was doing the wrong thing by using my actual legitimate email address ... should have used a burner - but I actually thought it might be all legitimate and proper ... should have known better.

[moopere]

Heres the preliminary results of the legislative council vote.

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The firearms legislation is already passed, so theres no going back on that now. The future prospects for bad legislation looks grim though:

Given Labour + Greens = 19 seats

Libs + Nats = 12 ...

One Nation will possibly side with the conservatives for most things, maybe the Australian Christians as well. Legalise Cannabis I know nothing about - I'm going to guess they are probably left leaning given their platform.

Best possible case though, including ON and LC = 15 seats versus Labor + GRN @ 19.

So ... massive win in the lower house and a comfortable majority in the upper ... they know they can continue to do as they please to all of us - not only relating to firearms legislation.

[geoff]

Anyone who thought this election would have been anything useful for shooters should have paid more attention in math class

There's sub 100k lafo's spread across the entire state. Entirely statistically impronable to get a lower house seat in any district, even if you 5x that in a magical hypothetical fairy land where every shooter talks all their family into voting SFFP as well. I didn't even have an SFFP candidate for lower house in my district.

The greens got more votes in the upper house than there are lafo's

Face it - shooters are a political irrelevance. We all live in an echo chamber because we shoot and people we hang out with shoot as well, but the wider population couldn't give two hoots and you've all spent the last few months coping and seething thinking this election was gonna save the day and it never was.

You can't vote your way into freedom, gang. The coalition were never on your side anyway.

At least we have a more diverse upper house this season. But that's about it, and that's too late for us at this point. There was no viable opposition option to form government. The liberals are absolutely off reservation and it's clear that they suck - nobody has voted for them three elections on the hop. There simply is no opposition party in WA - that's not Labor's fault.

[alexjones]

Anyone who thought this election would have been anything useful for shooters should have paid more attention in math class

There's sub 100k lafo's spread across the entire state. Entirely statistically impronable to get a lower house seat in any district, even if you 5x that in a magical hypothetical fairy land where every shooter talks all their family into voting SFFP as well. I didn't even have an SFFP candidate for lower house in my district.

The greens got more votes in the upper house than there are lafo's

Face it - shooters are a political irrelevance. We all live in an echo chamber because we shoot and people we hang out with shoot as well, but the wider population couldn't give two hoots and you've all spent the last few months coping and seething thinking this election was gonna save the day and it never was.

You can't vote your way into freedom, gang. The coalition were never on your side anyway.

At least we have a more diverse upper house this season. But that's about it, and that's too late for us at this point. There was no viable opposition option to form government. The liberals are absolutely off reservation and it's clear that they suck - nobody has voted for them three elections on the hop. There simply is no opposition party in WA - that's not Labor's fault.

Mate you make a good point about echo chambers. I never thought about that. That is true. I do not associate with commies in any capacity, so yes you are probably right that this skews peoples perception of reality. I would assume most other people here would not associate with commies either.

There is just under 1.9 million voters in WA. I still think that 90k gun owners (most would be over 18 not on a junior licence) can get several family member each to vote in unison could be a voting block in the 3-500k people which would be 15%-25% of votes. It would be enough to win several electorates and be a powerful voting block. This only works if people put freedom as the number 1 priority in their life and be single issue voters.