Gun bans - Don't think it can happen, watch

[dugachelli]

If you havent seen it already watch the vid on you tube. Worth the watch.

Gun bans - Don't think it can happen, watch

[deadkitty]

Sorry my friend but I'll bet you didn't grow up with the threat of having your head blown off by religious or political fanatics?. Once people use guns to commit violent acts against others with a different view to their own (religious or political) the general public will support disarmament of all but those who have a genuine need for a firearm....as opposed to those who just want one. Democracy is the way to deal with would be tyrannts, simply vote them out of office. Promoting fear and hate or advocating for a heavily armed populace ...just in case... is an American argument, the people of the UK do not live in fear of their government, they vote them out of office...that's what democracy is about. Their is a pro gun lobby that would like us to be like the USA with regards to firearms, these people are the ones creating the public backlash against gun ownership in Australia, simple put, most Australians do not want to be "just like America". Given it's a democracy, this is my personal opinion, you do not have to agree with it, just as while I do not agree with yours, I'll accept it as your opinion. Cheers

[scotty87]

Sorry my friend but I'll bet you didn't grow up with the threat of having your head blown off by religious or political fanatics?. Once people use guns to commit violent acts against others with a different view to their own (religious or political) the general public will support disarmament of all but those who have a genuine need for a firearm....as opposed to those who just want one. Democracy is the way to deal with would be tyrannts, simply vote them out of office. Promoting fear and hate or advocating for a heavily armed populace ...just in case... is an American argument, the people of the UK do not live in fear of their government, they vote them out of office...that's what democracy is about. Their is a pro gun lobby that would like us to be like the USA with regards to firearms, these people are the ones creating the public backlash against gun ownership in Australia, simple put, most Australians do not want to be "just like America". Given it's a democracy, this is my personal opinion, you do not have to agree with it, just as while I do not agree with yours, I'll accept it as your opinion. Cheers

The problem with Australia is to many people are completely ignorant of firearms full stop, except for what's been force fed to them by the mass media and call of duty, these people should not be be allowed to have a voice in decision making when it comes to firearm legislation. All Australia needs is less police ministers and politicians with an axe to grind against LAFO and a back down on grey area Law interpretation, ditch the registry on cat A B longarms and put the savings to a workable registry for sporting cat C and D wih suitable magazine restrictions. Contrary to your belief the only way I can see these changes ever taking effect is if we end up with an exponentially growing rate of firearm ownership, A decent pro gun lobby could serve to deliver that outcome.

[brett1868]

Everyone relax.
The Grand Wizard will be along shortly to sort this one out.

Genesis...you're on deck mate

I saw the date being 2008 and was U.K based so didn't bother watching further.

[MR. WINCHESTER]

Methinks, the entire problem can be traced back to a simple fact ....

Australians are an apathetic bunch !

( and please don't ask me why it is so )

[juststarting]

Unfortunately, we don't live in candy land, DK. We have perception of democracy. Just look at the greyhound industry ban in NSW, although it had been overturned, but the example is there - where is the democracy? Boom, baned over night. And once it comes into effect it is not coming back. Wake up fella.

[MR. WINCHESTER]

Good post J.S.

[happyhunter]

Sorry my friend but I'll bet you didn't grow up with the threat of having your head blown off by religious or political fanatics?. Once people use guns to commit violent acts against...bla bla bla anti gun bla..

You obviously haven't heard of Yemen or Turkey. As for the U.K, it's the surveillance capitol of the world. Those people have plenty to fear from their government.

[Wylie27]

Another thread........

This is what 12 in the last month about the gubberment coming for our guns......

[deadkitty]

Unfortunately, we don't live in candy land, DK. We have perception of democracy. Just look at the greyhound industry ban in NSW, although it had been overturned, but the example is there - where is the democracy? Boom, baned over night. And once it comes into effect it is not coming back. Wake up fella.

Coming from a greyhound racing family, I can say that the louts in the industry brought this upon themselves...... The practice of " blooding" dogs and attaching live animals to lures was banned throught the civilized world decades ago. It's a leftover from the older greyhound sport of Coursing....look it up if you don't know what it is.... Coursing was banned too, so...some idiots believed that the only way to get a good racing dog was to "blood it". The result is the recent attempts at banning the sport entirely. Amongst shooters there is a similar attitude, and if these people persist the outcome for all those lafo's out there will be the same. It's completely foolish to stick your heads in the sand and claim that all licenced shooters are law abiding, like the farmer who shot the Land Management officer for exasmple. Who's living in candy land?, it's you and sheeple like you who need to wake up....but I doubt you can.

