Oil filter adapter.

[NukeBOMB88]

Gday guys. I was on eBay looking for a thread adapter for my .22 from 1/2x20 - 1/2x28 and I saw an adapter that let you put an oil filter on the end of your barrel, supposedly for the purpose of trapping solvent. But I remember seeing a video where a guy shot a hole through the end of one of those and it made a rather effective suppressor. So anyway , I wanted to ask:

Is it legal to own on of these adapters in Australia, or even one with the oil filter on the end, as long as you don't shoot a hole through the end and use it as a suppressor?

Thanks, Henry.

[Apollo]

You will find out the hard way if you get caught with it fitted.

[Oldbloke]

You will find out the hard way if you get caught with it fitted.

+1

[tom604]

cheaper if you use a plastic bottle as your solvent trap,just saying

[YoungBuck]

Those in charge of the nanny state probably won't give you a straight answer regarding it. Their preference is to keep everything as vague as possible so they can twist the rules and slam you with it if they desire.

Those in the US seem to have it pretty clear cut about exactly what's legal and whats not regarding solvent trap vs suppressor.
I don't know the legalities of the adapters or use of it in conjunction as solvent trap here in Aus but I'd wager if mr plod found it on your person/car/home the swat team would be called in to deal with the 'highly illegal assassin style terrorism silencer' and you'd be looking a loss of firearms/license and hefty fines at best...or stint in jail at worse. It's pretty sad.

[AusTac]

Is a tin can worth risking your firearms license over?

[NukeBOMB88]

Guys I'm not saying I'm gonna do it, I was just wondering how far our 'free' nation has slipped toward being a full blown authoritarian dictatorship aye

[NukeBOMB88]

My point is, how soon until we have no freedom at all if you aren't even able to own a thread adapter, a perfectly common item. This nation is not headed for anything good the way it's going

[tom604]

you can get your 22 threaded for a flash suppressor, just saying

[NukeBOMB88]

you can get your 22 threaded for a flash suppressor, just saying

Good point

[AusTac]

If its fun its illegal

[GLS_1956]

As I understand it, here in the USA that "Adaptor" is considered the "Class 3" weapon.

[Tank]

We had a local guy have Customs and Excise officers crawl up his backside with a microscope after he purchased a 'solvent trap' on line.....
I'd reckon he'd tell you to leave them well alone.
Regs,
Tank.

[NukeBOMB88]

As I understand it, here in the USA that "Adaptor" is considered the "Class 3" weapon.

That's ridiculous

[Tank]

My point is, how soon until we have no freedom at all if you aren't even able to own a thread adapter, a perfectly common item. This nation is not headed for anything good the way it's going

You really feel that way because you can't buy a 'solvent trap adaptor'?
Instead of the 'Woe is us' rhetoric why aren't we pushing the use of suppressors because they make sense?
Greater personal safety, less public impact....put forward the same arguments as in the UK and NZ.
We've got work to do before pushing this barrow.....but enough of the 'the country is doomed' bs.
Tank.

[Tank]

As I understand it, here in the USA that "Adaptor" is considered the "Class 3" weapon.

That's ridiculous

Yeah....if that's the case?

[Oldbloke]

Although I agree that it would be great to be able to have a noise suppressr, I think they are over rated for a 22RF Subsonic ammo is pretty quiet without a supressor.

[NukeBOMB88]

My point is, how soon until we have no freedom at all if you aren't even able to own a thread adapter, a perfectly common item. This nation is not headed for anything good the way it's going

You really feel that way because you can't buy a 'solvent trap adaptor'?
Instead of the 'Woe is us' rhetoric why aren't we pushing the use of suppressors because they make sense?
Greater personal safety, less public impact....put forward the same arguments as in the UK and NZ.
We've got work to do before pushing this barrow.....but enough of the 'the country is doomed' bs.
Tank.

Yeah well complaining gets me no less than not complaining becuause there's nothing I can do to even affect the fact that it is illegal to be safe

[Tank]

My point is, how soon until we have no freedom at all if you aren't even able to own a thread adapter, a perfectly common item. This nation is not headed for anything good the way it's going

You really feel that way because you can't buy a 'solvent trap adaptor'?
Instead of the 'Woe is us' rhetoric why aren't we pushing the use of suppressors because they make sense?
Greater personal safety, less public impact....put forward the same arguments as in the UK and NZ.
We've got work to do before pushing this barrow.....but enough of the 'the country is doomed' bs.
Tank.

Yeah well complaining gets me no less than not complaining becuause there's nothing I can do to even affect the fact that it is illegal to be safe

There's more you can do.....
Get involved. Through clubs, through SSAA, through the Shooters Union.
We all know the law is an ass.....but by closing ranks and growing our sport we can gain greater strength and lobby with greater weight.
It's no easy push.
As shooters we've got to be prepared for the long haul.....but we're used that.

Tank.

