Gun laws not negotiable.

[Oldbloke]

Thought I would post this for those interested.

Crossbench Senator David Leyonhjelm wants concessions on gun laws in exchange for supporting the ABCC bill. Follow developments live.

Read the full story
http://ab.co/2eh9asN

[bigfellascott]

All I hear in that Video is how things won't be changing!

[<<Genesis93>>]

Who said 'not' negotiable.... everything is on the table when it comes to dealing as Turdfull pretty much said..

Note theyre spinning this as "overturning the ban on the rapid fire shotgun" when the quashing of the 'ban' would represent in fact allowing a 6 round shotgun to be imported as opposed to the current 5 round limit (5+ is restricted, I know the firearm is rds)

When Liontamer has asked for the agreement to be honoured... re temporary restriction...

You'll note when the lefties are negotiating their wishlist, carbon tax, locking up marine and terrestrial areas, various other thing that destroy livelihoods, 'everythings sweet'.... things that actually destroy jobs, lives, wealth...... but having an etra single round in the shotty, thats locked up in a safe for 99% of the time is the end of the world to these bags of crap...

[Pilch]

Who said 'not' negotiable.... everything is on the table when it comes to dealing as Turdfull pretty much said.

I was listing to him in an interview on the radio this morning actually, the usual politicing and avoiding answering question BS that they all do, but more or less took the position the ban on the "rapid fire shotgun" wouldn't be lifted, even though he didn't say the words. You know how they talk though.....

What happens behind closed doors in actual negotiations though we'll see.

[bigfellascott]

Who said 'not' negotiable.... everything is on the table when it comes to dealing as Turdfull pretty much said.

I was listing to him in an interview on the radio this morning actually, the usual politicing and avoiding answering question BS that they all do, but more or less took the position the ban on the "rapid fire shotgun" wouldn't be lifted, even though he didn't say the words. You know how they talk though.....

What happens behind closed doors in actual negotiations though we'll see.

It will be the same ol same ol, promise everything and deliver SFA in return, you only have to look at the NP, Sound Moderators etc etc, promised everything and where are we today - no where diff than when they promised this crap, quite simply you can't negotiate with habitual liars and bulls**t artists cos they will tell you what you want to hear and that's as much as you will ever get from them!

We will lift the ban in 1yr, yeah they will do that and the next day they are moved to the unobtanium category, you can deadset bet ya nuts on that being the way it will happen - these pricks doing the negotiation are hundreds of steps in front of Lyonhelm - they will play him like a fiddle to get what they want, they did it with ballsack - simply they hold the cards so they will decide which way the game will be played whilst letting their opponent think they are holding the Ace card

[wade06]

http://www.news.com.au/national/politic ... 1fd12c79e9

"MALCOLM Turnbull today kept alive approval of one of the world’s most lethal shotguns in negotiations for Senate backing of his union-curbing legislation."

Nothing like a sensational headline to get some clicks.

Personally there are gun laws that should be changed before legalising the 7 shot Adler. i.e. allowing pump actions and silencers.

[on_one_wheel]

So we can add "one of the world's most lethal shotguns" to the growing list of Adler adjectives.

[<<Genesis93>>]

That 'National Political editor' has gone full retard in that standard murderdoch POS.... Abbott 'banned' the Adler, most dangerous... blaaaaah

twitter:

Interesting response to my political story from gun owners who see any mention of firearms w/o universal endorsement of them an affront.

It's not as lethal as a 20-shot chamber shottie, which would be more your speed I would guess Dick.

@farrm51 Yes, really. That gun has *one* chamber. One. It has a 20 shot *magazine*. Again, you have no idea what you're talking about.
@farrm51 A "20-shot chamber" shotgun? It's hilarious when clueless media hacks try to pretend they know what they're talking about.

[juststarting]

So clarify this for me:

Are Adlers banned from being imported? Or is it just the 7 shot versions?

In case of the 7 vs 5, to me it seems like a retarded argument. 5 or 7, really, meh - time wasted on these two shells however is priceless. Why not invest into something else, like suppressors or semi .22? Just seems like am OCD in action, where near enough is good enough should do and debate should be moved on to 22s and suppressors.

Am I missing something here?

[juststarting]

That is, Adler is here. Leave it for now and invest time into further common sense. This obsessive compulsive allocation of effort is just not making sense to me.