[tom604]

Unfortunately, we don't live in candy land, DK. We have perception of democracy. Just look at the greyhound industry ban in NSW, although it had been overturned, but the example is there - where is the democracy? Boom, baned over night. And once it comes into effect it is not coming back. Wake up fella.

Coming from a greyhound racing family, I can say that the louts in the industry brought this upon themselves...... The practice of " blooding" dogs and attaching live animals to lures was banned throught the civilized world decades ago. It's a leftover from the older greyhound sport of Coursing....look it up if you don't know what it is.... Coursing was banned too, so...some idiots believed that the only way to get a good racing dog was to "blood it". The result is the recent attempts at banning the sport entirely. Amongst shooters there is a similar attitude, and if these people persist the outcome for all those lafo's out there will be the same. It's completely foolish to stick your heads in the sand and claim that all licenced shooters are law abiding, like the farmer who shot the Land Management officer for exasmple. Who's living in candy land?, it's you and sheeple like you who need to wake up....but I doubt you can.

most "shooters" are law abiding the same as most judges/cops are law abiding, we are all the same, some bad most good, it would be the same in industry,some bad most good or do you think that the greyhound industry has a higher amount of bad? if not do you think that the majority should lose their lively hood by the actions of a few .

[deadkitty]

Tom, I fully agree that most shooters and most greyhound owners are respectable and law abiding, the point I am making is that just a few rotten apples can upset the entire apple cart, like two blokes from Hoodle Street and Port Arthur, they screwed things up and now we're all paying the penalty. As I said, I am from a greyhound racing family, my father was the Chief Steward of a major track and I used to walk the dogs out and on a few occassions even drove the lure, most greyhound owners are decent down to earth working class blokes...... it only take the few to ruin it for everyone.

[Jandamurra]

Tom, I fully agree that most shooters and most greyhound owners are respectable and law abiding, the point I am making is that just a few rotten apples can upset the entire apple cart, like two blokes from Hoodle Street and Port Arthur, they screwed things up and now we're all paying the penalty. As I said, I am from a greyhound racing family, my father was the Chief Steward of a major track and I used to walk the dogs out and on a few occassions even drove the lure, most greyhound owners are decent down to earth working class blokes...... it only take the few to ruin it for everyone.

Nice sentiment but it's factually mistaken as far as a few bad apples in gun massacres are concerned.
The PAM was a conspiracy and so were a number of the other shootings that had occurred in the 1987-1996 period. Unlike Martin Bryant, I have no reason not to believe Julian Knight, Frank Vitkovic and Wade Frankum weren't the perpetrators of "their" respective massacres, but in all sorts of ways these events had the fingerprints of Intelligence all over them.
Look at this video for example. It's mainly about Port Arthur but it seems that in 1987, then Victorian Police Minister Race Matthews had a ringside seat to watch Frank Vitkovic's rampage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJeQ3PgBe4U
You were the one who brought it up, not me.
As for the greyhound racing ban, I hope the authoritarian little expletive deleted who sits in the NSW Premiere's Office is defeated. There's no excuse to destroy a whole industry just because of a few bad apples and because he thinks he can.

[happyhunter]

Coming from a greyhound racing family, I can say that the louts in the industry brought this upon themselves...... The practice of " blooding" dogs and attaching live animals to lures was banned throught the civilized world decades ago. It's a leftover from the older greyhound sport of Coursing.

I have no objection to blooding greyhounds or any other form of using live baits. When hypocrites stop shoving dead animals down their fat gobs for food then they can whinge about animals being killed minus the hypocrisy.

Live baiting should be legal.. or completely decriminalized would be even better.

[deadkitty]

Coming from a greyhound racing family, I can say that the louts in the industry brought this upon themselves...... The practice of " blooding" dogs and attaching live animals to lures was banned throught the civilized world decades ago. It's a leftover from the older greyhound sport of Coursing.

I have no objection to blooding greyhounds or any other form of using live baits. When hypocrites stop shoving dead animals down their fat gobs for food then they can whinge about animals being killed minus the hypocrisy.

Live baiting should be legal.. or completely decriminalized would be even better.

Then you are one of those responsible for almost getting the sport of greyhound racing banned. If you think it's ok for people to tie a live rabbit or possum to a lure on the track and drag it around and have greyhpounds maul it to death, then you are a very sick individual. I get told all trhe time in this forum about how shooters are all such law abiding citizens..... clearly you are NOT one of them. Live baiting is illegal, that's the law, or are you one of those who only obey the laws that suit you?. Just as an aside, blooding dogs does not make them run better or faster... it's a myth. By the way I don't have a "fat gob".

