Suppressors - The Age 26/09/16

[Squiddy]

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/melbourne-criminals-increasingly-seek-to-cover-their-tracks-with-gun-silencers-20160925-gro237.html

Ah yeah, there goes any chance of Suppressors happening. Apparently a multitude of Jason Bourne style killings will follow suit.

[wade06]

If suppressors did come back in it would only take 1 murder with a suppressor and they would be gone again...

That said, an increase in silencers from 4 ten years ago to 38 so far in 2016 is pretty substantial....
The problem is that it's pretty easy to get 4 parts from the US and build your own.

Might stock up on CCI Quiet 22 ammo before it gets banned also....

[happyhunter]

Home made guns, home made suppressors. Nothing new there.

[<<Genesis93>>]

But the text of this anti-gun hysteria 'story' is taking it to a new level....

-WHAT is a suppressor as far as the police are concened??

No gun was recovered, but the slim metal tube was cause for concern for law enforcement agencies

Are they describing the appearance, or the actual object?? are they confiscating "thin metal tubes"?? If so I hope they don't catch on to bunnings.... theyre distributing silencers all round the suburbs...

and this;

Its express purpose is to allow a gunman to maim or kill as quietly as possible.

It's impossible to know how many involved the use of silencers.

If only we could restrict and control them....

When three bullets were fired into the Ascot Vale home of sports scientist Stephen Dank in July, neighbours said they did not see or hear anything.

wasnt that an auto / semi-auto, AK or SK???

then:

Victoria Police's armed crime taskforce, which investigates non-fatal shootings, says it has not seen any discernable rise in the use of silencers.

crime scene photo of "makeshift weapons factory" pumping out literally hundreds of suppressors;
Marky Mark told me

[<<Genesis93>>]

Melbourne criminals increasingly seek to cover their tracks with gun silencers

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/melbo ... ro237.html


The police raid found eight kilograms of drugs in a car, a box of ammunition in a closet, and a silencer stashed in the fridge.

No gun was recovered, but the slim metal tube was cause for concern for law enforcement agencies.

Usually associated with assassins or secret agents in Hollywood movies, silencers have become an increasingly popular tool in Melbourne's underworld.

A decade ago, police reported discovering four silencers a year in the hands of known criminals. But the number of seizures has surged to 38 sor far in 2016, according to new data from the Crime Statistics Agency.

The sharp increase has prompted warnings from Victoria's judiciary.

"There could be no conceivable explanation for the possession of a silencer other than as part of a particularly sinister criminal enterprise," the Court of Appeal said in a judgement handed down in April this year.

A silencer, or suppressor, is designed to dampen the explosive sound made by a bullet as it leaves the barrel of a gun. Its express purpose is to allow a gunman to maim or kill as quietly as possible.

The alleged drug gang recently found in possession of a silencer has been locked in a bloody battle with rivals for several months, a feud linked to a spate of drive-by and ambush-style shootings around Melbourne in 2015.

Run by a feared western suburbs crime figure, the gang is believed to be responsible for at least two murders.

Shootings have become a routine occurrence, with more than 100 incidents recorded since January last year.

It's impossible to know how many involved the use of silencers.

But in some attacks – including one gangland-style execution in a suburban street – nearby residents were unaware shots had been fired until police arrived.

When three bullets were fired into the Ascot Vale home of sports scientist Stephen Dank in July, neighbours said they did not see or hear anything.

"We have got dogs that would go off at the slightest noise. They didn't go off last night, so whatever happened was pretty quiet," said a neighbour called Dean, who declined to give his surname.

Matched with a low-calibre handgun and special subsonic ammunition, a silencer can reduce the deafening sound of a gunshot to little more than the click of the gun's mechanism.

"It's incredibly quiet – you wouldn't even know," a firearms expert said.

Victoria Police's armed crime taskforce, which investigates non-fatal shootings, says it has not seen any discernable rise in the use of silencers.

