Gun bans - Don't think it can happen, watch

[happyhunter]

..or consider this, if a premier can ban a betting sport with the stroke of a pen, what makes you think he can't do it to gun owners?

[deadkitty]

If you worried about animal cruelty, don't eat meat, don't punt on the donkeys or dogs, don't drink milk, don't eat/use any animal products and then you can sleep easy at night knowing that all the animals are living happily ever after. Anyway, what has this got to do with gun bans?

The point, is farmers look after their livestock, most cattle and sheep have quite nice lives until taken away to be humanely slaughtered. i.e. they aren't[u] deliberately[/u] made to suffer ( like being dragged, terrified, around a track then mauled to death). If you can't make the clear distinction between the two, then you have a problem. I also love milk and know the dairy farmers also look after their cows, in fact, far better than some people look after their pets. The gun bans bit?, well JS brought up the subject of greyhound racing being banned and I pointed out that if the public see or percieve a sport as causing unnesscessary suffering to any animal they will push for having it banned....shooting or more correctly hunting can also face the same critisism, if the few who regard animals as little more than targets get the publics attention. I hope this clears the thread up for you. Cheers

[happyhunter]

The point, is farmers look after their livestock, most cattle and sheep have quite nice lives until taken away to be humanely slaughtered. i.e. they aren't deliberately made to suffer ( like being dragged, terrified, around a track then mauled to death). If you can't make the clear distinction between the two, then you have a problem.

The distinction exists only in your flawed reasoning. You are attempting to justify market driven cruelty, a market that you play your part in as a consumer.

[on_one_wheel]

I wonder if 400 acres is enough to declare independence from Australia and start my own country....I want a Dictatorship like I have at home now, except I'm the Dictator instead of the missus

That's been done here in Australia... almost the same anyhow.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princip ... Hutt_River

You can even print your own money, but be sure to have your passport and visa on you when you leave your own Dictatorship.

[deadkitty]

The point, is farmers look after their livestock, most cattle and sheep have quite nice lives until taken away to be humanely slaughtered. i.e. they aren't deliberately made to suffer ( like being dragged, terrified, around a track then mauled to death). If you can't make the clear distinction between the two, then you have a problem.

The distinction exists only in your flawed reasoning. You are attempting to justify market driven cruelty, a market that you play your part in as a consumer.

It's a shame that you can't see the difference, however you are entitled to your views, so we can agree to disagree. Cheers

[Jandamurra]

Tom, I fully agree that most shooters and most greyhound owners are respectable and law abiding, the point I am making is that just a few rotten apples can upset the entire apple cart, like two blokes from Hoodle Street and Port Arthur, they screwed things up and now we're all paying the penalty. As I said, I am from a greyhound racing family, my father was the Chief Steward of a major track and I used to walk the dogs out and on a few occassions even drove the lure, most greyhound owners are decent down to earth working class blokes...... it only take the few to ruin it for everyone.

Nice sentiment but it's factually mistaken as far as a few bad apples in gun massacres are concerned.
The PAM was a conspiracy and so were a number of the other shootings that had occurred in the 1987-1996 period. Unlike Martin Bryant, I have no reason not to believe Julian Knight, Frank Vitkovic and Wade Frankum weren't the perpetrators of "their" respective massacres, but in all sorts of ways these events had the fingerprints of Intelligence all over them.
Look at this video for example. It's mainly about Port Arthur but it seems that in 1987, then Victorian Police Minister Race Matthews had a ringside seat to watch Frank Vitkovic's rampage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJeQ3PgBe4U
You were the one who brought it up, not me.
As for the greyhound racing ban, I hope the authoritarian little expletive deleted who sits in the NSW Premiere's Office is defeated. There's no excuse to destroy a whole industry just because of a few bad apples and because he thinks he can.

Geez, the forums full of conspiracy nuts..... When will you stop blaming everything and everyone apart from those responsible for the criminal acts they commited?. It seem like denialism running rampant is the norm and then shooters wonder why the public don't take them seriously.. Yes it's all a conspriacy, I Am David Shoebridge, ( is that how you spell it?) and I'm working for the intelligence agencies to monitor all you people and watch for signs of armed resistance....or something....... Sweet dreams

Like I said, you brought it up. You parroted the usual line about "one idiot ruined it for the rest of us" and I merely countered with the true version of events.
There are a few like-minded people here, as you correctly note, but I could just as easily whinge that this forum is full of mainstream unaware people who won't question what they're told.
The problem with going around saying one idiot ruined it for the rest of us, is that it's simply untrue. There really was. or is, a conspiracy. That being the case, it is extremely unhelpful to the cause of shooting to ignore it.

