Building a proper first aid kit

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Building a proper first aid kit

Post by Lorgar » 24 Nov 2017, 3:22 pm

I've been sporadically looking for a first aid kit for a while but am yet to buy one as all the kits I can find for sale online are basically useless.

Other than a few exceptions which include scissors or a maybe a scalpel, they're all essentially a collection of more band-aids than you could ever use.

The larger kits don't get more comprehensive either, they just add more band-aids or similar items, e.g. one 300 piece kit on eBay at the moment has 50x band-aids, 100x junior band-aids (whatever the difference is :unknown:) 50x large band-aids... and so on. How many bloody band aids do you need? :roll:

They'll cover up more boo-boos than you're going to get in a lifetime - stuff that could happily (IMO) go untreated for a few days - but in the event you sustain an injury that requires actual aid there is nothing of use in them.

So, I'm going to go to a proper medical supply place and make my own.

My thinking and requirements are this:

I don't want to bloat the kit out to cover every possible little thing, I just want a small, effective kit that's of real use in the event of a serious injury e.g. broken bone, major laceration/bleeding etc

Between weekend getaways and the occasional major road trip I can be in places that have no phone reception, where the closest town could be several hundred km away, and where it could be four-wheel-drive only access for a considerable amount of the journey out; so no way to call for help, and no chance of a good samaritan stumbling by and helping.

I don't need too many of each thing either, in the event of someone sustaining a significant injury the idea is to have enough in the kit to apply some meaningful treatment/relief and get home, and the kit could be replenished after.

Here's what I have on the list so far and some quantity guides; it includes a few of the basics for minor things, but I'm talking quantities like 1 pack of band-aids, not a carton etc.

  • Band-aids - 20 pieces, variety of sizes.
  • Dressings/gauze - 10 pieces, variety of sizes.
  • Bandages - 5 conforming, variety of sizes.
  • Bandages - 2 triangular, for slings.
  • Splinter probes - 5.
  • Adhesive tape - 1 roll.
  • Butterfly clips - 1 pack.
  • Gloves - 2 pairs.
  • Saline wash.
  • Burn cream.
  • Splits - 2 of something like the Flex-All Roll Splints (If you haven't seen these they seem pretty clever, it's like a foam patch that rolls up one way to be compact, but when you curl it down the length like you do around a limb it goes rigid as works as a splint. Google it.)
  • Basic tools - Scalpel, scissors, tweezers, forceps.
  • Skin stapler and staple remover - I haven't used one of these but I figure it's a better addition than sutures and stitches; easier to apply on people who can't sit still for stitches or on yourself on tricky angles/spots. I've given myself stitches before and it sucks :lol:
  • Something to address clotting? Don't know my options here.

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Added to the list from forum suggestions :thumbsup:
  • Appropriate skin glue
  • Painkillers
  • Tourniquets
  • Betadine / antiseptic
  • Safety pins
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I think I'm pretty close but just wondering if anything has slipped my mind. And any info on addressing serious bleeding and clotting it would be handy if anyone's in the know.

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Post by sungazer » 24 Nov 2017, 3:30 pm

Gause pads and Elastoplast tape, some of the surgical type dressings are good, some even have betadine already in them. Pain killers and other medicens you may have or need for example antihistamines, antibiotics. You could have a look at some of the overseas travel type kits they used to have some good stuff in them.
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Post by Daddybang » 24 Nov 2017, 3:39 pm

3× compression bandages( essential for snake bite)
Superglue
And a pair of closing circlip pliers ( wrap a bandaid around the points and use a rock and rubber band to hold it closed ya got arterial clamps!!)
Thick rubber bands
And quickclot not sure where to get it !!!
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Post by brett1868 » 24 Nov 2017, 3:42 pm

Nurofen, Panadol, Super Glue, Leatherman, Latex tubing, Matches, Solar Blanket, Sulphur powder, Alcohol wipes are all that comes to mind. I believe there's a "Major Trauma" kit on the market that could be purchased then add the missing bits on your list.
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Re: Building a proper first aid kit

Post by bladeracer » 24 Nov 2017, 4:17 pm

I've never tried to list what is in my FAK but it's fairly complete.
Quikclot is worth having and takes up bugger all room (I ordered it from France).
Mine is all packed into a bumbag but I've just ordered a pair of molle pouches to replace it and make it more compact. When they arrive I'll have to transfer everything across so I can make a list then.
I'd like to find room for an oxygen bottle and defibrillator as well ;-)
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Post by juststarting » 24 Nov 2017, 4:29 pm

If you are serious about it, go to your GP and say what you've written here. Preventative medicine is a thing. Ask for antibiotics (if you're gone for a while), your GP will decide which ones. And, probably endone or similar.

Also worth knowing the difference between paracetamol (Panadol) and ibuprofen (Nurofen). It's worth having all three.

Consider a tampon and a sanitary pad. One to stop the bleeding, one to contain it.

