WA Firearm Law Reforms - Monday 16 October announcement

[on_one_wheel]

No doubt they'll look to reshuffle and bring in some genuine talent after this disaster.

It'll be interesting to see how WA votes in the federal election.

[alexjones]

FFS ! are people in WA really stupid enough to vote for more labor socialism . i'm just glad i was born in '69 and got to live through a age when this country was special and a hell of a lot less restrictive

So many once former patriots have mentally checked out of this country mate. Just extract whatever resources you can from it and try to provide your kin with a good life because this country is a hell hole. It is not the country people grew up in and loved.

i don't think of oz as a "hell hole" just yet , there's numerous more dangerous corrupt places than here . i'm still a old school patriot , holding the australian values i saw as a kid growing up in the 70's close to my heart . i'm trying to do what i can politically , and educate folks on hunting/pest control and the lives of people in the regions that i meet . and the creep of government control and over reach . uphill battle, but i try . i'm also trying to live my best life , while we're still allowed to

Yes look sorry I am being a little hyperbolic but you know as well as I do that Australia really was the best country in the world at one point. That's not just me saying that because I was born here it is me saying it because it is fact. It is just hard to accept that what we once lived as good and normal is being corrupted and bad.

Like when the Visigoths sacked Rome in 410 after many years of social decay we are living a near copy repeat.

[mchughcb]

I remember a life before Indian telemarketing scammers.

[moopere]

To all the gun owners of WA who did not go to the rally with your family which could of made a crowd in the hundreds of thousands of people. You must be happy that labor won because your inaction shows the rest of the country that you like the new laws which are about to drop.

I understand the sentiment of this comment and don't disagree.

However, when out of control authoritarian socialists are running the show they just ignore the nay sayers. Look at what happened to the public submission to parliament ... just ignored despite being the largest in the states history. A big protest crowd means nothing to these clowns.

Look at the big protests that assembled during covid. The knobs just buckle down and go harder.

By the by, has anyone else been flooded with political emails since being part of the public submission? I _knew_ I was doing the wrong thing by using my actual legitimate email address ... should have used a burner - but I actually thought it might be all legitimate and proper ... should have known better.

[moopere]

Heres the preliminary results of the legislative council vote.

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The firearms legislation is already passed, so theres no going back on that now. The future prospects for bad legislation looks grim though:

Given Labour + Greens = 19 seats

Libs + Nats = 12 ...

One Nation will possibly side with the conservatives for most things, maybe the Australian Christians as well. Legalise Cannabis I know nothing about - I'm going to guess they are probably left leaning given their platform.

Best possible case though, including ON and LC = 15 seats versus Labor + GRN @ 19.

So ... massive win in the lower house and a comfortable majority in the upper ... they know they can continue to do as they please to all of us - not only relating to firearms legislation.

[geoff]

Anyone who thought this election would have been anything useful for shooters should have paid more attention in math class

There's sub 100k lafo's spread across the entire state. Entirely statistically impronable to get a lower house seat in any district, even if you 5x that in a magical hypothetical fairy land where every shooter talks all their family into voting SFFP as well. I didn't even have an SFFP candidate for lower house in my district.

The greens got more votes in the upper house than there are lafo's

Face it - shooters are a political irrelevance. We all live in an echo chamber because we shoot and people we hang out with shoot as well, but the wider population couldn't give two hoots and you've all spent the last few months coping and seething thinking this election was gonna save the day and it never was.

You can't vote your way into freedom, gang. The coalition were never on your side anyway.

At least we have a more diverse upper house this season. But that's about it, and that's too late for us at this point. There was no viable opposition option to form government. The liberals are absolutely off reservation and it's clear that they suck - nobody has voted for them three elections on the hop. There simply is no opposition party in WA - that's not Labor's fault.