[happyhunter]

Report after report confirms government conspiracy.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/ ... ots-report
https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/21/us- ... n-illusion
https://www.hrw.org/report/2014/07/21/i ... osecutions

These are examples that have been proven. No doubt there is collusion against legal gun ownership. Like the old saying goings, a guns worst enemy is rust and politicians.

Slightly off topic, but kind of gun related, is the current US elections and a certain candidates anti gun beliefs. If I was a U.S citizen, before voting I'd read the H.C's leaked email dump by wikileaks. Having browsed through them myself, and as nuts as D.T is being made to appear in the mainstream media, there is no way I'd vote for H.C. The truth is in those emails.

[Medic]

My personal views:
1: The only people who should be allowed to vote on firearm issues are LAW ABIDING GUN OWNERS OF ANY CATEGORY. Period, otherwise they are voting on something they don't understand.

2: THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO VOTE -AT ALL- ARE THOSE WHO CONTRIBUTED SOMETHING TO SOCIETY.
IE: Police/Fire/Paramedics/SES/Soldiers (Army/navy/airforce) (Compulsory national service) and those who do community service for 5000/10 000 or so hours to EARN THE RIGHT TO VOTE.
Just how I feel. Civilian vs Citizen.

[juststarting]

My personal views:
1: The only people who should be allowed to vote on firearm issues are LAW ABIDING GUN OWNERS OF ANY CATEGORY. Period, otherwise they are voting on something they don't understand.

2: THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO VOTE -AT ALL- ARE THOSE WHO CONTRIBUTED SOMETHING TO SOCIETY.
IE: Police/Fire/Paramedics/SES/Soldiers (Army/navy/airforce) (Compulsory national service) and those who do community service for 5000/10 000 or so hours to EARN THE RIGHT TO VOTE.
Just how I feel. Civilian vs Citizen.

What about those who pay taxes that pay for salaries of those who you consider to be doing 'a service'? You know, someone needs to feed the army and volunteers. How about parents, who have contributed a children to society who also pay taxes or serve in some capacity that you described, are they exempt? Very childish point of view, Medic.

[darwindingo]

Medic

I have to say that I'm curious as to what makes you feel (assuming I'm reading the post as it was intended) that because someone is either, Police/Fire/SES/Soldier/ LFO etc..Would qualify someone, or lead to better judgment (on any topic) than others and / or earn them anymore right to vote than anyone else?.

Only asking out of a genuine curiosity ?.

[Medic]

It's my view, and believe me I could give many rational well considered answers to my statement, but this is the Internet so why bother. I'm being called childish by someone who's never sat in a special care nursery whilst a "parent" gets her 8th baby taken off her by family services because the baby is having seizures and will need constant life long care are the expense of millions of tax payer dollars (again) for her drug habit, but hey, that's "contributing" according to old mate... sounds like another point of view of someone who should do some community service and see the real world to me...

It's my view, don't care if you like it.

Dingo mate I would but would do it in pm, ain't worth it here.

[happyhunter]

It's my view, and believe me I could give many rational well considered answers to my statement, but this is the Internet so why bother. I'm being called childish by someone who's never sat in a special care nursery whilst a "parent" gets her 8th baby taken off her by family services because the baby is having seizures and will need constant life long care are the expense of millions of tax payer dollars (again) for her drug habit, but hey, that's "contributing" according to old mate... sounds like another point of view of someone who should do some community service and see the real world to me...

It's my view, don't care if you like it.

Dingo mate I would but would do it in pm, ain't worth it here.

Waaah Waaahh.. here's a tissue for your issue.

[juststarting]

But isn't community service only supporting those pesky junkies? Take away social services I say and the problem will go away. So really, community service personnel only encourages them, no? LOL. Like I said naive views.

[gazza]

Don't worry medic, I doubt the smackhead mum will vote. Not correctly anyway.