[NukeBOMB88]

My point is, how soon until we have no freedom at all if you aren't even able to own a thread adapter, a perfectly common item. This nation is not headed for anything good the way it's going

You really feel that way because you can't buy a 'solvent trap adaptor'?
Instead of the 'Woe is us' rhetoric why aren't we pushing the use of suppressors because they make sense?
Greater personal safety, less public impact....put forward the same arguments as in the UK and NZ.
We've got work to do before pushing this barrow.....but enough of the 'the country is doomed' bs.
Tank.

Yeah well complaining gets me no less than not complaining becuause there's nothing I can do to even affect the fact that it is illegal to be safe

There's more you can do.....
Get involved. Through clubs, through SSAA, through the Shooters Union.
We all know the law is an ass.....but by closing ranks and growing our sport we can gain greater strength and lobby with greater weight.
It's no easy push.
As shooters we've got to be prepared for the long haul.....but we're used that.

Tank.

Yeah that's true, I've done all that and more but it hasn't made a difference... Yet

[bigfellascott]

Another reason not to bother cleaning ya 22

[pete1]

'silencer' means any instrument or thing by means of which the sound caused by the discharge of a firearm is rendered less audible, whether the instrument or thing forms part of the firearm or is or can be affixed or attached to the firearm;

FIREARMS ACT 1996 - SECT 3 http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/ ... l#silencer

Here is some more.

Permits to possess, carry or use silencers or prescribed items
(1) A non-prohibited person must not possess, carry or use a—

(a) silencer; or

(b) prescribed item—

unless that person does so under and in accordance with a permit issued under this section.

Penalty: 120 penalty units or 2 years imprisonment.

FIREARMS ACT 1996 - SECT 134
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/ ... 2/s57.html



Legally I'd say a adapter is fine its and a oil filter separate is fine but when you use the oil filter with the intention of making it less audible is the problem.
2 years is a long time what a joke.

[trekin]

Permits to possess, carry or use silencers or prescribed items
(1) A non-prohibited person must not possess, carry or use a—

(a) silencer; or

(b) prescribed item—

unless that person does so under and in accordance with a permit issued under this section.

Penalty: 120 penalty units or 2 years imprisonment.

FIREARMS ACT 1996 - SECT 134
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/ ... 2/s57.html

Easy fix, become a prohibited person (criminal), then you won't be braking the law.

[Oldbloke]

'silencer' means any instrument or thing by means of which the sound caused by the discharge of a firearm is rendered less audible, whether the instrument or thing forms part of the firearm or is or can be affixed or attached to the firearm;

FIREARMS ACT 1996 - SECT 3 http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/ ... l#silencer

Here is some more.

Permits to possess, carry or use silencers or prescribed items
(1) A non-prohibited person must not possess, carry or use a—

(a) silencer; or

(b) prescribed item—

unless that person does so under and in accordance with a permit issued under this section.

Penalty: 120 penalty units or 2 years imprisonment.

FIREARMS ACT 1996 - SECT 134
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/ ... 2/s57.html



Legally I'd say a adapter is fine its and a oil filter separate is fine but when you use the oil filter with the intention of making it less audible is the problem.
2 years is a long time what a joke.

I think pete is spot on.

[wanneroo]

Here in the states the guys selling them at gun shows always look like BATFE agents in disguise.

Technically you can own one, but they have this thing called constructive possession. If you own that and other materials that can be used to make a suppressor they can nail you on that, although the legal cases where that has happened are few and far between. If they were executing a search warrant at your home and found one of these and an oil filter they could concoct the constructive possession charge.

Here in the states if one wanted they could file a NFA Form 1 with the BATFE to make a suppressor, pay the $200 tax stamp and once approved then acquire the adapter and a filter and make such a suppressor. However it's pointless as yes they work, but the oil filter element will only hold up for so long and there are much better products out there.

It's information that is nice to know in the realm of societal breakdown or national emergency but otherwise it's best not to mess with.

[happyhunter]

Here in the states the guys selling them at gun shows always look like BATFE agents in disguise

Are they that easy to spot

[wanneroo]

Here in the states the guys selling them at gun shows always look like BATFE agents in disguise

Are they that easy to spot

Oh yeah, like a sore bloody thumb. At a lot of the bigger gun shows the BATFE also sets up a table and is staffed with an agent or two.

[happyhunter]

Here in the states the guys selling them at gun shows always look like BATFE agents in disguise

Are they that easy to spot

Oh yeah, like a sore bloody thumb. At a lot of the bigger gun shows the BATFE also sets up a table and is staffed with an agent or two.

I've heard that there have been shows where there were more agents than genuine public. In the 90s there was a bloke selling books that were not illegal but the government didn't like the content. This bloke had formally worked for the government himself (he was a military scientist) and knew their tricks and he wrote a lot on how to spot agents at gun shows.

[Gun-nut]

Just buy it...not like your gonna use it and no one's gonna know...right?

[wanneroo]

The BATFE is after the solvent trap sellers here in the USA:

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016 ... silencers/