What gun laws would you change?

Questions about New South Wales gun and ammunition laws. NSW Firearms Act 1996.

Re: What gun laws would you change?

Post by scotty87 » 04 Nov 2016, 6:25 am

bigfellascott wrote:
scotty87 wrote:Id pretty much implement NZ laws, seems to be the best balance of common sense and community safety and place a strong focus on Hunter safety with required shoots/competitions under supervision at approved clubs.


Why should we have to join a club to go hunting? :unknown:


Limit it to public land hunters and once per year for sake of hunter education and to remove the need to sight in in the bush. I wouldn't want to have the same problems as NZ with hunter deaths, it would be good to be able to say you took reasonable measures to prevent it from happening.
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Re: What gun laws would you change?

Post by bigfellascott » 04 Nov 2016, 6:42 am

scotty87 wrote:
bigfellascott wrote:
scotty87 wrote:Id pretty much implement NZ laws, seems to be the best balance of common sense and community safety and place a strong focus on Hunter safety with required shoots/competitions under supervision at approved clubs.


Why should we have to join a club to go hunting? :unknown:


Limit it to public land hunters and once per year for sake of hunter education and to remove the need to sight in in the bush. I wouldn't want to have the same problems as NZ with hunter deaths, it would be good to be able to say you took reasonable measures to prevent it from happening.


I thought you said NZ had had good safety measures in place? I'm confused. :? We don't seem to have a issue really with hunter safety here, you get the occasional accident but on the whole it's a very safe activity to participate in, I'd say there are a lot more activities which are far more dangerous and less regulated that the shooting side of things in general.

Hunting is a common sense thing to me, don't shoot at something you can't identify clearly, check and know your backdrop as such for any potential dangers etc etc, I personally don't load the firearm until ready to shoot my intended target, I don't care if they run off and I don't get the chance to shoot them, so be it, safety is no.1 for me - shooting game comes 2nd.

Most hunting accidents come from a lack of due care and attention (ie stupid people getting back into vehicles with loaded firearms) or people shooting at what they thought was a deer etc only to find out they shot their friend (clearly didn't identify their target did they) or did they? :D or people not having decent awareness re where their muzzle is pointed etc.

When out hunting with friends or spotlighting etc we have a simple rule and that is to notify each other when we are hot or cold and when in the vehicle we only load when we spot something that needs shooting and if no shot is taken for whatever reason we unload and notify each other of the state of rediness of the firearm, they are simple rules that have kept my and my friends etc safe, we didn't need some shooting club to learn this, it was just a natural instinct to want to live that helped us to work out what was safe and what wasn't :unknown:

You treat the firearm like it's always loaded regardless whether it is or isn't is the way we role - always have and always will (ie keep that muzzle pointed in a safe direction always!) :drinks:
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Re: What gun laws would you change?

Post by Baronvonrort » 04 Nov 2016, 2:12 pm

happyhunter wrote:
Baronvonrort wrote:
Heckler303 wrote:
Baronvonrort wrote:concealed carry for those with strict rules.



Such as not carrying with one in the chamber, Only drawing if absolutely necessary, proper holsters required, yeah?

I'd love to see the crime statistics in melbourne with home defence and cc being legalized.


I would be happy with the Liberal Democrats proposed gun laws.

http://www.ldp.org.au/policy/firearms

The only way we will achieve this is with unity from shooters at voting time.


haha.. but how many people would be happy with the LDP's proposed other laws? personally, being a purist libertarian, I like all their social policies bar the public health policy, but I rekon most people wouldn't like other LDP policies.


I like all the LDP policies, I didn't at first then did some research and discovered they have sound reasoning for all of them.

The reality is whoever gets to run the country wouldn't get half of what they wanted to do.

This little speech by Leyonhjelm is worth listening to if you have doubts about the LDP
www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVsI8KzFh3w
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Re: What gun laws would you change?

Post by VICHunter » 07 Nov 2016, 10:46 am

I support a minimum standard for hunting large animals, but doing it purely on calibre as they do makes no sense at all.

That a lever action shooting a pistol cartridge like the .357 should be legal, while many rifle cartridges and magnums which have far superior range, accuracy and carry 3-4 times the energy are illegal is utterly ridiculous.

e.g.

.240 Weatherby Magnum
.243 WSSM
.244 H&H Magnum
.25 WSSM
.250-3000 Savage
.257 Weatherby Magnum
.26 Nosler
.264 Win Mag

All shoot 100gr or heavier pills at velocities which destroy many larger calibre, heavier pill loading cartridges.

The .26 Nosler which is a new development is staggering.... but not legal.

A better system would be something like use any cartridge which retains a minimum amount of X energy at 200m.

The benchmark for this could easily be set by doing something like take data from ADI (or another suitable source), looking at the lightest pill and starting load that meets the energy requirement and going from there.

Any load of that pill weight and powder charge or higher in the cartridge would be legal.
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Re: What gun laws would you change?

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 07 Nov 2016, 1:29 pm

We have firearm policy being driven by individuals who, lets be honest, would like us to think they have a complete handle on 'gun stuff'....when their policy outcomes place them in the shallow end of the amateur league.... bringing us such policy as recategorising the lever action shotties on acocunt of them being new developments...recat of rifles that are black and scary..etc

If they had half an idea they'd use a muzzle energy criteria, and bring in such chamberings as the 6.5x55SE, but what they did in the last change (in VIC) was leave the Swede out, while bringing the 310Cadet in...to be Deer legal.
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Re: What gun laws would you change?

Post by happyhunter » 07 Nov 2016, 3:15 pm

Baronvonrort wrote:
happyhunter wrote:
Baronvonrort wrote:
Heckler303 wrote:
Baronvonrort wrote:concealed carry for those with strict rules.



Such as not carrying with one in the chamber, Only drawing if absolutely necessary, proper holsters required, yeah?

I'd love to see the crime statistics in melbourne with home defence and cc being legalized.


I would be happy with the Liberal Democrats proposed gun laws.

http://www.ldp.org.au/policy/firearms

The only way we will achieve this is with unity from shooters at voting time.


haha.. but how many people would be happy with the LDP's proposed other laws? personally, being a purist libertarian, I like all their social policies bar the public health policy, but I rekon most people wouldn't like other LDP policies.


I like all the LDP policies, I didn't at first then did some research and discovered they have sound reasoning for all of them.

The reality is whoever gets to run the country wouldn't get half of what they wanted to do.

This little speech by Leyonhjelm is worth listening to if you have doubts about the LDP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVsI8KzFh3w


Same. Decriminalized drug use and prostitution doesn't bother me at all and there is a big difference between something being legal vs decriminalized. A lot of stuff that is controlled or banned is all A OK under LDP, least of all being firearms and other weapons.
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Re: What gun laws would you change?

Post by lole » 18 Nov 2016, 3:29 pm

happyhunter wrote:Same. Decriminalized drug use and prostitution doesn't bother me at all and there is a big difference between something being legal vs decriminalized.


It's pretty much been proven in different countries over and over again to be nothing but good.

legalised or decriminalise it and the criminal element is starved and drys up, and people can get help where needed instead of having to suffer through things because of fear of prosecution.

Win - win all around.
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