[alexjones]

Anyone who thought this election would have been anything useful for shooters should have paid more attention in math class

There's sub 100k lafo's spread across the entire state. Entirely statistically impronable to get a lower house seat in any district, even if you 5x that in a magical hypothetical fairy land where every shooter talks all their family into voting SFFP as well. I didn't even have an SFFP candidate for lower house in my district.

The greens got more votes in the upper house than there are lafo's

Face it - shooters are a political irrelevance. We all live in an echo chamber because we shoot and people we hang out with shoot as well, but the wider population couldn't give two hoots and you've all spent the last few months coping and seething thinking this election was gonna save the day and it never was.

You can't vote your way into freedom, gang. The coalition were never on your side anyway.

At least we have a more diverse upper house this season. But that's about it, and that's too late for us at this point. There was no viable opposition option to form government. The liberals are absolutely off reservation and it's clear that they suck - nobody has voted for them three elections on the hop. There simply is no opposition party in WA - that's not Labor's fault.

Mate you make a good point about echo chambers. I never thought about that. That is true. I do not associate with commies in any capacity, so yes you are probably right that this skews peoples perception of reality. I would assume most other people here would not associate with commies either.

There is just under 1.9 million voters in WA. I still think that 90k gun owners (most would be over 18 not on a junior licence) can get several family member each to vote in unison could be a voting block in the 3-500k people which would be 15%-25% of votes. It would be enough to win several electorates and be a powerful voting block. This only works if people put freedom as the number 1 priority in their life and be single issue voters.

[geoff]

It's important to consider our biases when we talk about how people should or shouldn't vote. The Echo chambers we live in contribute to that, but so does shooting being a single issue for a lot of people.

I can't see too many LGBT or disabled shooters being keen to vote overly conservative any time soon. One Nation are hardly aiming for the immigrant vote! Some people can't pay their rent, can't buy food, can't see a dentist......and we're out here seriously expecting them to go to bat for our hobby when they vote? What's that about?

Firearms simply aren't priority #1 for every single licence holder. I use my firearms to earn money, it's a past time that is dear to my heart and I cannot wait to pass onto my daughter. I will cling to shooting as hard and as tight as I can, and bring as many people into the sport as I can manage. But it is simply deranged to think that it is top of the ballot paper for all 90k+ firearms owners. That's a shame, but it's reality. We don't live in the USA.

Some people on these forums live entirely on another planet about how the rest of their fellow aussies live

Edit: just so that people might come back down to earth a bit.....it would take north of 10,000 first preference votes for a Shooters candidate to win a single seat in a single district of the Lower House. There's like 90something thousand of us across the entire state which comprises 59 lower house seats! What sort of campaign do you think SFFP or similar would seriously have to mount to get that kind of vote? Basil Zempilas is one of the most recognisable people in WA in what should have been a blue ribbon seat.....he's barely scraped through with ~10,300 first preference votes last I checked.

[mchughcb]

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Some people on these forums live entirely on another planet about how the rest of their fellow aussies live

Interesting

[Wapiti]

It's important to consider our biases when we talk about how people should or shouldn't vote. The Echo chambers we live in contribute to that, but so does shooting being a single issue for a lot of people.

I can't see too many LGBT or disabled shooters being keen to vote overly conservative any time soon. One Nation are hardly aiming for the immigrant vote! Some people can't pay their rent, can't buy food, can't see a dentist......and we're out here seriously expecting them to go to bat for our hobby when they vote? What's that about?

Firearms simply aren't priority #1 for every single licence holder. I use my firearms to earn money, it's a past time that is dear to my heart and I cannot wait to pass onto my daughter. I will cling to shooting as hard and as tight as I can, and bring as many people into the sport as I can manage. But it is simply deranged to think that it is top of the ballot paper for all 90k+ firearms owners. That's a shame, but it's reality. We don't live in the USA.