[deadkitty]

Tom, I fully agree that most shooters and most greyhound owners are respectable and law abiding, the point I am making is that just a few rotten apples can upset the entire apple cart, like two blokes from Hoodle Street and Port Arthur, they screwed things up and now we're all paying the penalty. As I said, I am from a greyhound racing family, my father was the Chief Steward of a major track and I used to walk the dogs out and on a few occassions even drove the lure, most greyhound owners are decent down to earth working class blokes...... it only take the few to ruin it for everyone.

Nice sentiment but it's factually mistaken as far as a few bad apples in gun massacres are concerned.
The PAM was a conspiracy and so were a number of the other shootings that had occurred in the 1987-1996 period. Unlike Martin Bryant, I have no reason not to believe Julian Knight, Frank Vitkovic and Wade Frankum weren't the perpetrators of "their" respective massacres, but in all sorts of ways these events had the fingerprints of Intelligence all over them.
Look at this video for example. It's mainly about Port Arthur but it seems that in 1987, then Victorian Police Minister Race Matthews had a ringside seat to watch Frank Vitkovic's rampage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJeQ3PgBe4U
You were the one who brought it up, not me.
As for the greyhound racing ban, I hope the authoritarian little expletive deleted who sits in the NSW Premiere's Office is defeated. There's no excuse to destroy a whole industry just because of a few bad apples and because he thinks he can.

Geez, the forums full of conspiracy nuts..... When will you stop blaming everything and everyone apart from those responsible for the criminal acts they commited?. It seem like denialism running rampant is the norm and then shooters wonder why the public don't take them seriously.. Yes it's all a conspriacy, I Am David Shoebridge, ( is that how you spell it?) and I'm working for the intelligence agencies to monitor all you people and watch for signs of armed resistance....or something....... Sweet dreams

[deadkitty]

Unfortunately, we don't live in candy land, DK. We have perception of democracy. Just look at the greyhound industry ban in NSW, although it had been overturned, but the example is there - where is the democracy? Boom, baned over night. And once it comes into effect it is not coming back. Wake up fella.

Please tell me, oh wise one, given that you think democracy is so bad, which political system would you prefer to live under?. Perhaps anarchy?, Fascism? a dictatorship?. Democracy may not ne perfect but most of us believe that it's better than the alternatives.

[happyhunter]

Coming from a greyhound racing family, I can say that the louts in the industry brought this upon themselves...... The practice of " blooding" dogs and attaching live animals to lures was banned throught the civilized world decades ago. It's a leftover from the older greyhound sport of Coursing.

I have no objection to blooding greyhounds or any other form of using live baits. When hypocrites stop shoving dead animals down their fat gobs for food then they can whinge about animals being killed minus the hypocrisy.

Live baiting should be legal.. or completely decriminalized would be even better.

Then you are one of those responsible for almost getting the sport of greyhound racing banned. If you think it's ok for people to tie a live rabbit or possum to a lure on the track and drag it around and have greyhpounds maul it to death, then you are a very sick individual. I get told all trhe time in this forum about how shooters are all such law abiding citizens..... clearly you are NOT one of them. Live baiting is illegal, that's the law, or are you one of those who only obey the laws that suit you?. Just as an aside, blooding dogs does not make them run better or faster... it's a myth. By the way I don't have a "fat gob".

hey, I'm not the one doing the baiting.

Having no moral objection and committing the act are not the same thing.

Some people that don't eat meat think anybody that does eat meat is a sick individual. I don't eat meat and have NO moral objection to people eating meat. Horses (or dogs) for courses.

The only thing I have a moral objection to is people that inflict their morality on others, but not really

[deadkitty]

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
― Edmund Burke

[juststarting]

Oh, puss, puss, puss - hook line and sinker, ay fella?

I think first we need to establish some ground rules, alright? You need to really apply yourself to your own suggestions, point one and two.

(a) shooters need to improve their public image

What I need you to do, is to go back to your previous post and correct all the punctuations and capitalisation mistakes. Okay? You are tarnishing our public image with your bumpkin attempt at writing.

Before you continue reading, have a cup of camomile tea. Take a deep breath or two and just chill. Have spliff, as required. Breath in happy thoughts, breath out angry thoughts. It seems like you are a bit angry. Don't be angry.

