Daddybang wrote:15,000 for a black market hand gun. maybe 1500 but I'm not in the illegal gun game so that's just a guess. Some people are really not worth wasting ya breath on.
Title_II wrote:If you carry a fun in Australia you will go to jail.
sungazer wrote:Im sure that smuggling in dope would be easier and more profitable on a weight and size basis. I would rekon that most illegal guns would be from Australian legal stock once upon a time.
sungazer wrote:Im sure that smuggling in dope would be easier and more profitable on a weight and size basis. I would rekon that most illegal guns would be from Australian legal stock once upon a time.
bladeracer wrote:sungazer wrote:Im sure that smuggling in dope would be easier and more profitable on a weight and size basis. I would rekon that most illegal guns would be from Australian legal stock once upon a time.
I would agree that most illegal guns by far were legally owned here, if you accept that they're illegal simply because they've never been registered. There are probably way more than a million "illegal" firearms still around. We know they were imported by the container load, they were sold to the public in the hundreds of thousands, they have never been handed in, so unless we accept that the owners themselves destroyed all these firearms or shipped them overseas then they do still exist out there somewhere.
But these firearms are not showing up in criminal activity or even in criminal hands. They aren't showing up at all. I'm talking about all the M1 Carbines, SKS rifles, AG42's, Mini-14's and such that many, many shooters owned in the eighties. In my book though, these firearms cannot be considered in the same analysis as criminally-owned firearms. They were made illegal by an act of the government, and may well be made legal again if we can fix our stupid laws. They clearly don't do any harm within society and it would be a immense waste of resources to go looking for them. Criminally-owned guns are generally not old legally-owned guns that went rogue. They simply import whatever they want when they want it.
We like to think ourselves isolated from the nasties on our little "island", but PNG is only 150kms away (David Walliams _swam_ further than that), the longest stretch of water is under 50km. Pulau Yamenda is 320kms and Timor is 450kms away. Boats or seaplanes would consider it a mere hop and well worth the slight risk. And I'm sure these places have literally tons of firearms lying around, and no problem getting more of the same.
sungazer wrote:I mean the minute that they are stolen puts them in the hands of crims.
grandadbushy wrote:You know its good to listen on this forum to peoples thoughts on black market guns and how much their disliked
so i've got a guestion ;How many gun licence holders have been prosecuted for dealing in hot guns?
I can't think of any
So why doesn't this send a message to the government for gun owners as a whole ?
The reason i ask is a fella up here was caught with drugs,hand gun ( not licenced ) and stolen goods he was given 2 yr bond
because it was his first offence
A licenced gun owner would probably get 2 yr bond loose all his guns and licence for good and most likely a hefty fine first offence
or not
I don't want to sound like a stickler but i don't think the penalties for dealing black market guns is heavy enough after all these people
know they are doing wrong so that puts them in the criminal basket
The only thing feared by humans is fear itself and until criminals fear getting caught and all is taken from them and only then will you see
a drop in illegal guns and illegal activity so penalties have to be appropriate
Cheers
grandadbushy wrote:You know i think to get everything back to being great in this land there will have to be several box's of rinso soap suds bought
Throw 1 box in the washing machine with the law courts, 1 with the lawyers, 1 with the police department , 1 with the pollies wash for 6 mths
then only keep the clean ones then things may change
TRIVIA ;a criminal was caught with unlicenced guns, no gun licence and drugs
He was charged with posessing firearms without a licence,unregestered firearms and posession of drugs
This sounds ok but why wasn't he charged with not having his firearms stored in a safe manner ?
Now has any body ever heard of a criminal being charged with not having safe storage ?
I haven't
Well we are not criminals and we would be charged if our guns were not stored properly as the law requires (PLEASE EXPLAIN)
Cheers
Cocaine is not easy or cheap to obtain anywhere, firearms however are relatively easy to buy at little or no risk in the US
happyhunter wrote:Cocaine is not easy or cheap to obtain anywhere, firearms however are relatively easy to buy at little or no risk in the US
Actually, cocaine is also cheap and easy to buy in the U.S
Wombat wrote:happyhunter wrote:Cocaine is not easy or cheap to obtain anywhere, firearms however are relatively easy to buy at little or no risk in the US
Actually, cocaine is also cheap and easy to buy in the U.S
Retail quantities sure. But kilograms? I dont think it would be as easy or cheap as you think.