Gamerancher wrote:On another note, for you fella's in Victoria, the Nationals for lever-gun silhouette are on at Little River, May 3-6, 2018.
So, plenty of notice there for ya. Get a load working and get to practicing your off-hand shooting.
I can also bring a couple of loaner guns if anyone is keen to have a go and doesn't own one.
I expect to see a bunch of you there, no excuses.
Tripod wrote:Have you slugged the bore on your rifle? You absolutely have to have the sizes right when using cast projectiles.
Gamerancher wrote:Fella's , I don't own a Marlin apart from my 39a, but my brother in law is a Marlin "nut" and I'm pretty sure he found slower loads to be better in his micro-groove barrels with cast bullets. Also .001 - .002" over bore diameter is what he has found to work best. A load of 7g of Trailboss works well in my Win '94, alternatively, 6.5 gr of AS-30. Both loads use 240gr cast bullets.
bladeracer wrote:Gamerancher wrote:On another note, for you fella's in Victoria, the Nationals for lever-gun silhouette are on at Little River, May 3-6, 2018.
So, plenty of notice there for ya. Get a load working and get to practicing your off-hand shooting.
I can also bring a couple of loaner guns if anyone is keen to have a go and doesn't own one.
I expect to see a bunch of you there, no excuses.
Can you give me a bit of a run down on what this involves? Ranges? Can we print targets for practicing? Is there a rule of thumb on how much terminal energy is required to drop each target?
Gamerancher wrote:Here's a link to the rule book. You'll find scale templates for the targets at the end.
https://ssaa.org.au/assets/disciplines/ ... e-book.pdf
bladeracer wrote:Gamerancher wrote:Here's a link to the rule book. You'll find scale templates for the targets at the end.
https://ssaa.org.au/assets/disciplines/ ... e-book.pdf
Thanks Gamerancher
Any comment on the required energy to knock over the steels at these ranges?
Or do you know of a forum that might be able to give me some guidance on that?
Basically, is the .44 Magnum a handicap, should I grab a .45-70?
in2anity wrote:Blade for CLAS the 44 mag will easily knock the rams over - they’re only at 200m. Even a 30-30 @ 1600fps knocks them over.
in2anity wrote:My 2c on the subject; the key is finding that accurate load with just enough power to consistently knock down the rams - recoil takes its toll after a match or two (and really effects your consistency) so if possible you wanna keep it to the minimum required.
bladeracer wrote:in2anity wrote:My 2c on the subject; the key is finding that accurate load with just enough power to consistently knock down the rams - recoil takes its toll after a match or two (and really effects your consistency) so if possible you wanna keep it to the minimum required.
Yep, that's why I'd like to load to what I need to knock them over at 200m, without going much heavier than that.
The 240gn JHP at 1250fps is pretty comfortable to shoot for my damaged shoulder, but it's only making about 450ft/lb at 200m.
Gamerancher wrote:Lucky they don't enforce plagiarism laws on this site ol' mate.
in2anity wrote:Yep, that's why I'd like to load to what I need to knock them over at 200m, without going much heavier than that. The 240gn JHP at 1250fps is pretty comfortable to shoot for my damaged shoulder, but it's only making about 450ft/lb at 200m.
bladeracer wrote:Thanks again
It may well be time to buy myself some more steel silhouettes.
I need to do some more work on the loads to improve accuracy I think.
I was thinking this comp would be irons only but it seems to allow scopes, is that correct?
I bought a peep sight for the Norinco .22 and am planning to find one for the Marlin as well, but I have it scoped currently for load development.
in2anity wrote:I was referring to CLAS (cowboy lever action silhouette) in which case scopes are not permitted; you can use a open, receiver (peep) or tang rear and a post or bead front sight (i.e no front tunnels allowed). I presume that's the comp you want to participate in?
High power rifle permits scopes; but that's normally shot with bolt guns (rams are at 500m) where accuracy becomes more important.
bladeracer wrote:That must be what I saw that made me think no scopes, missed it went I went looking though.
I like irons so I'll put in plenty of practice.