Some people on these forums live entirely on another planet about how the rest of their fellow aussies live

Edit: just so that people might come back down to earth a bit.....it would take north of 10,000 first preference votes for a Shooters candidate to win a single seat in a single district of the Lower House. There's like 90something thousand of us across the entire state which comprises 59 lower house seats! What sort of campaign do you think SFFP or similar would seriously have to mount to get that kind of vote? Basil Zempilas is one of the most recognisable people in WA in what should have been a blue ribbon seat.....he's barely scraped through with ~10,300 first preference votes last I checked.

You know what mate, you're dead right. Especially about people not just voting for the single issue ideal. My belief that people could've swept together themselves, family and friends and shown they will not be treated like second class citizens has been smashed. I pretty much made an idiot of myself expecting others are like me and won't take it up the date and just needed some geeing up to get off their bums and show solidarity.

But the cost of living, groceries, (private business) health care, energy, EVERYTHING that's related to this insane renewables lie has nothing to do with people not standing up for themselves on individual issues. Although, yes, again, most people are looking at the big picture here as far as this goes, yet they voted again for the socialist political party that is ruining them. They obviously like that more than giving a go to a complete rabble as opposition.

I am all for everyone standing up and saying they're not happy and telling the world, and will forever be disappointed in the cowardly way so many shooters in WA did not all stand up. And the seemingly castrated duck-and-weave behavior of their supposed "representatives" that hungrily take their money.

And you are spot on, the dilution of shooters, hunters and farmers in WA means a small voting pool that probably wouldn't have tipped the balance. But which successful people in life ever gave up even if there was the slightest chance they'd succeed?

[Ballistix]

It's important to consider our biases when we talk about how people should or shouldn't vote. The Echo chambers we live in contribute to that, but so does shooting being a single issue for a lot of people.

I agree with this. We get the government we deserve.

[mchughcb]

Meh , sometimes we get much worse than we asked for. Number of used guns from WA is ramping up and only a few a dropping their prices. Being stung with an additional $300+ freight isn't going to help them off load either.

[alexjones]

Go to the what's new section on used guns and its so many from WA that say only selling due to the new laws.

I am making low ball offers to them to see how desperate they are, worth a shot to get some cheap guns. In my eyes by selling their guns they are choosing to live in tyrannical WA so they clearly support the laws.

I would of liked to have seen all 90k gun owners seek political refuge in other states by bringing all their wealth out of WA but I doubt it will happen. I would assume they keep on supporting the economy that keeps on molesting them.

[Wapiti]

At first I thought, that's taking advantage... but no it's not really because I've heard for example, that any lever/button release must be sold interstate or surrendered without compensation?
Is this really happening in this country now?

[bladeracer]

At first I thought, that's taking advantage... but no it's not really because I've heard for example, that any lever/button release must be sold interstate or surrendered without compensation?
Is this really happening in this country now?

They had an amnesty last year for people that wanted to get something back from giving up their firearms but that's over now so no more payments, confiscation is next, without recompense.

[alexjones]

Few good 50 AE desert eagles for sale from WA. If you got a collectors licence with modern pistol on you guys should get it.

A desert eagle is classed as a collectable pistol for the purpose of a collector licence due to it being unique. IE a rotating bolt.

[bladeracer]

Few good 50 AE desert eagles for sale from WA. If you got a collectors licence with modern pistol on you guys should get it.

A desert eagle is classed as a collectable pistol for the purpose of a collector licence due to it being unique. IE a rotating bolt.

A mate of mine is a DE fan, we're just discussing these WA pistols

[alexjones]

Few good 50 AE desert eagles for sale from WA. If you got a collectors licence with modern pistol on you guys should get it.

A desert eagle is classed as a collectable pistol for the purpose of a collector licence due to it being unique. IE a rotating bolt.

A mate of mine is a DE fan, we're just discussing these WA pistols

Yeah mate they are cool. I have a 357 and a 44. They are fussy with what ammo they cycle. Because the bolt is so heavy they need hot loads.

