Revolver or semi style pistol your favourite?

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Re: Revolver or semi style pistol your favourite?

Post by Cryptic » 03 Oct 2018, 9:00 pm

Urastus wrote:The 30 sec rule was what we were taught at firearms course. No, obviously all the guys at my club have never experienced a delayed fire, or they wouldn't just eject the round, inspect then discard it :) If I went to the club right now, I reckon I'd find a few unfired rounds on the ground. Shooting rimfire through handguns I've experienced the odd soft pop; at least now I'd know to look down the barrel. Don't know how that works with a mark III though :) I can't imagine any training the ar guy had would suggest he just charge ahead; I think he stuffed up. I was surprised that the guy following with the camera didn't but in.


You can get rods specifically for squib load or just get get a peice of wood that fits your barrel and keep handy in your range bag. On my revolver I would just run from muzzle to the end to make sure no blockage. Same with an open slide on a semi.
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Post by Urastus » 03 Oct 2018, 9:05 pm

Rod_outbak it's funny you talked about sending shot shells out of your .45. Apparently the rifling makes the shot spread much greater and much sooner than a smooth bore. Rifled shotguns in the states are common for single slugs; some people have fired shot through them with extreme results
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Post by bladeracer » 03 Oct 2018, 9:36 pm

Urastus wrote:Rod_outbak it's funny you talked about sending shot shells out of your .45. Apparently the rifling makes the shot spread much greater and much sooner than a smooth bore. Rifled shotguns in the states are common for single slugs; some people have fired shot through them with extreme results


The shot tends to leave a big hole in the middle of the pattern due to the rifling, but at very close ranges it's probably irrelevant.
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Post by Urastus » 03 Oct 2018, 11:20 pm

cryptic - I was thinking that; a piece of skinny dowel. Bladeracer - watch from about 6:25 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38a7L60SLJs
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Post by Rod_outbak » 04 Oct 2018, 6:23 am

The .45ACP version of the shotshells is #9 shot, and there are approx 210 pellets in each.

I tested them out on 3Litre milk containers a couple of years back. At ~7 metres, it looked like all of the shot was contained within the area of the milk container, which would have been roughly 18 inches square? I dont think I'd bother going much beyond 8-10 metres for using these, but then thats about the maximum I'd ever use a .410 shotgun anyway. I havent seen the hole in the centre of the pattern, but then I doubt I'm shooting them far enough.

I had a pair of tomcats decide to hold territorial negotiations one night in the gum-tree outside my bedroom.
(How freaking stupid was that??)
2 shotshells at roughly 7-8 metres, and I had 2 ex-puddins on the ground, after very brief flight experiments from both.

The shotshells arent something I'd use every day. The CCI ones are expensive, and arent re-useable (looks to be some sort of light alloy). I first saw the idea from some old ammo my grandfather bought in the 1960's; there is a 10-round pack of factory brass .45ACP shotshells, and I'd always thought they'd be handy for certain situations. At some stage in the future, I will take a crack at making my own, but thats a challenge for another day..
I see CCI also make them in 9mm, .40Cal, .38/357, .45LC and even .44Mag. There are some warnings about using some of the line-up in revolvers, which isnt surprising.
I've had a visit from a 2.1 metre King Brown snake one day, who was most keen on getting into the house. Like a .410, the shotshells do minimal damage outside the target at close range. A single round to the head of Mr Fangboy, and we were sorted.

It's not every day you need a semi-auto shot-pistol, but it's nice to be able to have the right tools for the job...

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Post by bigrich » 04 Oct 2018, 5:43 pm

Rod_outbak wrote:The .45ACP version of the shotshells is #9 shot, and there are approx 210 pellets in each.

I tested them out on 3Litre milk containers a couple of years back. At ~7 metres, it looked like all of the shot was contained within the area of the milk container, which would have been roughly 18 inches square? I dont think I'd bother going much beyond 8-10 metres for using these, but then thats about the maximum I'd ever use a .410 shotgun anyway. I havent seen the hole in the centre of the pattern, but then I doubt I'm shooting them far enough.

I had a pair of tomcats decide to hold territorial negotiations one night in the gum-tree outside my bedroom.
(How freaking stupid was that??)
2 shotshells at roughly 7-8 metres, and I had 2 ex-puddins on the ground, after very brief flight experiments from both.

