Definition of a fudd (disgraceful!)

[bigfellascott]

So what image do you think your Forum Name "Dead Kitty" is presenting to the fearful public - a good image or a bad one?

[happyhunter]

..or just de-regulate the lot and live happily ever after.

[deadkitty]

So what image do you think your Forum Name "Dead Kitty" is presenting to the fearful public - a good image or a bad one?

I think most people in Australia are supportive of killing feral cats, so to answer your question, good image. I know there are cat lovers and members of Peta etc who might be offended but there are also people out there who like Foxes, you can't
please all of the people all of the time. Cheers

[MR. WINCHESTER]

From what I've learned in recent days, the Adler 5/7 shot lever action shotgun ... is closer in function to a semi-auto, compared to currently catorgorised A&B firearms.

Consequently, I would be happy / encouraging for it ( Adler ) to be slotted into a catorgory C firearm.

[Gwion]

From what I've learned in recent days, the Adler 5/7 shot lever action shotgun ... is closer in function to a semi-auto, compared to currently catorgorised A&B firearms.

Consequently, I would be happy / encouraging for it ( Adler ) to be slotted into a catorgory C firearm.

How, exactly, is it "closer in function"?

[MR. WINCHESTER]

GW ....
Are you aware of what type of shotguns are currently permissible in cat. A&B, compared to cat. C ?

It would seem not ....

[happyhunter]

From what I've learned in recent days, the Adler 5/7 shot lever action shotgun ... is closer in function to a semi-auto, compared to currently catorgorised A&B firearms.

Consequently, I would be happy / encouraging for it ( Adler ) to be slotted into a catorgory C firearm.

Dunno man. My old Beretta A300 gas-matic got 4 shots off pretty damn fast. I haven't ever used the Extrema, but they come with the 12 shot option (where you can actually own one) and empty the tube super fast. You would have to be The Flash or that gut from X-man to get an Adler to cycle as fast as a genuine self loader.

[MR. WINCHESTER]

Although.... I will concede, that I could never understand why a lever / pump rifle is permissible in cat B ( N.S.W ) and a pump 12 gauge is Cat C.

[happyhunter]

Bad guys use pump shotguns. Don't you watch Hollywood movies?

[brett1868]

Without quoting Andreweden's full post...First up, I thank you for your service to our country. I think you're pretty well spot on the money mate, re-accreditation for semis on an annual basis might be difficult for the farmers but if a semi is licensed to a non farmer then treat it similar to pistols and have a mandatory number of club attendances or something to justify possession if used for hunting. There's no single shot requirements at SSAA ranges in NSW that I know of, I think the single round thing dates back to the days of semi-autos and young fellas rapid firing a full mag. Other (older) shooters complained about the noise and the single load rule was introduced. I'd love to see some of the more challenging comps like 3 gun being run locally. I've watched Jerry Miculek compete on YouTube and although he's getting on in years he's still at the top end of the scoresheets.

[Gwion]

GW ....
Are you aware of what type of shotguns are currently permissible in cat. A&B, compared to cat. C ?

It would seem not ....

Ummm... yes. Currently a lever action shotgun is permissible under Cat A.

The question was: How is an "Adler" closer in function to a "semi automatic"; from 'what you have learned in the last few days'?

[MR. WINCHESTER]

'Rate of fire / proposed capacity' !

Have you become the determining authority ?
Is this 'spurious' difference, perhaps that which has cursed the furore ?
Or, do you enjoy shoving your head in your arse ?

[Gwion]

'Rate of fire / proposed capacity' !

Have you become the determining authority ?
Is this 'spurious' difference, perhaps that which has cursed the furore ?
Or, do you enjoy shoving your head in your arse ?

So how does this make the "Adler" any "closer to a semi auto" than any other lever action shotgun?

People still revel over the "mad minute" with an old Lee Enfield 303; producing some serious 'rates of fire'; probably faster than most people could fire/cycle/point/fire an Adler. So, are Lee Enfields 'closer to a semi auto' as well?

[MR. WINCHESTER]

Mate, I've had to endure more than a few clowns trying to use a Chiappa ( sp. ) in a clays comp.

In comparison, ANY other lever shotgun will seem like a 'weapon to induce / solve Armageddon'.

[Gwion]

Still can't see how this makes it 'closer in function to a semi auto'.

The function is, by definition, nothing like a 'semi auto' as the gun does not cycle its next round by itself.

Maybe... MAYbe... closer to a pump action, but not a semi auto.

[MR. WINCHESTER]

Okay ....

Closer to a pump.

Which is catorgory C !

Thanks for seeing the light.

[Gwion]

The whole issue started with the advertising material stating that the gun combined technology from lever and pump actions. Hence "new technology".

