Jira as a reloading notebook (nerds central)

[juststarting]

You're being slightly obtuse. The discussion was about recording load data. There are many other tools and options available besides online solutions.

Totally, I lost track somewhere along the way. My bad. Data owenership - meh, so what someone has my load data. Really though, read T&Cs, you'll be fine.

The number of young people I have to go collect because they don't believe me when I tell them gps and Internet will not help them find my place is quite annoying.

Those pesky yuongings! I see what you mean. Honestly, I still have those issues. Some people are just wired this way.

[juststarting]

I chose app!

[juststarting]

But everything to do with reliance on technology. Even most shops were closed ... why ? No internet.... no Internet, no electronic funds transfers, no shops, for some no shops = no food.

No internet or no power? I think power - refrigeration and heat, to stay within health regulation for serving food. And other equipment. Funds, interesting point - correct ATMs are down and people are used to this, but how is it different to a bank being shut down and unable to operate if you were to go in person?

I do agree that we relay, over rely on technology, however blaming Internet for SA power outage is absurd.

[Gwion]

You're being slightly obtuse. The discussion was about recording load data. There are many other tools and options available besides online solutions.

Totally, I lost track somewhere along the way. My bad. Data owenership - meh, so what someone has my load data. Really though, read T&Cs, you'll be fine.

The number of young people I have to go collect because they don't believe me when I tell them gps and Internet will not help them find my place is quite annoying.

Those pesky yuongings! I see what you mean. Honestly, I still have those issues. Some people are just wired this way.

I email people very clear directions and specifically tell them not to rely on google or satnav. They are clearly convinced I don't know what I'm talking about and then call me from the local shops telling me they are lost because their gps had taken them to the wrong road.....

Over reliance.....

[juststarting]

There's a broader point that both of you are making and I disagree with it.

'Well we rely on technology too much'

Yes we do - but this is a neutral statement. It's not good or bad. Though people somehow make it sound bad.

How is it different to horses being replaced by cars, industrial revolution in general, even microwaves or clean running water, instead of carting buckets from the well. Or buying your crockery instead of making it. Or expecting the shower to work or electricity to come on or generator to turn on from purchased fuel.

This was all new at some stage and at some stage someone was saying - those damn kids, they don't know what it's like to go take a dump outside in a dunny in subzero temperatures, in the snow, barefoot with a mad case of the runs.

Saying things like, 'we rely on something too much' when this something is part of the fabric - is kind of like blaming the universe for expanding. This is why I say - I agree with you that we do rely on technology, a lot, like we do on any other household utility. But also why I think you are wrong when you make it into a negative.

[Gwion]

Some of the entitled little s**ts then even have the gall to act as though their getting lost is My fault!

[Gwion]

There's a broader point that both of you are making and I disagree with it.

'Well we rely on technology too much'

Yes we do - but this is a neutral statement. It's not good or bad. Though people somehow make it sound bad.

How is it different to horses being replaced by cars, industrial revolution in general, even microwaves or clean running water, instead of carting buckets from the well.....

No. It's about over reliance on the Internet, not 'technology'. Some people live under the delusion that the net is available everywhere and can solve all solutions. It simply can't and a large proportion of younger people will never learn to rely on their own skills and be screwed when they cannot access the net to tell them how to scratch their own arses!

[on_one_wheel]

We don't go name calling around here Mr Winchester.
That's why this forum is such a good place.

[juststarting]

You're such a sooky f**k.

Got to be waaay more specific, dude. Which one of us?

[Gwion]

I think Winnie has sand in his undies and a rapidly emptying bar fridge tonight....,

[juststarting]

He's just angry that I think all shotguns are just two pipes and couple of nails, no better or worse than a good 'ol stoeger condor

[on_one_wheel]

, however blaming Internet for SA power outage is absurd.

I never said that the Internet caused the blackout... that would be absurd!
I'm saying that most shops were closed not
because of a lack of power but because the Millennials running the hardware stores and supermarkets had no idea how to swipe a card manually OLD SCHOOL STYLE using carbon paper.

Instead they were standing out the front turning customers away because "our eftpos is out"

Lazy little modern convenience spoiled, smelly, streached ear hole, tattooed, Facebook addicted millenials !

[juststarting]

I know what you were saying... I am saying that this would be the same, fpos or not.

[happyhunter]

I do agree that we relay, over rely on technology, however blaming Internet for SA power outage is absurd.

The worst storm in 50 years?, Nah, it was the internet that did it.