The shotshells arent something I'd use every day. The CCI ones are expensive, and arent re-useable (looks to be some sort of light alloy). I first saw the idea from some old ammo my grandfather bought in the 1960's; there is a 10-round pack of factory brass .45ACP shotshells, and I'd always thought they'd be handy for certain situations. At some stage in the future, I will take a crack at making my own, but thats a challenge for another day..
I see CCI also make them in 9mm, .40Cal, .38/357, .45LC and even .44Mag. There are some warnings about using some of the line-up in revolvers, which isnt surprising.
I've had a visit from a 2.1 metre King Brown snake one day, who was most keen on getting into the house. Like a .410, the shotshells do minimal damage outside the target at close range. A single round to the head of Mr Fangboy, and we were sorted.

It's not every day you need a semi-auto shot-pistol, but it's nice to be able to have the right tools for the job...

Cheers,

Rod.


sounds like it's lots of fun at your place rod ! :lol: :thumbsup: :drinks: :thumbsup:
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Post by bigrich » 04 Oct 2018, 5:53 pm

i bin thinking of getting my pistol liscence , classic revolver for me thanks. was just thinking a black powder civil war "horse pistol" (colt navy ? ) just for kicks. :thumbsup:
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 04 Oct 2018, 6:18 pm

Considering that the only way for me to get a pistol permit is to join the local pistol club, run by some really "special" people who would make excellent chum, I put that dream in a box and buried it long ago.
Given the choice though, mmmmm M1911A1.
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Post by gunnnie » 04 Oct 2018, 7:08 pm

Like both, no preference or one over the other. I like my Ruger Single Sixes, great fun plinking & possible of excellant accuracy. I sometimes carry a pistol for work, a auto 9mm, so I own a few autos in 22 & a 9mm. These I use to help improve my ability with a sidearm for work use.

Would like a single shot bolt for specialist LR handgun work.
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 04 Oct 2018, 7:26 pm

gunnnie wrote:Like both, no preference or one over the other. I like my Ruger Single Sixes, great fun plinking & possible of excellant accuracy. I sometimes carry a pistol for work, a auto 9mm, so I own a few autos in 22 & a 9mm. These I use to help improve my ability with a sidearm for work use.

Would like a single shot bolt for specialist LR handgun work.


In my brief sojourn into pistol shooting I had the opportunity to fire a Thompson Contender, chambered in 30-30, what a beast that was. I wasn't anticipating the recoil and the bloody thing tried to take a bite out of my forehead.
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Post by gunnnie » 04 Oct 2018, 9:08 pm

Not an unusual occurrence Gaz. Some folk don't correctly assess the possible outcomes in such situations. Have fired a 460S&W & a Desert Eagle in 50cal, both would no doubt be considered as hand cannons to be careful of. The Eagle was the heavier of the two & I figured it would be the more controllable of the two.

The 460 was the nastier of the two & left a numb sensation in my right hand for an hour or so.

In a single shot I'd be interested to test either a 30Herret, 32-20, 25-223 or 22Hornet.
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Post by Rod_outbak » 04 Oct 2018, 9:10 pm

I had a bloke here once with a BFR in .30-30.
What a freaking monster that was!
Initially, I assumed he was running some reduced-load made up for the revolver.
Nope; off-the-shelf 150Gn RN factory loads.
Faaaarrrrrrkkkk!!!
Of course; had to take a couple of shots with it.
Surprisingly controllable; pretty mild recoil, considering the side of the cartridges.
Fairly accurate, too! I remember I was hitting a target ~60 metres away, that would have been plenty good enough to nail a small pig.
[Probably would have done better if I'd moved past the shock & awe...]
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Post by Cryptic » 04 Oct 2018, 9:39 pm

I want to get one of the 460s at some point. Will probably load 45lc for the indoor local and some form of 454 or 460 for outdoor fun and silhouette.
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 04 Oct 2018, 9:41 pm

Rod_outbak wrote:I had a bloke here once with a BFR in .30-30.
What a freaking monster that was!
Initially, I assumed he was running some reduced-load made up for the revolver.
Nope; off-the-shelf 150Gn RN factory loads.
Faaaarrrrrrkkkk!!!
Of course; had to take a couple of shots with it.
Surprisingly controllable; pretty mild recoil, considering the side of the cartridges.
Fairly accurate, too! I remember I was hitting a target ~60 metres away, that would have been plenty good enough to nail a small pig.
[Probably would have done better if I'd moved past the shock & awe...]


