Muzzle brakes banned (my local SSAA range QLD)

[Chronos]

In my relatively short 10 year career in shooting at all kinds of ranges I've learned a few things.

1) the people who complain about the way ranger are run are the ones who use them the least.

2) most of the loudest anti SSAA voices come from people who do the least to help run, organise and staff these ranges

And 3) if you don't like the way things are run and the rules put in place do something about it. Sitting back whinging because when you take your rifle to a range 2-4 times a year to get your minimum attendances (usually in the month before reports are done) dont complain about the way rules that are put in place after the guys that are there week in and week out mentoring people and training kids get together and decide that guys with more money than shooting ability turn up with FFP 32 power scopes and chassis rifles with brakes on them but can't shoot to save themselves so want to shoot at 50-100m with all the rimfire guys can go jump in the creek

Chronos

[Stix]

Well i agree brakes should most definately be accommodated for...!!! After all we all supposedly enjoy the same sport.

However I shoot at a casual club where you shoot what you want when you want...
And, i believe rightfully so, people get upset when someone rocks up with no 'respectful' notice to fellow shooters or RO's that he's about to unleash bedlam on others nervous systems by shooting a breaked 300wm or the likes.

One day a non club member (but ssaa member) stopped to shoot some rounds, plonked himself next to me--i never took any notice of what he was about to shoot....& didnt get any warning from this bloke which i think is just plain piggery...!

I sat down to shoot my .222, took up tension on the trigger...and...F**KN WALLOP...!!!
It blew the lid of my ammo box shut & my heart left my mouth at about 3000fps--left me flinchy for the next hour...
i tried to put up with it but 3 shots was all i could manage...so i had to move as naturally it was inconvenient for him to move to the empty end of the range...
I finally caught up with my skeletal system down the freeway half way home...

I have nothing againt brakes, but i have no respect for inconsiderate's with an over-inflated sense of self righteousnes who shoot them with no regard for other shooters.
I certainly wouldnt plonk myself in between a bunch of .22lr's shooting subs with my hot loaded 7-08 without first asking...

Sorry bout that rant ...its off my chest now...
Nothing against you respectful shooters with brakes...!

[Oldbloke]

"338lap was if I remember correctly 3 decibels higher than a 308 tikka lite, its the muzzle blast "

3db is DOUBLE. It's a big increase. That's if they know how to correctly measure the sound!

I went to little river about 6 months ago. Haven't been for years. And your right ROs didn't get a lunch break. Pretty piss poor.

Brakes are here. They should IMHO, be separated from other shooters. Simple really. Just an area put aside with some signage.

[Strikey]

In my relatively short 10 year career in shooting at all kinds of ranges I've learned a few things.

1) the people who complain about the way ranger are run are the ones who use them the least.

2) most of the loudest anti SSAA voices come from people who do the least to help run, organise and staff these ranges

And 3) if you don't like the way things are run and the rules put in place do something about it. Sitting back whinging because when you take your rifle to a range 2-4 times a year to get your minimum attendances (usually in the month before reports are done) dont complain about the way rules that are put in place after the guys that are there week in and week out mentoring people and training kids get together and decide that guys with more money than shooting ability turn up with FFP 32 power scopes and chassis rifles with brakes on them but can't shoot to save themselves so want to shoot at 50-100m with all the rimfire guys can go jump in the creek

Chronos

Totally agree, took the words out of my mouth lol, have been around a lot of ranges for the last 25 odd years and seen it all. If memory serves me muzzle brakes were not welcomed on any SSAA range, its only recently they have " tolerated " their use, personally see no need for them on a range as they are just plain obnoxious for everyone around and have no qualms in telling someone using one on a bench next to me where he can shove his muzzle brake especially if I am teaching one of my sons with a rimfire or air rifle

[Member-Deleted]

Gee sounds like this yes brake no brake saga is going to be here fore awhile '' Seeech ''
I don't have that problem at my club I've just got a large key ring with many keys on it and I just select a key
ring the owner let them know i'll be on their property close the gate behind me and lock it then start what I
came to do no arguments about brakes there
Cheers

[Oldbloke]

Are they generally speaking easily removed.?
Arn't they mostly just screwed on or use a grub screw?