"A number of our victims are uncooperative with police, but many report hearing a gunshot at the time of the incident," Inspector Stephen Clark said.

But the devices have continued to be found in the possession of drug dealers, bikies, armed robbers and standover men over the past two years.

More than 230 silencer-related offences have been recorded since 2011, which is when gun-related crimes began to rise steeply in Melbourne.

Manufacturing the devices has also become an underworld cottage industry, amplified by the widespread availability of technical manuals and instructional videos on the internet.

Amazon sells print copies of the The Silencer Cookbook for $10. There are downloadable versions of Home Workshop Silencers – "for reference and historical purposes only" – available on Kindle for $14.

In August, a raid by the anti-bikie Echo taskforce allegedly uncovered a makeshift weapons factory hidden inside a Derrimut warehouse, including gun schematics and a copy of The Silencer Cookbook.

Police say many of the silencers that are recovered are homemade.

Their proliferation comes despite stiff penalties. A known criminal caught with a silencer faces up to eight years imprisonment simply for possessing it.

The potential jail term was doubled in 2003 in the midst of Melbourne's Underbelly War that claimed more than 30 lives.

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[Harper]

Matched with a low-calibre handgun and special subsonic ammunition, a silencer can reduce the deafening sound of a gunshot to little more than the click of the gun's mechanism.

From deafening to the click of a mechanism, is it?

Is this from the same people that brought us the bolt action savage that was "some kind of automatic"

[Squiddy]

Errr - How come New Zealand doesn't have mass murders everyday with suppressors used in each killing? Or in the UK & Scandinavian countries where they're legal too? Scare-monger much?

Must be a slow news day when they have to recycle the "gun" debate. My feeling is they're just waiting for another misstep in the CFA saga and they need page filler until then.

[<<Genesis93>>]

Matched with a low-calibre handgun and special subsonic ammunition, a silencer can reduce the deafening sound of a gunshot to little more than the click of the gun's mechanism.

From deafening to the click of a mechanism, is it?

Is this from the same people that brought us the bolt action savage that was "some kind of automatic"

Yes. If Steve 'Hanna' Fontana was involved

[Cryptic]

Way it is worded makes it appear a propaganda peice to counter every argument put forth for the allowance.
Probably was none found at all but media has been told by the government quick they are gaining credibility knock up a story to put them in the never basket in the public eyes.

[mulletjocks]

The police raid found eight kilograms of drugs in a car, a box of ammunition in a closet, and a silencer stashed in the fridge.

So they were criminals. Alledgedly...

"There could be no conceivable explanation for the possession of a silencer other than as part of a particularly sinister criminal enterprise," the Court of Appeal said in a judgement handed down in April this year.

Absolute toss. How about workplace safety for professional shooters, range officers and the everyday shooter who cares about his ears.

Its express purpose is to allow a gunman to maim or kill as quietly as possible.

Another lie that casual google search would have sorted out for this poor delluded journalist.

But the devices have continued to be found in the possession of drug dealers, bikies, armed robbers and standover men....

So. License silencers to law abiding sporting shooters, collecting revenue for better policing in the process, and treat criminals to stiffer penalties for their disregard for firearm law.

[wanneroo]

What a stupid misinformed article and I like how it starts out stupid with mentioning silencers as the tools of "hollywood" assassins and special agents. Hollywood isn't real world folks. It sad to watch these idiots on Australian TV like that dummy Kochie or the dummies on The Project, their entire knowledge about firearms comes from watching movies and almost everything you see in Hollywood films about firearms is false or inaccurate.

Really these just suppress noise they don't silence it. In most cases you are cutting down the noise to around 125-135 db. Still loud enough I wear hearing protection. I have fired quite a few different suppressed weapons, full auto H&K MP5 in 9mm, full auto 300 Blackout AR-15, a bolt action Rem 700, a few 9mm and 45 ACP pistols, etc. I would say it changes the sound signature that people would relate to a gunshot somewhat, so in a louder urban environment with urbanites with their head up their bums, people might mistake it as some other typical urban racket, but again these simply do not eliminate the noise.