Also, burn gause and elastic bandage.

Rest you seem to have under control.

I generally have a larger kit in the car and a small vacuum sealed bag with immediate requirements on me (pain killers, elastic bandage, leukoplast, pad, tampon - yes, both for heavy bleeding management, but not limited to only one cavity lol).
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Post by sungazer » 24 Nov 2017, 5:28 pm

Constipation medicine Im serious you can get really sick from that. The other way around is only an inconvenience as long as you drink plenty of water. For an antibiotic something like cyprofloxin it a pretty strong and wide ranging one. Nearly anyone will have some effect on bacteria at least slowing it down until you get home and find the right one. I lived in Asia for a few years where there were not really any doctors and certainly no need for prescriptions and lots of nasties you get to learn to self diagnose to a point.
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Post by Oldbloke » 24 Nov 2017, 6:40 pm

Lorgar, why not just have a good look in the first aid box at work. That should be a good guide.
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Post by darwindingo » 24 Nov 2017, 6:41 pm

Regarding the super glue, its worth mentioning the idea is to stick the epidermal layer only.. Not deep inside the wound... It can be difficult to see where it is applied, this is why I prefer Vetbond as it contains a dye that makes it easy to see where it has been applied.. Although it is more expensive, but not as expensive as say Dermabond..

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Post by AusTac » 24 Nov 2017, 7:13 pm

When i can make holes i carry gear to patch holes,

Minimum list for me is

Gloves
Chest seals x 2
tourniquet
Quickclot
Some sort of bandage either an olaes or israeli
And in sunmer a full 3m pressure bandage

I don't carry stuff i don't know how to use ( not aimed at anyone ) or stuff that i can't quickly improvise like a splint

Thats my firearms specific kit, have all different kits made up, the one in the car is a major hemorrhage + more general stuff, like bandaids, a variety of gauzes, dressings, some meds like immodium, hayfever, basic panadol best thing is training however, alot can be improvised :)
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Post by juststarting » 24 Nov 2017, 8:45 pm

Whaaa? No chest darts?

Training is interesting... I've done some training, but in the moment, most of that goes out the window (popping that cherry so to speak). You either react instinctively or bleed out or go into shock and then bleed out or, probably the most realistic scenario (since you're not going to be managing your own holes) have someone else go into shock and then end up with their puke all over yourself. And that special kind of sticky crusty feeling all over, when you're covered in blood, mmmmm, unforgettable. Good times. Suddenly you don't know what's what and why everything you touch is crusty brown and who is bleeding, because you distinctly remember it wasn't you, but it's all kinda loud and you are covered in blood and not even sure now if it's not you. :lol: I think training is great, but it needs to be continuous to the point of instinctive, not - oh I've done a course or two, 15 years ago (I have done a course or two 15 years ago, forgot everything). I am pretty sure nobody here does that. Unless that's the case, it's all child's play.

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Post by Gwion » 25 Nov 2017, 6:13 am

Been wanting to do a wilderness firstaid course for years. Might make a point of it this coming year.

My back country first aid kit is very simple:
- 1/2 doz steri gloves
- steri wipes
- 2× compression banages
- small pack of gauze
- elastoplast
- antiseptic cream

Can patch up most things, big & small, with that set up. Mind you, most of the time I'm out fishing. If i was hunting I'd carry tampons and maxi pads as well.
Best first aid is to be sensible and don't get hurt in the first place. I cringe at some of the unnecessary risks i used to take while out bush alone in my 20s. Some people never grow out of it. I still test myself from time to time but not when i am far from help and by myself.
Edit: oh yeah... small injuries can cause big issues if left untreated in the wrong environment. Don't discount them, especially if you are out for an extended period.
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Post by marksman » 25 Nov 2017, 9:04 am

I recommend salt in your kit for getting leaches off :thumbsup:
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Post by Oldbloke » 25 Nov 2017, 10:43 am

marksman wrote:I recommend salt in your kit for getting leaches off :thumbsup:
I pinch them from Maccas cheap as :drinks:


Yeah, good idea.
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Post by Bigjobss » 25 Nov 2017, 4:13 pm

marksman wrote:I recommend salt in your kit for getting leaches off :thumbsup:
I pinch them from Maccas cheap as :drinks:


Would that also work on mates that leach beer and cartridges?
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Post by darwindingo » 25 Nov 2017, 5:37 pm

Salt does the job :thumbsup: , but burning the kents off gives me more satisfaction... :twisted:
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Post by sungazer » 25 Nov 2017, 6:01 pm

I haven't heard of the blood clotting stuff before. There is no way I would give it to someone though. You might cause them to have a stroke and die. I agree with the comment on not doing something I didn't know how to do as well. Using the super glue for instance never done that before, I would be more worried about damaging the skin or more importantly any thing inside. I would be more comfortable putting a stitch in or two if I really needed to (done that). But for first aid pressure applied to the wound will normally buy you the time to get somewhere with better treatment.
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