This makes the gun more reliable and less prone to jamming (edit: that the "chiappa" and its ilk), which makes it desirable for people who need more than 2 rounds for dealing with mobs of pigs, etc.

Still, it it (from all reports, i've never shot one) is not any where as close to as fast as a pump nor as easy to cycle and point at the same time, which is one of the key advantages to a pump action.

I honestly think it should stay the same category as all other lever and i seriously don't think all lever actions should be moved to Cat C.

[Heckler303]

I would definitely be one to help out getting pumpies to category A, regardless of their magazine size (to put magazine size in an analogy, $10 to a poor man is so much, but so little to a rich man. Seriously, all the BS over a longer tubular mag is beyond dumb.)

[MR. WINCHESTER]

YES, Heck ...

I agree, but it's so damn political.

[Gwion]

huh... a few posts ago you were trying to convince me that a lever action should be pushed to Cat C, now you are agreeing that PUMPS should be brought back to Cat A........

Make up your mind, mate!

[Heckler303]

huh... a few posts ago you were trying to convince me that a lever action should be pushed to Cat C, now you are agreeing that PUMPS should be brought back to Cat A........

Make up your mind, mate!

That would be a compromise you could work with, swapping lever shotties for pumpies.


Screw your A-110s, the 870 is still the king.

[Gwion]

huh... a few posts ago you were trying to convince me that a lever action should be pushed to Cat C, now you are agreeing that PUMPS should be brought back to Cat A........

Make up your mind, mate!

That would be a compromise you could work with, swapping lever shotties for pumpies.


Screw your A-110s, the 870 is still the king.

Hehe..

Works fine for me!

[MR. WINCHESTER]

GW ...

I'm very much confused / undecided on this ...

I prosecute a case, but encourage at the same time and welome, a discourse of contrary debate ....

[AusTac]

I haven't read the whole thread cause can't be effed' but, i like your L's P's ideal Gwion, sounds like a viable idea, the good stuff semi auto/large calibers should be available to the people, not as hard as it is now but not as easy as say a cat A

[Heckler303]

Hmm...wouldn't mind the field model..

[duncan61]

The farmer with a gun manages or leases a cattle station which is probably 1/2 a million to a 1 million acres on average.Probably not a hobby farmer with a .22.I have lived and worked on stations in the N/W of WA and have found targets taped to water tanks by shooters zeroing or just having fun while travelling through.Shooting stock is common.I am with Dead Kitty on this attitude that the powers are trying to disarm us.Since F class was introduced to target shooting numbers of people joining clubs is booming.I believe it was introduced for elderly shooters to continue there sport but like basketball was for gridiron players to stay fit in a non contact sport it has become its own sport.It is only my own personal feelings but semi autos in anything make me nervous as you cant see if there is one in the chamber.shotguns can be left open when walking and bolt action can have the bolt up.

[duncan61]

I am not 100% on the details but a father shot his son or the other way round climbing a fence here in WA just before the buy back with a semi auto .22LR.Mini 14 Ruger was something I desired but who has to have a semi auto in.223 for hunting.I have just received my licence from WA police with the 3 additional firearms I applied for through the correct channels..243 .22Hornet and a 3 inch chamber CBC shotgun that was mine years ago.Handguns are concealable and I do not wish to be at the mercy of some drug nut with a handgun.Join a club.If you wing it and take it in the field thats your own choice.There has to be boundries of some sort

[Rifle realist]

Either a troll, or some idiot "hobby farmer" who has a bolt action .22 and slanders anyone who thinks they need anything more powerful.

Just replying to this. I know this pastoralist he owns (pastrol leases) totalling roughly 4 million acres, not bad for a hobby farmer, he owns and uses several rifles every day, he is also able to carry and use a hand gun on his property. He is a decent bloke who allows me access to his land to shoot as well as a few other people and I appreciate it. He is also fed up with idiots who shoot at anything with out permission to be on the place. So well done dkskipper for helping to deny more areas to hunt on over here. After that I won't be introducing any one to him.

[duncan61]

Thought that might be the case.It would be reasonable for city people from the East to not get the size of properties in the west without seeing it.Them lucky buggers have freshwater fishing and deer so its not all bad.Also I found the F class range hear in Perth it is at Campbell barracks which is close by

[Rifle realist]

Hi Duncan
I have not shot at Swanbourne, only at the 2 clubs up here. I am in the process of changing clubs at the moment due to moving closer to the other club. F class is good fun. I am torn between building a dedicated F class rifle or getting a .458 Win Mag.
The fellow I referred to in my previous post will give me a property letter, I made the mistake of telling him about this forum as he was getting interested in club shooting when he retired to the coast some where, he was disappointed with what he read on here, to the point of saying to me yesterday not to bring anyone new up. Like most station people they are mostly very hospitable and are pleased to see people,