[bladeracer]

Few good 50 AE desert eagles for sale from WA. If you got a collectors licence with modern pistol on you guys should get it.

A desert eagle is classed as a collectable pistol for the purpose of a collector licence due to it being unique. IE a rotating bolt.

A mate of mine is a DE fan, we're just discussing these WA pistols

Yeah mate they are cool. I have a 357 and a 44. They are fussy with what ammo they cycle. Because the bolt is so heavy they need hot loads.

One of the guys here had one and reckons he got it to run at .38 Special levels.

[Coxy383]

Go to the what's new section on used guns and its so many from WA that say only selling due to the new laws.

I am making low ball offers to them to see how desperate they are, worth a shot to get some cheap guns. In my eyes by selling their guns they are choosing to live in tyrannical WA so they clearly support the laws.

I would of liked to have seen all 90k gun owners seek political refuge in other states by bringing all their wealth out of WA but I doubt it will happen. I would assume they keep on supporting the economy that keeps on molesting them.

Just got a stroger unfired straight pull tactical shotgun for 400$ postage was 300$. The postage is killing these blokes getting any money back

[alexjones]

Go to the what's new section on used guns and its so many from WA that say only selling due to the new laws.

I am making low ball offers to them to see how desperate they are, worth a shot to get some cheap guns. In my eyes by selling their guns they are choosing to live in tyrannical WA so they clearly support the laws.

I would of liked to have seen all 90k gun owners seek political refuge in other states by bringing all their wealth out of WA but I doubt it will happen. I would assume they keep on supporting the economy that keeps on molesting them.

Just got a stroger unfired straight pull tactical shotgun for 400$ postage was 300$. The postage is killing these blokes getting any money back

Nice man. That is a good price. Yeah shipping from WA is crazy man.

[Coxy383]

Go to the what's new section on used guns and its so many from WA that say only selling due to the new laws.

I am making low ball offers to them to see how desperate they are, worth a shot to get some cheap guns. In my eyes by selling their guns they are choosing to live in tyrannical WA so they clearly support the laws.

I would of liked to have seen all 90k gun owners seek political refuge in other states by bringing all their wealth out of WA but I doubt it will happen. I would assume they keep on supporting the economy that keeps on molesting them.

Just got a stroger unfired straight pull tactical shotgun for 400$ postage was 300$. The postage is killing these blokes getting any money back

Nice man. That is a good price. Yeah shipping from WA is crazy man.

Wonder if the government put the screws into Aus post so less got sold as I can send one over there for $85.

[Oldbloke]

Go to the what's new section on used guns and its so many from WA that say only selling due to the new laws.

I am making low ball offers to them to see how desperate they are, worth a shot to get some cheap guns. In my eyes by selling their guns they are choosing to live in tyrannical WA so they clearly support the laws.

I would of liked to have seen all 90k gun owners seek political refuge in other states by bringing all their wealth out of WA but I doubt it will happen. I would assume they keep on supporting the economy that keeps on molesting them.

That's a very narrow minded and unfair view point IMHO.

All their family may live in WA
They may not have voted for ALP
They may own a home.
May have a large mortgage
Could be a member of several clubs or SFFP
Locked into a work contract.
Cost of moving interstate is high.

Firearms are not the only thing in life mate.

[Wapiti]

Go to the what's new section on used guns and its so many from WA that say only selling due to the new laws.

I am making low ball offers to them to see how desperate they are, worth a shot to get some cheap guns. In my eyes by selling their guns they are choosing to live in tyrannical WA so they clearly support the laws.

I would of liked to have seen all 90k gun owners seek political refuge in other states by bringing all their wealth out of WA but I doubt it will happen. I would assume they keep on supporting the economy that keeps on molesting them.

That's a very narrow minded and unfair view point IMHO.

All their family may live in WA
They may not have voted for ALP
They may own a home.
May have a large mortgage
Could be a member of several clubs or SFFP
Locked into a work contract.
Cost of moving interstate is high.

