Gun laws not negotiable.

[brett1868]

The government should focus more on the Philippine's selling themselves out to China / Russia and booting our allies out. China has it's eyes firmly on Australia's natural resources and will use the South China sea bases and now the Philippines to stage their assault. We'll be cut off from our allies and at the mercy of the hoards, maybe then the assclowns in government might think...hmmm, maybe we shouldn't have banned the Adler... when urging citizens to defend our country.

[<<Genesis93>>]

The government should focus more on the Philippine's selling themselves out to China / Russia and booting our allies out. China has it's eyes firmly on Australia's natural resources and will use the South China sea bases and now the Philippines to stage their assault. We'll be cut off from our allies and at the mercy of the hoards, maybe then the assclowns in government might think...hmmm, maybe we shouldn't have banned the Adler... when urging citizens to defend our country.

and one day the Chinese might even sail one of their battleships around the Northern tip of Australia.... oh wait that happened a couple of years back with barely a mention in the media...

Between Russia and the USSA, give me the Ruskies any day, their giving their citizen gun rights while Washington is trying to take away...plus they have more nukes.... less national debt....and more polar bears

Putin was at an arms factory recently, talking about increasing the consumer end of the production (thats more guns for the peeps!) I know however Brett, that you could travel further east than Donetsk....

[on_one_wheel]

So we can add "one of the world's most lethal shotguns" to the growing list of Adler adjectives.

LOL - starting a list of what the media have used for this would be an interesting excersise!

Here's some that come to mind

Game changing
New technology
High powered
High capacity
Rapid fire
Loop hole jumping
Legislation side stepping
Worlds most lethal
And heres the contradiction of terms .... lever action shotgun

[happyhunter]

Caught some of question time today on the ABC 24 rinse cycle and it was all about the Adler. The debate just went circular, nobody said anything useful, nothing worthwhile was achieved and the clowns all made a another days pay at the public's expense.

[Oldbloke]

SSAA media alert.

www.ssaavic.com.au/critical-time-for-firearm-owners/

[happyhunter]

SSAA media alert.

http://www.ssaavic.com.au/critical-time ... rm-owners/

Now it's fully political, all commonsense has been removed and unlikely to end well.

[Oldbloke]

SSAA media alert.

http://www.ssaavic.com.au/critical-time ... rm-owners/

Now it's fully political, all commonsense has been removed and unlikely to end well.

I agree, all common sense and truth have flown out the window. Looks like a debarcle to me.

THE POLITITIONS ARE PAID TO MAKE RATIONAL LAWS BASED ON FACTS AND GOOD SENSE FOR THE BETTER OF THE PEOPLE WHO VOTE FOR THEM.

THEY DONT. THEY WOULD BE SACKED IN THE REAL WORLD.

[<<Genesis93>>]

Well.... the most interesting and revealing point of this whole fiasco, was when Turdfull stated that the the import ban was until the RECATEGORISATION was agreed to, we have been fed the line however, up until this point, that the import restriction was to be inplace until the review of the NFA. whether or not a decision to recat was taken.

As I've said, we have not surprisingly been are fed a large serving of BS from this trough feeders in Cantberra.

If they were treating ANY other sector of the community with such contempt, their would have been calls for a Royal Commission echoing from Perth to Sydney, Melbourne to Darwin.....long ago. Lawful gun owners are the easy target.

[Oldbloke]

I assume you mean this when you say trough feeders.

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My guess is the pigs are smarter.

[darwindingo]

THE POLITITIONS ARE PAID TO MAKE RATIONAL LAWS BASED ON FACTS AND GOOD SENSE FOR THE BETTER OF THE PEOPLE.

That would be nice !

But, unfortunately we would all be more likely to simultaneously find a pot of gold at the end of a frigin Rainbow before that will ever happen...

I believe this is how it works...

1. Compile enough $ to "BUY ACCESS" to them (AKA. a "Bribe" in the real world), Although I think the preferred term is enormous "Party Donation"..

2. They will do "WHATEVER" it takes to get enough votes to be in power..

[duncan61]

Does anyone need more than 5 shells and probably one up the spout in a hunting shotgun.Trap and skeet you need a double barrel that you can spend any amount of money on to customise

[darwindingo]

Yes, as I miss jamming a ferret down a rabbit warren and shooting 1 for 1 ( some times we would get 7-8 or more on occasion) make a break for it in rapid succession ) took time and practice to become proficient enough to really quickly slip another few rounds in the old Browning 5 shot, to get them all.... The quick reflexes developed saved many ferrets on the numerous occasions that they were in "tow" so to speak Always could have got more if we had more rounds available ! We did lose one or two ferrets in the early stages..