[on_one_wheel]

I love how quickly the SSAA have jumped on the band wagon to put forward the facts ..... oh hang on ....

SSAA this is ground control. .... do you have a copy?

( Insert cricket sounds)

[on_one_wheel]

I heard Turncoat speak about it today.

He was VERY passionate about the Nfa and the JH legacy.

[Baronvonrort]

So clarify this for me:

Are Adlers banned from being imported? Or is it just the 7 shot versions?

Gun laws are a state issue so all Tony Abbott did was change the customs act to prohibit shotguns with more than 5 rounds from being imported.

Leyonhjelm pushed for a sunset clause so it could be reviewed then the dirty liberals broke their word on it.

[Oldbloke]

http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/malcolm-turnbull-wont-take-david-leyonhjelms-shotgun-demand-off-negotiating-table/news-story/112cf1177365d466b9c9f81fd12c79e9

"MALCOLM Turnbull today kept alive approval of one of the world’s most lethal shotguns in negotiations for Senate backing of his union-curbing legislation."

Nothing like a sensational headline to get some clicks.

Personally there are gun laws that should be changed before legalising the 7 shot Adler. i.e. allowing pump actions and silencers.

Agree, some of them are just nonsensical, but take what you can get I sat. Beggars cant be choosers.

[<<Genesis93>>]

I heard Turncoat speak about it today.

He was VERY passionate about the Nfa and the JH legacy.

What a f***ing charade.... a f***ing wordgame....

Turdfull stands in parliament and declares he has no intention to change the gun laws.....

#oh damn#

but then continues;

"...and neither does Leyonhjelm"

Wha??

Translation.... what Leyonhelm wants does not represent a changing/ watering down of little Johnnie the rat's legacy, because as we know, the 96 law ALLOW a lever without any mag limit...

So the way I read it... deal is done - Adler ban is gone (unless of course they make 9 cross benchers without him.... )

FM theyre a bunch of dirty dogs.

[juststarting]

Ha! I've picked up on that too...

"...and neither does Leyonhjelm"

[Oldbloke]

None of the parties are good for their word. Need to copy the French.

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[<<Genesis93>>]

Send them to Georgia, USA....Le Guillotine is legal there...

phuck the double speaking treasonous scum bags..... no wonder they want us disarmed

[Sam45]

Here is an interesting article! Everything is NEGOTIABLE

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-1 ... fmredir=sm

[Ar50a1]

Can't believe people are still surprised that politicians tell lies!!!!

[Oldbloke]

Well at least 1 NSW minister is thinking about the issue rather than parroting media bull s**t.

http://ab.co/2dp3zL2

[brett1868]

Well at least 1 NSW minister is thinking about the issue rather than parroting media bull s**t.

http://ab.co/2dp3zL2

I'm liking this lady, "When we get highly emotive in these sort of instances, probably the first casualty is the truth" and "We need to be very, very careful not to seek the cheap political fix." I believe she's quite being fair and reasonable on the subject. I still love how the journos always seem to add the "Rapid Fire" prefix to the Adler...lets not tell them a U/O can put more rounds on target then an Adler

[doc]

So we can add "one of the world's most lethal shotguns" to the growing list of Adler adjectives.

LOL - starting a list of what the media have used for this would be an interesting excersise!

[<<Genesis93>>]

Well at least 1 NSW minister is thinking about the issue rather than parroting media bull s**t.

http://ab.co/2dp3zL2

I'm liking this lady, "When we get highly emotive in these sort of instances, probably the first casualty is the truth" and "We need to be very, very careful not to seek the cheap political fix." I believe she's quite being fair and reasonable on the subject. I still love how the journos always seem to add the "Rapid Fire" prefix to the Adler...lets not tell them a U/O can put more rounds on target then an Adler

And I reckon Benny boy would be quite nifty with one of his rapid fire single shots....

[happyhunter]

So we can add "one of the world's most lethal shotguns" to the growing list of Adler adjectives.

haha.. here's one from this mornings Age.

Asked if he would lift an import ban on a hyper-lethal Adler lever-action shotgun to win the...

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politi ... s54dy.html

Not just lethal, it's hyper!

[<<Genesis93>>]

So we can add "one of the world's most lethal shotguns" to the growing list of Adler adjectives.

haha.. here's one from this mornings Age.

