Nobel 60 powder

[tarnagulla]

Can anyone recall what Nobel 60 was similar to, in other brands? Nobel powders have not been included in the ADI list of equivalents for a long time.

[newsteadvic]

Can anyone recall what Nobel 60 was similar to, in other brands? Nobel powders have not been included in the ADI list of equivalents for a long time.

Never used it, however a bit of googling suggests it is a shotgun powder:
http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ ... ding-data/

[Oldbloke]

Yes, definitely shot gun powder. I used it up until 20 or more yrs ago. I have the 2000 ADI manual & not in there. If I recall it was a middle of the road 12g powder. I found this in an old "Reloading Simplified" book. With some extra home work you should be able to come up with a load or two if the powder is still OK.

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[tarnagulla]

Thank you gentlemen - at least we know what it was meant for! It does appear to be in good condition.

[Aussier]

How long you had that in the back of the cupboard tarnagulla

[tarnagulla]

It was given to a friend of mine, who wondered what he could use it for. He loads for rifles and pistols, and as the powder was sealed and apparently stored well, he wants to know what it was roughly equivalent to, as a guide in developing loads.

[AusC]

I haven't done it and am not advocating it at all but people have been know to use various shotgun powders in reduced rifles loads.

A bit of research and careful development could see it in a rifle somewhere.

[Oldbloke]

I used it in my 30.30 about 30 yrs ago with 180gr cast projectiles. My first try at that stuff. Data was lost long ago. If my memory is good is was equivilent to green or red dot,,,, l think. Perhaps do some home work along those lines.

[Oldbloke]

Just found this.

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[tarnagulla]

Thanks oldbloke - my mate was hoping to use it more for pistol loads than rifle, and if it was around Red Dot (about ADI AS30/AP50) or Green Dot ( about AS50) he would be best to start with minimum AS50 (or even AP30) loads?

[Oldbloke]

When my nobels 60 ran out I replaced it with as50 because it was about the same burn rate, that is my line of thought. But do some more research, lm not certain and you need to be sure, it might go pair shaped if you get it wrong.
You should try to get some old realoading books/manuals, info should be in them

[tarnagulla]

G'day oldbloke,
I think you are right, I thought of AP30 loadings as a start point, if only because it is faster than AP50, but you obviously survived Low-end AP50 loads look like the starting point, and work up carefully.
Thanks for your advice!

[Oldbloke]

I am only operating on memory. I may be wrong. You should try and find legitimate data before you attempt to start re-loading

[Gregg]

I thought of AP30 loadings as a start point, if only because it is faster than AP50, but you obviously survived

He survived but look at that profile photo! The damage is done!

[tarnagulla]

You might have a point there Gregg!

[Oldbloke]

Lol, My hair fell out shortly after I got married, not burnt off.

[Sender]

Nagging is a killer of hair

[newsteadvic]

Here is some further data for using Nobel 60 - I found this package insert in my Lee Load All Junior 12gauge loader. However I have found the hardest bit to find at the moment is not powder or primers but shotgun wads. I use the Lee Load all to reload Win #4 shot with slugs. Un-do the crimp, empty out shot, place slug, re-crimp. I have shot a few with a 1 1/5oz slug and now also have a Lee 1oz slug to trial.

[AusC]

However I have found the hardest bit to find at the moment is not powder or primers but shotgun wads.

Maybe I should start a business selling them second hand.

A few of my state forest spots are covered with them from ****** who don't clean up their mess

[JhonHodNZ]

Realise this thread is now a couple of years old but looking for data on Nobel No 2 Pistol Powder. Came by two sealed jugs of it in pristine condition..any info much appreciated.

[Oldbloke]

JHNZ
What do you want to load?
I have a couple of old reloading manuals I can check out.

[Skinnerscott]

Just found this.

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Hi Oldbloke, I hope you’re still alive, this page is old as hell. I found the forum as I have a heap of Nobel powder. I have all other components but I don’t have the imperial primers. Is there a compatible alternative to suit?

Thanks in advance.

[Oldbloke]

I have no idea what an equivalent primer would be just try any std shotgun primer. Start at the low end.

That powder must be very old now. Could easily be off. Suggest you investigate signs that will indicate its too far gone before u try it.
Powder has a long life but needs to be kept in cool dry conditions.