[duncan61]

Thank you.You have answered the question.I was thinking ducks forgot about rabbits.If you need a tool or firearm for a certain purpose you should be able to get it.After the buyback a mate who ran a 1200Ha sheep farm obtained permission to have a .22LR semiauto cause he said he needed it.He did it to prove a point.

[wade06]

http://www.iceng.com.au/2016/04/27/adle ... xtensions/

I see that some gunsmiths in Australia are legally extending the lever action magazine to allow up to 10 shots.

You can't import but you can modify. Are there states where it is illegal to own these modified lever actions? Again I don't think that a 7 shot Adler should be the first gun law to get changed.

[Gwion]

http://www.iceng.com.au/2016/04/27/adler-a110-magazine-extensions/

I see that some gunsmiths in Australia are legally extending the lever action magazine to allow up to 10 shots.

You can't import but you can modify. Are there states where it is illegal to own these modified lever actions? Again I don't think that a 7 shot Adler should be the first gun law to get changed.

Not legal in All states. Some states only allow fixed mags of original capacity.

[wade06]

On one website it says "Modification of the five-shot gun to make it an eight-shot gun is legal in all states apart from NSW"

If this is the case I don't know why Senator David Leyonhjelm is making such a big thing about legalising the 7 shot Adler?

Personally i'd rather a 5+ shot pump or semi-auto but at least its an option for those who need it.

[Wylie27]

He is butthurt and he is trying to sway the shooting vote...

Also maybe he likes being in the news.

I think its ridiculous to think that five shots good seven shots bad.

To me the Adler itself isnt the issue, its the straw that broke the camels back and has made the shooting community realise we need to unite and fight..

[<<Genesis93>>]

.............THE POLITITIONS ARE PAID TO MAKE RATIONAL LAWS BASED ON FACTS AND GOOD SENSE FOR THE BETTER OF THE PEOPLE WHO VOTE FOR THEM.

THEY DONT. THEY WOULD BE SACKED IN THE REAL WORLD.

Actually, I dont think that is strictly correct..

The system was design as far as I'm concerned, as a means to convey the will of the people to the Parliament, and hence forth for the representative to VOTE in accordance with the WILL of his/her constituents.

There should ideally be little if anything that these individuals need to decide for themselves when voting....problem is the will is rarely conveyed to the representatives, other than a general 'feeling' of the community, or the extremely toxic vocal minority that is invariably and conveniently confused for the sentiment of the community as a whole, example, free the refugees and same-same marriage.

The party (policy) vote is treasonous to the people, as is the conscience vote crap... they should be voting per the will of the people,

Example, if Member of Parliament Bugalugs, had the majority of his electorate turn up to his office on Monday morning and stated that their 'will' was such that they wanted income tax to be fixed at a flat 10%....

Then its his DUTY to stand in Parliament and demand the same.

This concept would appear absolutely ALIEN to most of the brain-dead conditioned pop-cultured face-booking diversified de-gendered miscegenated masses......(thanks to the post ww2 cultural revolution that is progressively destroying our society... more and more... day by day)

and THAT's exactly how they prefer the game.

The argument of taking a policy to an election doesnt either hold water as political parties are 'given' control of the vote in parliament "Government" frequently with LESS than the vote of the majority of Australians, current Lib/Nat Gov received 42% of the vote, the Gillard government barely more than a third of the vote.

Oligarchy....that exactly fits our example of 'government'.

[doc]

I don't know why Senator David Leyonhjelm is making such a big thing about legalising the 7 shot Adler?

I wonder if the issue might be related to the ban in the first place, and the methods / logic used to come to that conclusion. (aka all fear mongering, and nothing based on logic).

To me, the issue here isn't 5 vs 7 shots, it's the way legal firearm owners are being treated, the fear, lies, misinformation and other methods used to introduce more restrictions.

[happyhunter]

Too much talk of "need", not enough talk of "rights". Genuine reason is a con job.

[Oldbloke]

.............THE POLITITIONS ARE PAID TO MAKE RATIONAL LAWS BASED ON FACTS AND GOOD SENSE FOR THE BETTER OF THE PEOPLE WHO VOTE FOR THEM.

THEY DONT. THEY WOULD BE SACKED IN THE REAL WORLD.

Actually, I dont think that is strictly correct..

The system was design as far as I'm concerned, as a means to convey the will of the people to the Parliament, and hence forth for the representative to VOTE in accordance with the WILL of his/her constituents.