Firearms are not the only thing in life mate.

Respectfully, some people LIVE to go hunting, collect their own meat, have a certain lifestyle. If someone wants to specifically follow a certain past-time bad enough without being f***ed with continuously by the lowest forms of human life, the narcissists, then they can do something about it.
That is, engineer their lives in a place where they're not treated like stray dogs.
Yeah, people aren't always going to live their life politically around " single issues" but it sure doesn't look like WA is anything but a place I want to live and run a breeding enterprise let alone hunt. Lies and fantasies from people who live in cities sucking up McDonalds and Diabetes-beer on the taxpayer about made up serpents have more say than the bloke who's farm has been in his family for generations.

We had a big block in southern Tasmania until recently, on the Huon River, but issues with the kind of germs that took a dislike to me setting up a deer breeding enterprise, amongst other things like restrictions to the firearms classes I enjoy, in fact benefit from, caused us to sell it and continue in a state where I'm not being meddled with by human trash.
Which is why I'll fight anything that changes where I am now, including court if need be.

Lay down and take it up the butt attitudes do not sit with me.
Maybe one day, when your little free hunting episodes are taken from you, you'll get it.

[bigrich]

Go to the what's new section on used guns and its so many from WA that say only selling due to the new laws.

I am making low ball offers to them to see how desperate they are, worth a shot to get some cheap guns. In my eyes by selling their guns they are choosing to live in tyrannical WA so they clearly support the laws.

I would of liked to have seen all 90k gun owners seek political refuge in other states by bringing all their wealth out of WA but I doubt it will happen. I would assume they keep on supporting the economy that keeps on molesting them.

That's a very narrow minded and unfair view point IMHO.

All their family may live in WA
They may not have voted for ALP
They may own a home.
May have a large mortgage
Could be a member of several clubs or SFFP
Locked into a work contract.
Cost of moving interstate is high.

Firearms are not the only thing in life mate.

Respectfully, some people LIVE to go hunting, collect their own meat, have a certain lifestyle. If someone wants to specifically follow a certain past-time bad enough without being f***ed with continuously by the lowest forms of human life, the narcissists, then they can do something about it.
That is, engineer their lives in a place where they're not treated like stray dogs.
Yeah, people aren't always going to live their life politically around " single issues" but it sure doesn't look like WA is anything but a place I want to live and run a breeding enterprise let alone hunt. Lies and fantasies from people who live in cities sucking up McDonalds and Diabetes-beer on the taxpayer about made up serpents have more say than the bloke who's farm has been in his family for generations.

We had a big block in southern Tasmania until recently, on the Huon River, but issues with the kind of germs that took a dislike to me setting up a deer breeding enterprise, amongst other things like restrictions to the firearms classes I enjoy, in fact benefit from, caused us to sell it and continue in a state where I'm not being meddled with by human trash.
Which is why I'll fight anything that changes where I am now, including court if need be.

Lay down and take it up the butt attitudes do not sit with me.
Maybe one day, when your little free hunting episodes are taken from you, you'll get it.

agree

[alexjones]

Yes oldbloke firearms are not the only thing in life mate. However, just constant complying and bending over without pushing back sets a bad example to our children and grandchildren that giving into political rape is acceptable?

What kind of example would one be setting to their sons or daughters that complying with tyrannical overreach without ever pushing back is acceptable?

You may, or may not want your children or grandchildren to have a subservient personality but I can assure you that I don't want that for my kin.

When people start prioritising personal freedom as the single biggest issue in their life all other issues will drastically subside. Because once you have freedom set in stone every other issue is easier to manage.

Enjoy your incoming machette ban in Victoria.

[bigrich]

Yes oldbloke firearms are not the only thing in life mate. However, just constant complying and bending over without pushing back sets a bad example to our children and grandchildren that giving into political rape is acceptable?