More fear mongering by the press and the Victoria Police and another example why gun control does not work. Criminals will manufacturer what they want.

[Bigjobss]

Basically "Melbourne criminals do illegal s**t" the article.
Ummm ok thanks for the reminder?

[deadkitty]

More anti-gun hysteria...... so where's the counter argument(s), perhaps shooters might like to point out that suppressors are MANDATORY for O.H&S reasons in many countries like the UK and others in Europe?. Perhaps word or frame the counter argument as "consideration for neighbors' , I would love a suppressor for the latter reason and hope that one day Australia will follow the UK's lead, of course this won't be happening until the current "us and them" mentality is replaced with, as I keep on saying , sensible and reasoned debate. I spend an inordinate amout of time trying to educate " greenies" on both fishing and shooting issues as well as dispelling myths about what a greenie actually is..... go on, I know you can't wait....

[Gwion]

The question is, how to get a mainstream platform for voice such sensible counter arguments???

[deadkitty]

Gwion Maybe write a letter to the editor in your local rag?.....keep it civil, don't attack anyone and quietly state your case.... you'd be surprised at how it can galvanise public support, which thern gets the attention of the mainstream majors........ I've done this before.... when many people do it, it's irresistable to the TV channels as a "human interest " or public interest story. ME? no way, I'm a bloody greenie! lol

[happyhunter]

More anti-gun hysteria...... so where's the counter argument(s), perhaps shooters might like to point out that suppressors are MANDATORY for O.H&S reasons in many countries like the UK and others in Europe?. Perhaps word or frame the counter argument as "consideration for neighbors' , I would love a suppressor for the latter reason and hope that one day Australia will follow the UK's lead, of course this won't be happening until the current "us and them" mentality is replaced with, as I keep on saying , sensible and reasoned debate. I spend an inordinate amout of time trying to educate " greenies" on both fishing and shooting issues as well as dispelling myths about what a greenie actually is..... go on, I know you can't wait....

Counter arguments? There is well established research you can look up online that shows that once a person's mind is made up on an issue that all the logical discussion in the world won't convince them them to change their mind.

[wanneroo]

The question is, how to get a mainstream platform for voice such sensible counter arguments???

The mainstream media is tightly controlled by a few people/corporations and in the case of ABC, government bureaucrats, so that's a hard place to infiltrate. To break that you'll have to infiltrate more conservative pro gun voices in there somehow or buy up some of these organizations.

What has worked over time here in the USA to mobilize people and spread the word is social media, forums and Youtube. It's helped to build a caucus of informed people. We've actually got a bill in Congress now called the Hearing Protection Act which would remove suppressors from the NFA, remove the $200 tax stamp and other controls and to purchase one over the counter would require a background check like you get when you purchase a firearm.

[happyhunter]

The question is, how to get a mainstream platform for voice such sensible counter arguments???

The mainstream media is tightly controlled by a few people/corporations and in the case of ABC, government bureaucrats, so that's a hard place to infiltrate. To break that you'll have to infiltrate more conservative pro gun voices in there somehow or buy up some of these organizations.

What has worked over time here in the USA to mobilize people and spread the word is social media, forums and Youtube. It's helped to build a caucus of informed people. We've actually got a bill in Congress now called the Hearing Protection Act which would remove suppressors from the NFA, remove the $200 tax stamp and other controls and to purchase one over the counter would require a background check like you get when you purchase a firearm.

The USA population has a different mind set to Australians when it comes to firearms. Australians are scared of guns, which is no coincidence considering the decades of anti-gun policy being fear fed to the population. The USA has the Republican party which is seemingly protective of the right to public gun ownership where as in Australia The three major political groups are all anti-gun.

[ebr love]

Errr - How come New Zealand doesn't have mass murders everyday with suppressors used in each killing? Or in the UK & Scandinavian countries where they're legal too? Scare-monger much?

Must be because the suppressors let them get away with it