Oops, just realised, the whimps who have them can't shoot them on the bench without the brake.. Just joking, so no point removing them.

[RoginaJack]

Sounds like Ripley to me, I’m pretty sure Belmont already have a brake ban

Nope, Belmont does not have a break ban but must use benches from about midway up. I was there last Wednesday and all was sweet.

AND SAM45, I reckon you're blowing hot air out of ya and yes, the last few weeks I've shot on the 1st 5 benches and there has been 2 young guys (223s), a 40ish (308), another (270) and 7mm Rem mag. sharing the other benches. If you want to gain a bit of knowledge ask a "old Dude", if you want to talk rubbish, well good luck but get your facts right...

AND at Belmont, as you enter the front door, have a look - there is a BIG sign re ear protection and also on the range proper!

[Browning]

Well i agree brakes should most definately be accommodated for...!!! After all we all supposedly enjoy the same sport.

However I shoot at a casual club where you shoot what you want when you want...
And, i believe rightfully so, people get upset when someone rocks up with no 'respectful' notice to fellow shooters or RO's that he's about to unleash bedlam on others nervous systems by shooting a breaked 300wm or the likes.

One day a non club member (but ssaa member) stopped to shoot some rounds, plonked himself next to me--i never took any notice of what he was about to shoot....& didnt get any warning from this bloke which i think is just plain piggery...!

I sat down to shoot my .222, took up tension on the trigger...and...F**KN WALLOP...!!!
It blew the lid of my ammo box shut & my heart left my mouth at about 3000fps--left me flinchy for the next hour...
i tried to put up with it but 3 shots was all i could manage...so i had to move as naturally it was inconvenient for him to move to the empty end of the range...
I finally caught up with my skeletal system down the freeway half way home...

I have nothing againt brakes, but i have no respect for inconsiderate's with an over-inflated sense of self righteousnes who shoot them with no regard for other shooters.
I certainly wouldnt plonk myself in between a bunch of .22lr's shooting subs with my hot loaded 7-08 without first asking...

Sorry bout that rant ...its off my chest now...
Nothing against you respectful shooters with brakes...!

Could not agree more. Love the analogies and have had the same experiences. Thankfully I rarely need to hit the range these days and I’m glad the rest of my time is spent in the field.
Each to to their, but glad I don’t have to sit next MB’s any more.

[Daddybang]

Gee sounds like this yes brake no brake saga is going to be here fore awhile '' Seeech ''
I don't have that problem at my club I've just got a large key ring with many keys on it and I just select a key
ring the owner let them know i'll be on their property close the gate behind me and lock it then start what I
came to do no arguments about brakes there
Cheers

Yep something to be said to be lucky enough to not have to use a range

[darwindingo]

I think OB is on the money with ranges setting aside an area for those using brakes, It would accommodate both those that choose to use them and those that would rather not be anywhere near them... It would not effect those that do their best to be respectful of others at the range and would negate the negative impact of the less respectful individuals..

It goes without saying that our shooting sports can be loud, but a little respect and tolerance for each other certainly can't go astray...

I have a big issue with the concept of banning something when there are other ways to resolve the divide...

[bladeracer]

In my relatively short 10 year career in shooting at all kinds of ranges I've learned a few things.

1) the people who complain about the way ranger are run are the ones who use them the least.

If I didn't enjoy my first few times at a range I wouldn't be going back unless I had to...

[andreweden]

My experience with my M98B in 308 with its muzzle brake is that I go to the far end of the range well away from people, after an hour someone comes along and plonks themselves next to me when there are plenty of other spare bays. After a few shots they make a face like someone has shat in their mouth and makes toddler like flouncy moves as they give up on shooting until the cease fire. They then announce that I should move because it is knocking them about too much.

I'm new at the range and move, but really!?!?!?? I was there down the end the RO asked me to go with my rifle and was there first. Today in the same situation I wouldn't move, I'd tell him to take a long walk off a short pier.

[andreweden]

Or to quote a pirate, I would be disinclined to acquiesce to his request.

[Stix]

My experience with my M98B in 308 with its muzzle brake is that I go to the far end of the range well away from people, after an hour someone comes along and plonks themselves next to me when there are plenty of other spare bays. After a few shots they make a face like someone has shat in their mouth and makes toddler like flouncy moves as they give up on shooting until the cease fire. They then announce that I should move because it is knocking them about too much.