There should ideally be little if anything that these individuals need to decide for themselves when voting....problem is the will is rarely conveyed to the representatives, other than a general 'feeling' of the community, or the extremely toxic vocal minority that is invariably and conveniently confused for the sentiment of the community as a whole, example, free the refugees and same-same marriage.

The party (policy) vote is treasonous to the people, as is the conscience vote crap... they should be voting per the will of the people,

Example, if Member of Parliament Bugalugs, had the majority of his electorate turn up to his office on Monday morning and stated that their 'will' was such that they wanted income tax to be fixed at a flat 10%....

Then its his DUTY to stand in Parliament and demand the same.

This concept would appear absolutely ALIEN to most of the brain-dead conditioned pop-cultured face-booking diversified de-gendered miscegenated masses......(thanks to the post ww2 cultural revolution that is progressively destroying our society... more and more... day by day)

and THAT's exactly how they prefer the game.

The argument of taking a policy to an election doesnt either hold water as political parties are 'given' control of the vote in parliament "Government" frequently with LESS than the vote of the majority of Australians, current Lib/Nat Gov received 42% of the vote, the Gillard government barely more than a third of the vote.

Oligarchy....that exactly fits our example of 'government'.

I agree. Just failed to mention the bit about representing us. Which I have mentioned many times. So shoud get sacked any way.

"To me, the issue here isn't 5 vs 7 shots, it's the way legal firearm owners are being treated, the fear, lies, misinformation and other methods used to introduce more restrictions."

Again agree. I find much of what media and the Polly's say bloody offensive.

[p3seven]

It is a sideshow to take the heat off Brandis..The idiot senator ( who says he is on our side). Spoke openly about "deals" when he should have negiotated quietly.

The PM seized the opportunity to show how tough he was and everybody else weighed in. The Brandis scandal is forgotten and the PM now has a big stick to beat the States around the head with. Poor Bugger Me.

[happyhunter]

I think it was more labor appearing to take the moral high ground and try and make the government appear "soft on guns". Other wise it was all orchestrated by the NFA honchos to tune the general public to support more restrictive gun laws.

Really, does the difference between 5 and 7 shot capacity really matter in terms of perceived public safety?

[<<Genesis93>>]

I think it was more labor appearing to take the moral high ground and try and make the government appear "soft on guns". Other wise it was all orchestrated by the NFA honchos to tune the general public to support more restrictive gun laws.

Really, does the difference between 5 and 7 shot capacity really matter in terms of perceived public safety?

I see it as the difference between 5 and 6 shots....it beyond ridiculous to say one is more 'lethal' than the other and poses a threat to the safety of the community....while the other is sweet, and can pass through our borders... just brainless nonsense....

And the talk about watering down JWHs gun laws... no one actually mentions the no-mag restriction for shotties is legal in most/all states!!

What the talk from the other side proves is that the reds (Labor) are vehemently against guns....and the talk about "it was the libs in 96 NOT Labor" is just a fantasy...

[Oldbloke]

For those interested Senater David Leyonhjelm is on. ABCs 24 Late Line tonight at 9.30

[Baronvonrort]

For those interested Senater David Leyonhjelm is on. ABCs 24 Late Line tonight at 9.30

Thanks for that will turn on the TV.

With all the fuss over the Adler we need greater unity with shooters voting, depending on whose numbers you believe we could have over 800,000 shooters or going by the Crimtrac annual report there are 1,9 million firearm license holders.

The crimtrac annual report is no longer online did anyone save a copy and if so would they like to share it?

Considering how close the last few elections have been if we had more unity shooters could decide who gets to run the country.

[Gwion]

1/ the 7 shot Adler is not illegal or banned; just prohibited from import.

2/ the whole 5 good/7 bad thing is just a way of trying to back door them into the same category as pump and semi.

[bones-350]

There's an engineer in Adelaide who can modify the Adler from a 5 shot to a 7 shot for a few $100.

I assume its perfectly legal otherwise the S.A. Govts puppets (SAPol) would have shut him down by now.

[<<Genesis93>>]

Here oldbloke, fixed it with some 'context'



^-those types are right now deciding on the future of lever shotguns in Aus...Melbourne Meeting of ministers....

My 'waters' are telling me they'll have their 5th? go at trying to 'convince' the recalcitrant state ministers that 'for the children' and 'for the safety of the community' they MUST get on board .... the on-board is the NFA that was finalised LONG ago...

By the end of the day will lever action shotties join Lever centrefire in Cat B...???

And if so, will a mag limit be placed on all fixed mag cat B.... (as I think about how many 44RemMag round I can jam into the win92....)

Adlers to Cat B, if so a 5 Round mag limit would be a certainty

[sandgroperbill]

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-2 ... ce/7954920