(b) shooters need to stop alienating groups of the general public

Now, full of happy thoughts you need to stop attacking everyone on this forum. Everyone has an opinion and unfortunately so do you, as wrong as it may be, we/I listen and respond - but we don’t throw insults or speak with sarcasm intending to offend. Alright? For instance telling me to remove chopsticks from my nose. Outrage! What’s next, swap my guns for a single shot muzzle loader (shut up Noisy)? Or clearly not paying attention to what I’ve written; saying that I don’t want democracy. I very much want democracy. Alas, we don’t have it, especially in the shooting sports - that is what I said.

(c) shooters have to prove , by their actions that, they do care for the environment.

I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt here.

Now, to answer your original question:

which political system would you prefer to live under

I would like to give Objectivism a try. Some describe it as Libertarianism with teeth.

Thanks for playing.

[brett1868]

I wonder if 400 acres is enough to declare independence from Australia and start my own country....I want a Dictatorship like I have at home now, except I'm the Dictator instead of the missus

[juststarting]

I wonder if 400 acres is enough to declare independence from Australia and start my own country....I want a Dictatorship like I have at home now, except I'm the Dictator instead of the missus

Reminds me of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jTktixJHYk

[deadkitty]

I wonder if 400 acres is enough to declare independence from Australia and start my own country....I want a Dictatorship like I have at home now, except I'm the Dictator instead of the missus

Let us know how you go with the bit that goes " except I'm the Dictator instead of the missus"

[deadkitty]

Oh, puss, puss, puss - hook line and sinker, ay fella?

I think first we need to establish some ground rules, alright? You need to really apply yourself to your own suggestions, point one and two.

(a) shooters need to improve their public image

What I need you to do, is to go back to your previous post and correct all the punctuations and capitalisation mistakes. Okay? You are tarnishing our public image with your bumpkin attempt at writing.

Before you continue reading, have a cup of camomile tea. Take a deep breath or two and just chill. Have spliff, as required. Breath in happy thoughts, breath out angry thoughts. It seems like you are a bit angry. Don't be angry.

(b) shooters need to stop alienating groups of the general public

Now, full of happy thoughts you need to stop attacking everyone on this forum. Everyone has an opinion and unfortunately so do you, as wrong as it may be, we/I listen and respond - but we don’t throw insults or speak with sarcasm intending to offend. Alright? For instance telling me to remove chopsticks from my nose. Outrage! What’s next, swap my guns for a single shot muzzle loader (shut up Noisy)? Or clearly not paying attention to what I’ve written; saying that I don’t want democracy. I very much want democracy. Alas, we don’t have it, especially in the shooting sports - that is what I said.

(c) shooters have to prove , by their actions that, they do care for the environment.

I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt here.

Now, to answer your original question:

which political system would you prefer to live under

I would like to give Objectivism a try. Some describe it as Libertarianism with teeth.

Thanks for playing.

You playing the man not the ball again JS?. If typo's and punctuation are your big thing, please correct your own i.e. " Alright? For instance " , by the way, regarding shooters image...yes you are such a great model with your chopsticks, it makes you look so intelligent . I'm not angry as you falsely assume, but I do respond in kind, I do not "attack everyone in the forum" as you put it, only those who make a point of attacking me before they read , or selectivelly read my posts before launching into diversionary attacks..... like yours in your last post , i.e. whining about typo's etc . You appear to have a strange idea of what democracy means i.e. " Alas, we don’t have it, especially in the shooting sports - that is what I said." , just because your views within the shooting sports are in the minority does not mean the system isn't working, it means the majority won, ergo, that the democratic process is working. Regarding your comment(s) " Everyone has an opinion and unfortunately so do you, as wrong as it may be, we/I listen and respond - but we don’t throw insults or speak with sarcasm intending to offend." geez, you are one huge hypocrite....... and quite possibly blind too. Given that you are clearly not happy with my presence in this forum, may I suggest you simply ignore me?, I will try to do likewise.

[juststarting]

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
― Edmund Burke

...so you see, I can't ignore you or the evil will triumph. You understand, right, fudd?

[bigfellascott]

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
― Edmund Burke

...so you see, I can't ignore you or the evil will triumph. You understand, right, fudd?

Aren't you just a Johnny come lately to the shooting game or am I miss understanding your journey?

[juststarting]

Definitely come lately

[juststarting]

Actually, interesting point Bigfellascot. I lean to Libertarian philosophy for much much longer. Just something to think about.

[happyhunter]

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
― Edmund Burke

You forgot the "not to act is to act.. not to speak is to speak" part, although personally, I just don't care.

[happyhunter]

If you worried about animal cruelty, don't eat meat, don't punt on the donkeys or dogs, don't drink milk, don't eat/use any animal products and then you can sleep easy at night knowing that all the animals are living happily ever after. Anyway, what has this got to do with gun bans?