The Thompson twisted as hard as it bucked, damn near broke my wrist. The web of my thumb was swollen and sore for several days after, made me feel like a right girly-boy considering Old Mate who owned it would fire 40 or 50 rounds at at time. Mind you, Old Mate had hands like legs of ham.

And there was me all impressed at firing hot loads from the 1911. :crazy:
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Post by Urastus » 05 Oct 2018, 1:26 pm

There's also a hole in the centre for 20 meters or so caused by the plastic wad. You can clearly see this in the video link I gave: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38a7L60SLJs. I can remember using rat shot on rats as a kid out of .22 single shot. I just thought the rifling thing was interesting, and it makes sense, but for sure still goes a way before the effect really starts to jump in. I don't think it would be any good duck shooting though :D As a side note re the rifled shotguns; there are states in the US where there is some strange rule that you can only use straight walled cartridges - presumably being pistol rounds. So people are hunting with exotic stuff like .450 bushmaster and single slug shot guns. I guess it's to limit the range of the fired round for safety reasons.
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Post by Urastus » 05 Oct 2018, 8:19 pm

I was set on a ruger mkiv stainless .22 hunter, and then something like a cz shadow 2 for doing those events (you know, all the double tapping stuff from different stations etc). That was based on logic and research; not my heart. Now I think I want a .22 revolver and a .357 revolver, probably both ruger. I really like the look of korf revolvers, but don't see any distributors / sellers in Aus; and they look way out of my price range. I like the look of GP100 in both .22 and .357. The 1757 in .22 (5.5" barrel, 10 rounds) and the 1707 in .357 (6" barrel, 6 rounds). I see there's a revolver class in ipsc, no size limits. Only thing is at my club I'm guessing they'll only have auto (small club)
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 05 Oct 2018, 8:28 pm

Korth are nice looking weapons, but the prices, my eyes are still watering just from looking at the ad.

That's $US too.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/787211585
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Post by Urastus » 05 Oct 2018, 8:48 pm

Here Gaznazdiak, some more korth porn :) https://kortharms.com/en/national-standard-6-zoll.html
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 05 Oct 2018, 8:52 pm

Urastus wrote:Here, some korth porn :) https://kortharms.com/en/national-standard-6-zoll.html


I got all inappropriate over that.

That's pure filth eh?

But the 1911 is the one that stirs the wood for me :oops:
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Post by Urastus » 05 Oct 2018, 11:06 pm

Something for everyone :) I do like the look of the grip, that trigger which I assume stays vertical as it is squeezed? And the external hammer.
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Re: Revolver or semi style pistol your favourite?

Post by Cryptic » 06 Oct 2018, 12:16 pm

Urastus if you are looking at revolver and IPSC look into ICORE it is dedicated to revolvers and much like IPSC.
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Post by Urastus » 06 Oct 2018, 5:32 pm

Thanks Cryptic. I'm going to the club tomorrow; I'll ask what they do there. There's another club nearby too (we've moved recently) where I did my course - I'll ask there as well. They're not big clubs, and it seems everything is geared to 9mm autos, all because of the fateful day in America, which is kind of bs because apparently the real issue was that none of those fbi agents could hit anything (.38 special to 9mm to 10mm to .40 s&w and now back to 9mm); and we follow suit because of economics I suppose (sigh). It's a comical story similar to the cane toad story here in Australia :)
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Post by bladeracer » 07 Oct 2018, 2:53 pm

Urastus wrote:Thanks Cryptic. I'm going to the club tomorrow; I'll ask what they do there. There's another club nearby too (we've moved recently) where I did my course - I'll ask there as well. They're not big clubs, and it seems everything is geared to 9mm autos, all because of the fateful day in America, which is kind of bs because apparently the real issue was that none of those fbi agents could hit anything (.38 special to 9mm to 10mm to .40 s&w and now back to 9mm); and we follow suit because of economics I suppose (sigh). It's a comical story similar to the cane toad story here in Australia :)


The reason for moving back to 9mm is the newer bullet designs make them far more capable than they were thirty years ago. The reason we can't use bigger than 9mm/.38 in IPSC anymore is purely bureaucratic, not economic.
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Post by Urastus » 08 Oct 2018, 10:26 am

9mm is really quite good, it seems. I also came across .327, which looks awesome for a flatter shooting round, but not enough market commitment. 9mm is mostly driven by the US; their whole emphasis on handgun ownership seems to be self defense, so they want something that makes a bigger hole, manageable muzzle flip for follow up shots etc. I don't really need something that makes a big hole :D I'd probably like something that shoots flat to 100m - maybe even a .22wmr? But that wouldn't satisfy the events I'm interested in. I don't know if you've come across this dude blade, he seems no bs; he used to train marines in marksmanship. This is an interesting story if you're into handguns (the 2nd link goes into the story) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTTDgZZZFa0