I'm new at the range and move, but really!?!?!?? I was there down the end the RO asked me to go with my rifle and was there first. Today in the same situation I wouldn't move, I'd tell him to take a long walk off a short pier.

Well Andreweden...i rekon we get the dick you've described, & put him in a ceramic box with the guy i described in my earlier rant in this thread, & let the inconsiderate twats fight it out amogst themselves & we'll sit there laughing at them...!

As i said earlier, i hate shooting next to a brake but a little common sense & respect for fellow shooters goes a long way...

Unfortunately there are too many fwits that seem to think firearm ownership negates the need for common courtesy. ..especially as mentioned earlier by others--the d**kwits who dont frequent the range yet seem to think they're gods gift when they do...!

& just on that note, the twat i spoke about earlier in my rant said he was sighting his 300wm in for a long range deer hunt...he shot a 4.5" group @100m... (fair dinkum a right f**kn wa*k*r...!!!)..

[Stix]

Well i agree brakes should most definately be accommodated for...!!! After all we all supposedly enjoy the same sport.

However I shoot at a casual club where you shoot what you want when you want...
And, i believe rightfully so, people get upset when someone rocks up with no 'respectful' notice to fellow shooters or RO's that he's about to unleash bedlam on others nervous systems by shooting a breaked 300wm or the likes.

One day a non club member (but ssaa member) stopped to shoot some rounds, plonked himself next to me--i never took any notice of what he was about to shoot....& didnt get any warning from this bloke which i think is just plain piggery...!

I sat down to shoot my .222, took up tension on the trigger...and...F**KN WALLOP...!!!
It blew the lid of my ammo box shut & my heart left my mouth at about 3000fps--left me flinchy for the next hour...
i tried to put up with it but 3 shots was all i could manage...so i had to move as naturally it was inconvenient for him to move to the empty end of the range...
I finally caught up with my skeletal system down the freeway half way home...

I have nothing againt brakes, but i have no respect for inconsiderate's with an over-inflated sense of self righteousnes who shoot them with no regard for other shooters.
I certainly wouldnt plonk myself in between a bunch of .22lr's shooting subs with my hot loaded 7-08 without first asking...

Sorry bout that rant ...its off my chest now...
Nothing against you respectful shooters with brakes...!

Could not agree more. Love the analogies and have had the same experiences. Thankfully I rarely need to hit the range these days and I’m glad the rest of my time is spent in the field.
Each to to their, but glad I don’t have to sit next MB’s any more.

... ...

Well your lucky with little time at the range...hopefully ill get to that stage sooner than later...
But for me all available properties to hunt on are minimum 2hrs, 3hrs, 3.5hrs & 4hrs away...but the range is only an hour away...so the range it is for me when it comes to milking accuracy & trying out different components with a 5 rifles...
Cheers

[andreweden]

Bring on the ceramic box!

[Member-Deleted]

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[Member-Deleted]

Fair dinkim Stix he was setting up for long distance deer hunting with 41/2'' at 100 yds don't you just love these people
Sounds like he hadn't even worked up a load yet
Give him time a few bruises down the line he may be quiet a good shot providing he hasn't developed a flinch

[KennyA]

Surely it's more about commom sense and accommodation at your local range.
The thought of a SSAA branch putting in a 'ban' is beyond beleaf and very short sited.

[bladeracer]

Surely it's more about commom sense and accommodation at your local range.
The thought of a SSAA branch putting in a 'ban' is beyond beleaf and very short sited.

Is each club free to make up its own rules or does it have to follow an official stance from the State or National office?

[brett1868]

My experience with my M98B in 308 with its muzzle brake is that I go to the far end of the range well away from people, after an hour someone comes along and plonks themselves next to me when there are plenty of other spare bays. After a few shots they make a face like someone has shat in their mouth and makes toddler like flouncy moves as they give up on shooting until the cease fire. They then announce that I should move because it is knocking them about too much.

I'm new at the range and move, but really!?!?!?? I was there down the end the RO asked me to go with my rifle and was there first. Today in the same situation I wouldn't move, I'd tell him to take a long walk off a short pier.