Far too early to say if I can make the comp, but at least I know it's coming
in2anity wrote:You're brave going irons - i can't shoot for s**t with dovetails, give me a peep any day!
bladeracer wrote:in2anity wrote:You're brave going irons - i can't shoot for s**t with dovetails, give me a peep any day!
Peeps are also iron sights
I struggle with irons these days as well, except at close ranges.
I didn't like the buckhorn thingie initially, but as long as I concentrate on the sight picture it is surprisingly accurate.
I picked up a Williams receiver peep sight that fits the standard dovetail on the JW21. I expect I'll need to modify the front sight to suit it but haven't had a chance to play with it yet. I haven't decided whether to get a pic rail peep sight for the Marlin or go with a Marlin-specific unit that replaces the rail. When I finish developing some loads and remove the scope then I'll decide on that.
in2anity wrote:I have the Williams FP-336 on my Marlin with a 0.05" aperture + the "long elevation screw" + "target knob" + elevation "locking knob" which gets me well past 200m mark on the mild 17gr load.
I'd order the FP-336-TK though in retrospect - it has all of those bits already (besides the aperture).
bladeracer wrote:in2anity wrote:I have the Williams FP-336 on my Marlin with a 0.05" aperture + the "long elevation screw" + "target knob" + elevation "locking knob" which gets me well past 200m mark on the mild 17gr load.
I'd order the FP-336-TK though in retrospect - it has all of those bits already (besides the aperture).
I did look at those but I don't like having all those knobs sticking out to get caught on things.
Do you know if it can be swapped in and out without losing zero?
in2anity wrote:bladeracer wrote:Do you know if it can be swapped in and out without losing zero?
Sorry never really payed too much attention tbh - just presumed the rezero was necessary.
bladeracer wrote:in2anity wrote:bladeracer wrote:Do you know if it can be swapped in and out without losing zero?
Sorry never really payed too much attention tbh - just presumed the rezero was necessary.
No worries
For $120 it might be worth having a play with even if I don't leave it on the rifle permanently.
I assume it works with the standard front sight okay?
sungazer wrote:Didnt the rules say something about no front tunnel sights though. The rules are pretty hard to read with the four different disciplens all in together. It would be easier if they had complete different sections even if they had to repeat rules that were the same.
in2anity wrote:bladeracer wrote:Thanks again
It may well be time to buy myself some more steel silhouettes.
I need to do some more work on the loads to improve accuracy I think.
I was thinking this comp would be irons only but it seems to allow scopes, is that correct?
I bought a peep sight for the Norinco .22 and am planning to find one for the Marlin as well, but I have it scoped currently for load development.
I was referring to CLAS (cowboy lever action silhouette) in which case scopes are not permitted; you can use an open, receiver (peep) or tang rear and a post or bead front sight (i.e no front tunnels allowed). I presume that's the comp you want to participate in?
"Rifle Metallic Silhouette" aka "Centrefire Silhouette Rifle" or "Centrefire Hunting Rifle" more colloquially known just as "high power..." permits scopes; but that's normally shot with bolt guns (rams are at 500m) where accuracy becomes more important.
sungazer wrote:Didnt the rules say something about no front tunnel sights though. The rules are pretty hard to read with the four different disciplens all in together. It would be easier if they had complete different sections even if they had to repeat rules that were the same.
bladeracer wrote:Is it possible to enter several disciplines on the same day?
Like I could do the lever action CLAS and maybe another class with the .303?
in2anity wrote:bladeracer wrote:Is it possible to enter several disciplines on the same day?
Like I could do the lever action CLAS and maybe another class with the .303?
Absolutely - so long as your rifle complies with the rulebook. And this is especially where recoil takes its toll - if you participate in 2,3 even 4 matches in a day, you get pretty tired, and the heavier the recoil, the faster you fatigue. This is why people are increasingly choosing 7mm-08 and 6.5 creedmore over 308 (for high power).
In regard to your 303 (which i presume is service) - there's not really a category for service rifles; it'd have to fall under high power I guess. And unless you have it scoped (and is exceptionally accurate), you'd be putting yourself at somewhat of a disadvantage I feel.
Blade have you ever tried "Combined Services" comp?