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Post by bladeracer » 08 Oct 2018, 11:08 am

Urastus wrote:9mm is really quite good, it seems. I also came across .327, which looks awesome for a flatter shooting round, but not enough market commitment. 9mm is mostly driven by the US; their whole emphasis on handgun ownership seems to be self defense, so they want something that makes a bigger hole, manageable muzzle flip for follow up shots etc. I don't really need something that makes a big hole :D I'd probably like something that shoots flat to 100m - maybe even a .22wmr? But that wouldn't satisfy the events I'm interested in. I don't know if you've come across this dude blade, he seems no bs; he used to train marines in marksmanship. This is an interesting story if you're into hadguns https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTTDgZZZFa0

and this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv8cByaVyNQ


Yep, I downloaded Paul Harrell's entire channel a couple years back, watch them regularly.
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Post by Urastus » 08 Oct 2018, 7:07 pm

A couple of other calibers I liked the sound of are the 221 fireball and FN 5.7x28. Both flat shooters, but pretty much unsupported by manufacturers. If possible, definitely in the stupidly expensive realm because of their non popularity. Right now ruger make .327 federal magnum revolvers (gp100), but you can't get the ammo anywhere. I think we have a bit of an identity crisis :) Handguns in the US civilian population are primarily for self defense, handguns here for the civilian population are primarily (and mostly legally) for club use.
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Post by Urastus » 08 Oct 2018, 7:23 pm

I'll probably get a 357 and mostly run .38 super +p, which looks doable especially reloading. Another good looking flat shooter, apparently, is the 357 sig. Again, ammo is the problem.
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Post by bladeracer » 08 Oct 2018, 7:29 pm

Urastus wrote:A couple of other calibers I liked the sound of are the 221 fireball and FN 5.7x28. Both flat shooters, but pretty much unsupported by manufacturers. If possible, definitely in the stupidly expensive realm because of their non popularity. Right now ruger make .327 federal magnum revolvers (gp100), but you can't get the ammo anywhere. I think we have a bit of an identity crisis :) Handguns in the US civilian population are primarily for self defense, handguns here for the civilian population are primarily (and mostly legally) for club use.


I don't see much point in the 5.7 for civilian use, but it offers some small advantages for military/LEO stuff - defeating body armour while maintaining low risk to bystanders. It allows using the same ammo in a sidearm and a carbine, but really it just means you have a weak carbine.
It's basically a centrefire .22WMR which has the advantage of being reloadable so you can tailor it to suit your needs.

.221 Fireball I know nothing about, but I would think a tight-twist .223 would be a better choice and just load it down to .221 levels if you want, while keeping the heavier bullet/higher velocity capabilities of the .223.

I have been a little intrigued by the .327 Mag though as I've seen a lever rifle chambered for it. But I doubt I would own one as the .357 Mag already does everything the .327 offers.

While a lot of people in the US own and carry handguns for defence purposes, I think they still get used mostly for plinking at targets and competition, but it is a very different market to ours where we have a very limited range of uses.
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Post by bladeracer » 08 Oct 2018, 7:37 pm

Urastus wrote:I'll probably get a 357 and mostly run .38 super +p, which looks doable especially reloading. Another good looking flat shooter, apparently, is the 357 sig. Again, ammo is the problem.


I wouldn't be concerned about flat-shooting in a handgun, range is limited by sight radius more than by trajectory. From the muzzle out to 100m you can pretty much hold dead-on with a 9mm semi-auto.
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Post by Urastus » 08 Oct 2018, 10:31 pm

6" drop for 9mm at 100 yards (91m), according to Paul :) 5.7 at 100 yards, 0. It's not just that, sure 9mm can do it, but why not have a caliber that is good for targets and comps? With rifles we have .308 which is good for shooting deer, but the 6.5cm is supposedly king on the range and less recoil with a smaller slug. You don't need huge recoil or a big slug. 9mm is a compromise really for self defense; it makes a big hole, it punches through layers of clothing blah blah, reasonable recoil, reasonable follow up shots. I'll probably end up with 9mm, because it's easy (cheap, wide availability). But I think there are better rounds for what us club shooters do, or want to do. I'd take a poke at the 200m gong :)
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