That was the same situation that happened to me except that I unleashed the a-hole within and deliberately shredded his target when he reeled it in to patch. A .375 Cheytac at St Marys indoor range is probably the loudest you'll encounter and it makes the noise insulation on the roof rain down like volcanic ash. I was in bay 8 and 1-7 were free so why he just had to pick bench 7 I don't understand and then the hide of the tool to then complain about the noise...

If you like brakes and noise then go to the FCSA World Titles in the U.S during the last few minutes of practise....50+ braked 50 BMG's all shooting at the same time...

[marksman]

it's not the noise, it's the muzzle blast
the 50's are really intimidating to watch them I have had to stand at least 10 benches away or risk doing my back but its ok if you are directly behind

[Stix]

Fair dinkim Stix he was setting up for long distance deer hunting with 41/2'' at 100 yds don't you just love these people
Sounds like he hadn't even worked up a load yet
Give him time a few bruises down the line he may be quiet a good shot providing he hasn't developed a flinch

Yup...
Prob too smart to have the need to work up a load...
Too stupid to recognise a flinch i dare say...
Or too big an ego to admit he had one...
Or all of the above...
I didnt hang around to watch him, after 3 shots i moved.
All i remember was how switched on & professional he appeared with his umpteen thousand dollar chassied 300wm o/fit, & also vaguely remember him giving me the 'dumb down' look with my useless tikka 7-08 i was struggling to keep consistant .75" groups with, next to my .222 single shot i had there.

Next target change was wen he mentioned sighting in for LR deer hunt.
Thats when the truth came out--i grabbed my targets off the frame, then looked at his target, looked back at him & asked what he calls long range--i got no reply so walked away with a grin.

Effn monkey lover with microscopic genitals...!

Im there every shoot & havnt seen him since...hopefully the fwit is too embarrassed to ever return.

[Stix]

Surely it's more about commom sense and accommodation at your local range.
The thought of a SSAA branch putting in a 'ban' is beyond beleaf and very short sited.

Is each club free to make up its own rules or does it have to follow an official stance from the State or National office?

I cant be entirely sure blade, but im pretty sure the 2 ssaa clubs im in can make their own rules...it just has to go thru the committee & hierarchy approval process.
Cant speak for other clubs though...

[Sam45]

Sounds like Ripley to me, I’m pretty sure Belmont already have a brake ban

Nope, Belmont does not have a break ban but must use benches from about midway up. I was there last Wednesday and all was sweet.

AND SAM45, I reckon you're blowing hot air out of ya and yes, the last few weeks I've shot on the 1st 5 benches and there has been 2 young guys (223s), a 40ish (308), another (270) and 7mm Rem mag. sharing the other benches. If you want to gain a bit of knowledge ask a "old Dude", if you want to talk rubbish, well good luck but get your facts right...

AND at Belmont, as you enter the front door, have a look - there is a BIG sign re ear protection and also on the range proper!

Hot air out of my ass ..I have been going there a fair bit.. Thanks for the gainful insight to YOUR experince at Belmont. I gave mine, from what I have experienced over the last 2 years. Also I know the rules at Belmont, again thanks for the critique

[KennyA]

Surely it's more about commom sense and accommodation at your local range.
The thought of a SSAA branch putting in a 'ban' is beyond beleaf and very short sited.

Is each club free to make up its own rules or does it have to follow an official stance from the State or National office?[/quot



That's a question that I'm trying to get clarified from ssaa.
So far the ssaa national has referred me to the ssaa state office.
Three days later and still no reply from ssaa qld.
More frustration.....

[bladeracer]

There will be a set of SSR Standing Shooting Rules for the Range which you and every club must comply with. Then if you are a member of a club you could be further subjected to the rules and procedures of the club. Club rules cannot override the range rules which some part of will be signed off by the State or Territory Police

I understand that. I'm asking more along the lines of can the club invent its own rules based on nothing more than the whim of its managers with no recourse to the larger organisation. Like not opening on Sunday because it's the lord's day or not allowing left-handers in.

[RoginaJack]

Hot air out of my ass ..I have been going there a fair bit.. Thanks for the gainful insight to YOUR experince at Belmont. I gave mine, from what I have experienced over the last 2 years. Also I know the rules at Belmont, again thanks for the critique

You'r welcome and I look forward to your next burst of verbal diarrhea..