What kind of example would one be setting to their sons or daughters that complying with tyrannical overreach without ever pushing back is acceptable?

You may, or may not want your children or grandchildren to have a subservient personality but I can assure you that I don't want that for my kin.

When people start prioritising personal freedom as the single biggest issue in their life all other issues will drastically subside. Because once you have freedom set in stone every other issue is easier to manage.

Enjoy your incoming machette ban in Victoria.

yeah , what a joke . ban matchette's , then carving knives , then tomahawks ...... i've got a elderly uncle up at Niram, north of Melbourne. lives in the country on a 5 acre lifestyle block . says to me "yeah good, cause i don't need a matchette ....". such is the mentality . yes , he's a labor voter who reckon's the country is too right wing and covid lockdowns were justified
. FFS i've gotta bite my tongue at times , and no amount of facts will change his opinion . so glad i live in QLD

[Coxy383]

Yes oldbloke firearms are not the only thing in life mate. However, just constant complying and bending over without pushing back sets a bad example to our children and grandchildren that giving into political rape is acceptable?

What kind of example would one be setting to their sons or daughters that complying with tyrannical overreach without ever pushing back is acceptable?

You may, or may not want your children or grandchildren to have a subservient personality but I can assure you that I don't want that for my kin.

When people start prioritising personal freedom as the single biggest issue in their life all other issues will drastically subside. Because once you have freedom set in stone every other issue is easier to manage.

Enjoy your incoming machette ban in Victoria.

When the police are at your door and your wife and 3 kids are there and you have two choices. Arrested and prison where you now have lost your job and your wife and kids can't pay the mortgage so are now homeless. Or hand over that gun or machete. It's not a choice and they know it. And anyone saying that they won't comply in that situation is straight out full of s**t .

[mchughcb]

Yes oldbloke firearms are not the only thing in life mate. However, just constant complying and bending over without pushing back sets a bad example to our children and grandchildren that giving into political rape is acceptable?

What kind of example would one be setting to their sons or daughters that complying with tyrannical overreach without ever pushing back is acceptable?

You may, or may not want your children or grandchildren to have a subservient personality but I can assure you that I don't want that for my kin.

When people start prioritising personal freedom as the single biggest issue in their life all other issues will drastically subside. Because once you have freedom set in stone every other issue is easier to manage.

Enjoy your incoming machette ban in Victoria.

yeah , what a joke . ban matchette's , then carving knives , then tomahawks ...... i've got a elderly uncle up at Niram, north of Melbourne. lives in the country on a 5 acre lifestyle block . says to me "yeah good, cause i don't need a matchette ....". such is the mentality . yes , he's a labor voter who reckon's the country is too right wing and covid lockdowns were justified
. FFS i've gotta bite my tongue at times , and no amount of facts will change his opinion . so glad i live in QLD

Country is too right wing? He's eating the wrong mushrooms.

[alexjones]

Yes oldbloke firearms are not the only thing in life mate. However, just constant complying and bending over without pushing back sets a bad example to our children and grandchildren that giving into political rape is acceptable?

What kind of example would one be setting to their sons or daughters that complying with tyrannical overreach without ever pushing back is acceptable?

You may, or may not want your children or grandchildren to have a subservient personality but I can assure you that I don't want that for my kin.

When people start prioritising personal freedom as the single biggest issue in their life all other issues will drastically subside. Because once you have freedom set in stone every other issue is easier to manage.

Enjoy your incoming machette ban in Victoria.

When the police are at your door and your wife and 3 kids are there and you have two choices. Arrested and prison where you now have lost your job and your wife and kids can't pay the mortgage so are now homeless. Or hand over that gun or machete. It's not a choice and they know it. And anyone saying that they won't comply in that situation is straight out full of s**t .

I am NOT condoning any form of ilegal activity. I am suggesting moving to a community and only partaking in a economy that does not molest you.

It is not ilegal to take you guns and money out of WA.