[juststarting]

[happyhunter]

I have no idea what Jira is, but in about in seconds I can punch it into a search engine and know what JS is talking about. Oh yeah.. load data. I write it on the ammo box in texta with the date the ammo was rolled.

[darwindingo]

Just out of curiosity....! It would be interesting to see just how many shops even have the carbon paper gear anymore, probably not many ? and probably no staff that would know what it was, even if they did

[on_one_wheel]

I do agree that we relay, over rely on technology, however blaming Internet for SA power outage is absurd.

The worst storm in 50 years?, Nah, it was the internet that did it.

It was cause because Electranet didn't get enough likes on Facebook.... trust me

[Supaduke]

actually I am not a doctor, but happy to diagnose and perform minor surgery

And I'm not a gynaecologist but I'm happy to take a look.

[happyhunter]

Just out of curiosity It would be interesting to see just how many shops even have the carbon paper gear anymore, probably not many ?

Every time I write an invoice.

[on_one_wheel]

Just out of curiosity It would be interesting to see just how many shops even have the carbon paper gear anymore, probably not many ? and probably less staff that would know what it was, even if they did

A while back I showed a young couple how to use one at a servo.
They said "cash only, the eftpos is not working"

I noticed the clunky card thingo and said " got any paper for that? "

Blank stare ...

Fill in the blanks and swipe, hopefully someone looses the paperwork and I score free stuff.

I'd bet most shops still have them but they create lots of extra work for someone who needs to manually submit the the information later, which might explain the store manager saying "shut the shop, it's getting to hard"

[on_one_wheel]

He's just angry that I think all shotguns are just two pipes and couple of nails, no better or worse than a good 'ol stoeger condor

Add to that the frustration of not being able to articulate your emotions into writing.
It's not easy being green and scaly.

[brett1868]

Jira is essentially a more in depth tool similar to Kanban that follows the "Agile" method of disparate teams working together to produce rapid results utilising the LEAN approach.
Wankwords aside, I use an excel spreadsheet with a tab per cartridge to record my load data. Loads are then written on a post-it-note, Rounds are then loaded and placed in zip lock baggy with note. I hit the range, open baggy, shoot it over the chrono, record the string on the note and target, photograph the target and repeat till there's no more baggy's. When I get home I dump the chrono data and make notes in my spreadsheet as to velocities, E.S, S.D and adjusted Group size in MOA@100m. Not the prettiest but it works for me, I keep the file sync'd to Onedrive as well as a local backup. I print it from time to time so there's a hard copy I can refer to.
I've seen some after market apps to track load data, even one that incorporated ballistics but it was last updated several years ago. If anyone knows of a commercial app then please let me know as I'd like to check it out.

[happyhunter]

Dunno about this talk of baggies.. sounds suss to me

[juststarting]

Brett, what specifically would you be looking for - i.e. commercial app vs your spreadsheets (exactly how I do it now too btw)?

[Supaduke]

I love the internet. It can answer all of life's mysteries .....
What is a Hot Carl?
What is a Kentucky Klondike bar?
Has Mila Kunis ever done a nude scene?
How do I make tannerite?
I drank brake fluid for a dare, will I die?
Etc..

[pomemax]

1I am a doctor (actually I am not a doctor, but happy to diagnose and perform minor surgery

#1 - solid, no argument there. That would be an issue.
But that doesn't stop you writing things down and taking photos, then uploading later. Or in case of paper, what if its wet and windy - that's sort of the same [/quote]
I had a mate years ago who used to use that line to pick up actually he used to say he was a gynecologist well not realy but i will have a look at it for you .

[brett1868]

Brett, what specifically would you be looking for - i.e. commercial app vs your spreadsheets (exactly how I do it now too btw)?

This is one that caught my eye but no updates since 2009
http://www.robsoft.nu/rro3_en/default.asp

[brett1868]

I love the internet. It can answer all of life's mysteries .....
What is a Hot Carl?
What is a Kentucky Klondike bar?
Has Mila Kunis ever done a nude scene?
How do I make tannerite?
I drank brake fluid for a dare, will I die?
Etc..

Has Mila Kunis ever done a nude scene?
http://www.nudography.com/Celebrities/mila_kunis.aspx

[juststarting]

Yep, pretty much what I was thinking. I was thinking bit less detail, like I don't have a chronograph for example. But other than that - same same. Just messing around with free version now, see if I can cook up something quick as a demo.