[Skinnerscott]

Thanks for the prompt reply. Ok thanks. Will do. I didn’t know there was a low end to primers (I’m only new to reloading) I have vihtavvuori, cheddite, Winchester aa 243 and Winchester 209 primers. Is there a list that would tell me which primer is at the low or high end or are you talking about length of the primers?

[Oldbloke]

Thanks for the prompt reply. Ok thanks. Will do. I didn’t know there was a low end to primers (I’m only new to reloading) I have vihtavvuori, cheddite, Winchester aa 243 and Winchester 209 primers. Is there a list that would tell me which primer is at the low or high end or are you talking about length of the primers?

Sorry, I was not clear. When i said d "low end" i meant light powder charge. Use the lightest powder charge listed first.

Just use standard shot gun primers. Although not strictly correct they are generally interchangeable. Win 209 or
vihtavvuori should be ok.

Again, ensure powder is safe, ok use. May be beyond its use by date.

[6mm Remington]

All the best to everyone in 2024.
I know this is an old thread but I can absolutely confirm a safe load in "38 special" using Nobel 60 powder.
This load burns clean and is accurate.
Over 100 rounds tested and didn't even have to clean the revolver. (Colt King Cobra Target)

Winchester case
Remington small pistol primer
Boyne 125 grain RNFP "crimped well on the top, tapered canilure"
3.5 grains of Nobel 60

[mickb]

nice one mate, that would be a good cowboy action, kids training or small game/pest load. From memory and its probably better covered above Nobel 60 is around AS-50/Win -231 burn rates. A bit slower than As-30N, Red Rot, WST level but faster than Ap-70/unique level

[Aussieblackduck]

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Just came across this thread when looking for some information on how old my stash of Nobel 60 is.

I have a couple of sealed 5LB tins that as far as I can tell were stored in good conditions before I acquired them about 15 years ago. They have since been stored in Southern Victoria in wooden cupboard inside a large tile roof garage. In other words I don't think they have been subject to very hot temperatures, very rarely above mid to high 20's. Other Nobel opened tins stored in the same way, but not quite as old (60 and 80 series) still smell original and have worked well recently.

An article in https://www.rifleshootermag.com/editori ... life/83922 tells me that "When properly stored, an unopened container of smokeless powder has an indefinite shelf life, but once it is opened, the stabilizers it contains begin to slowly but surely weaken. Even then it can still last for a very long time."

And: "You can tell if a can of powder is good or bad by giving its contents a sniff test. If the smell ranges from no detectable odor to resembling alcohol, ether or acetone (from its solvent content), it is okay. If you get a terribly unpleasant, acidic odor that fries your nasal passages, extreme deterioration has taken place. The odor is difficult to describe, but my nose says the experience is quite a bit like taking a strong whiff of the fumes produced by muriatic acid."

So I feel pretty confident that they are good and safe to use.

But I do wonder how old the oldest tins are. As I said they are labeled as Net weight 5 Lbs, whereas later tins are labeled in Kgs.

If anyone knows when the labelling changed from Pounds to kilograms it would help to give a range.

They are the squarer tins with a paper label on the front and these older ones have a whiter label, where the later same shape tins have a Blueish shaded label.

The later tins again are taller and more rectangular. They appeard later with the 60 series but if I recall correctly, it was not long after that the 80 series appeared. It would be interesting if someone could pin down the approximate time the 80 series got the Australia too. And when they changed from ICI to IMI?

Some pictures showing the different tins. The 80 series and ADI tins are empty or close to it.

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Here are the newer tins and an older newer style imprinted tin that held N62.

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Here is a newer printed N62 empty tin.

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Any insight in to the various ages of these tins would be most appreciated.

[Aussieblackduck]

I have found this relative burning rate chart to be useful as it seems to place the Nobel 80 series pretty well. The 60 series would be very close the them.

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[Aussieblackduck]

Yes, definitely shot gun powder. I used it up until 20 or more yrs ago. I have the 2000 ADI manual & not in there. If I recall it was a middle of the road 12g powder. I found this in an old "Reloading Simplified" book. With some extra home work you should be able to come up with a load or two if the powder is still OK.

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Thanks for that. Did that manual have any data for the 60 series Powders in 20G? (There is some on the Tin's, but very limited)

Did that page specify what type of shell case? Or did it just assume straight walled cases?