Asked if he would lift an import ban on a hyper-lethal Adler lever-action shotgun to win the...

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politi ... s54dy.html

Not just lethal, it's hyper!

What an absolute grub..... sorry, that probably offensive to grubs... what a presstitute. What a media whore. Those words were not uttered in parliament, either way, utter crap to even consider describing it in that way.

The Adler is as lethal as a single shot 12g, in fact as lethal as a single shot 22, or a fully sik automatic hand machine gun firing 600r/m of 308win.... the same 'lethality'...

what was said in parliament.......;

(refers to Hansard)

[<<Genesis93>>]

So of all the crap going on today, families barely or not affording a roof over their head, kids going to school without brekky or a lunch, elderly not turning the heater on in the winter, not to mention our leaders putting us in a real peril by involving our DEFENCE force in someone else's quarrels in multiple countries in a distant other hemisphere of the world, encouraging extremist attacks here in our suburbs....

But the first thing they concern themselves with is attacking the government, because it was suggested we, lawful citizens, may have access to a 6 shot, as opposed to the currently available 5 shot legal, licensed, registered shotgun.... f***ing grubs.

Ms PLIBERSEK: Well, rule it out! What is this parliament being asked to do? This parliament is being asked by the proponents of this change to allow into this country a gun, the Adler A110 five-shot weapon, which can be converted to a 14-shot gun with a do-it-yourself magazine. These do-it-yourself magazines are already for sale in Australia. In fact, Curtin University's Professor Charles Watson called for this shotgun to be banned, saying:

… in reality the Adler is a modern firearm that looks and operates like a semiautomatic weapon

Mr TURNBULL: Under the current national firearms agreement, lever action shotguns are category A. There has been a move on the COAG committee of justice ministers to have those guns reclassified, which we have supported. Because agreement has not been reached, we put in place an import ban, which expired in August this year, so we have renewed it and we have renewed it indefinitely. What that means, of course, is that—

Ms Plibersek: A temporary ban!

The SPEAKER: The member for Sydney is warned!

Mr TURNBULL: It is not a temporary ban. It is permanent. It is set in stone. It can be amended, but it is there—like any import ban. If the honourable member is seriously interested in the safety of Australians, as I trust we all are, let me explain. Firearms are classified under the national firearms agreement as category A, B, C or D. Category A guns are relatively readily able to be acquired. For category B you need to nominate a specific purpose, like primary production. Firearms in categories C and D are very, very difficult to obtain, and appropriately so. So the debate that is being conducted and has not yet been agreed between the state jurisdictions, who of course have the regulation of firearms, is whether and how the Adler seven-shot lever action gun should be classified. What my government has done is to ensure that no Adler lever action guns with more than five rounds can be imported in any category. They cannot be imported at all.

That there is called politics / double speak / can we now officially redefine 'set in stone'???

....and No, Mr Turdfull, they are not easily obtained ffs, licensing, testing, hoops and hurdles, THEN you need to again apply to the police for another permission....

I could fill this page and more with the utter nonsense... I suggest a read of yesterdays lower house hansard...

here for the web base index

here for the pdf download

[Gwion]

It's all just a diversion.....

The whole world is careening toward... oh look, a butterfly! (or in this case, a shot gun that doesn't jam all the time)

[<<Genesis93>>]

It's all just a diversion.....

The whole world is careening toward... oh look, a butterfly! (or in this case, a shot gun that doesn't jam all the time)

Yes. Yes. and Yes.

Look at the papers, all they care about reporting is who's doing who, and that one of the Kardashians has got her gear out again....and that the prospective President of the 'free world' spoke in bloke parlance, words that I suspect every single hetero guy has stated at least 50 times when in the company of other blokes...and obviously when they had no idea they were being recorded

ffs, is there any hope

[<<Genesis93>>]

The calls come as the Liberal Democrats Senator pushing for the change, David Leyonhjelm, has urged Peta Credlin to "STFU" (shut the f--k up) after she rejected reports Tony Abbott did a deal that would allow the firearm into the country.

I dont like that...... woman... a copy of the document confirming the agreement is even in the public realm, what is she on??


....and I love the way theyre reporting the 'set in stone' bit, but not the 'it can be amended' part the follows....