xDom wrote:While generally achievable, my concern with the brain shot standard is that it is a small target and, as such, offers a high margin for error. Misjudge the wind, or have it shift on you at the last moment, pull a shot, or shiver at the wrong moment on a cold night, and the kangaroo may suffer an awful, lingering death with a broken jaw.
xDom wrote:Fair enough, I’m just starting out. I’m interested in all opinions.
Stix wrote:bigfellascott wrote:SCJ429 wrote:What about a 22 or 6mmBR, they are lots of fun to shoot and very accurate.
Or the mighty 204 Ruger. Flat, fast and devistating.
Nah not the best choice for roos (doable but a little marginal I find at times) I actually find the 222 a better killer of roos than the 204 I guess the 50gn v 40gn makes a bit more difference more so than velocity in this case.
Sorry bigfella...forgive me, but i csnt help but ask...How do you get a "marginally dead roo" at times...?
Seriously...thats fukn funny man...!!
If they're not dead, you're not hitting them in the right spot.
The 40gr out of 204 is an emphatic kill out to 200--given shot placement...
However, with a small bullet out that far, i only shoot if im comfortable with the wind, & i wait for them to turn side on or look away so i can be sure of putting the bullet into the box...
(The wait for them to turn is frustrating at times , but i rather that than have to follow up).
Im not sure what the energy & wind drift difference is from a 22 cal 50 or 55gr, to a 20 cal 40gr out at 200 with standard velocities...but it'd be interesting to know.
Anyone able to put that up...?
Flutch is correct--Roo Farmer will need a 22 cal if its pro harvesting...
bigfellascott wrote:Stix wrote:bigfellascott wrote:SCJ429 wrote:What about a 22 or 6mmBR, they are lots of fun to shoot and very accurate.
Or the mighty 204 Ruger. Flat, fast and devistating.
Nah not the best choice for roos (doable but a little marginal I find at times) I actually find the 222 a better killer of roos than the 204 I guess the 50gn v 40gn makes a bit more difference more so than velocity in this case.
Sorry bigfella...forgive me, but i csnt help but ask...How do you get a "marginally dead roo" at times...?
Seriously...thats fukn funny man...!!
If they're not dead, you're not hitting them in the right spot.
The 40gr out of 204 is an emphatic kill out to 200--given shot placement...
However, with a small bullet out that far, i only shoot if im comfortable with the wind, & i wait for them to turn side on or look away so i can be sure of putting the bullet into the box...
(The wait for them to turn is frustrating at times , but i rather that than have to follow up).
Im not sure what the energy & wind drift difference is from a 22 cal 50 or 55gr, to a 20 cal 40gr out at 200 with standard velocities...but it'd be interesting to know.
Anyone able to put that up...?
Flutch is correct--Roo Farmer will need a 22 cal if its pro harvesting...
Sorry Stix, I know I should bow to your vast years of experience shooting in general and roos in particular mate and your obvious talent behind the rifle is clear for all to see but I can tell you I've seen plenty of em hit with 204 and 222 and 22.250 and 223 and the 204 was the least effective, yes they died soon after but the others seemed to shut them down there and then as a rule, I've seen em with their complete brain sitting next to their heads and still carrying on flipping about, never seen it using any of the other cals and I've seen that many times with the 204, I'd much rather use the others these days (not that I really bother with roos much these days).
Yes I know they are dead but it's like it hasn't fully shut the kill switch off in em for whatever reason, anyway I know which cals I prefer and each to his own, love the 204 for foxes and cats etc and that's pretty much what I use mine for these days.
P.S. had a big boar the other day that didn't want to die either, 3 shots in the melon from the 308 at 5m (was about 300kg and 2m long) before it finally stopped wanting to live and that was the final one between the eyes which then entered the heart/lungs going by the frothy bloody that poured out of its mouth.
Some things just don't wanna stop living even when you encourage em to several times
Stix wrote:bigfellascott wrote:Stix wrote:bigfellascott wrote:SCJ429 wrote:What about a 22 or 6mmBR, they are lots of fun to shoot and very accurate.
Or the mighty 204 Ruger. Flat, fast and devistating.
Nah not the best choice for roos (doable but a little marginal I find at times) I actually find the 222 a better killer of roos than the 204 I guess the 50gn v 40gn makes a bit more difference more so than velocity in this case.
Sorry bigfella...forgive me, but i csnt help but ask...How do you get a "marginally dead roo" at times...?
Seriously...thats fukn funny man...!!
If they're not dead, you're not hitting them in the right spot.
The 40gr out of 204 is an emphatic kill out to 200--given shot placement...
However, with a small bullet out that far, i only shoot if im comfortable with the wind, & i wait for them to turn side on or look away so i can be sure of putting the bullet into the box...
(The wait for them to turn is frustrating at times , but i rather that than have to follow up).
Im not sure what the energy & wind drift difference is from a 22 cal 50 or 55gr, to a 20 cal 40gr out at 200 with standard velocities...but it'd be interesting to know.
Anyone able to put that up...?
Flutch is correct--Roo Farmer will need a 22 cal if its pro harvesting...
Sorry Stix, I know I should bow to your vast years of experience shooting in general and roos in particular mate and your obvious talent behind the rifle is clear for all to see but I can tell you I've seen plenty of em hit with 204 and 222 and 22.250 and 223 and the 204 was the least effective, yes they died soon after but the others seemed to shut them down there and then as a rule, I've seen em with their complete brain sitting next to their heads and still carrying on flipping about, never seen it using any of the other cals and I've seen that many times with the 204, I'd much rather use the others these days (not that I really bother with roos much these days).
Yes I know they are dead but it's like it hasn't fully shut the kill switch off in em for whatever reason, anyway I know which cals I prefer and each to his own, love the 204 for foxes and cats etc and that's pretty much what I use mine for these days.
P.S. had a big boar the other day that didn't want to die either, 3 shots in the melon from the 308 at 5m (was about 300kg and 2m long) before it finally stopped wanting to live and that was the final one between the eyes which then entered the heart/lungs going by the frothy bloody that poured out of its mouth.
Some things just don't wanna stop living even when you encourage em to several times
Yep...righto bigfella...no worries...
Didnt mean it the way you took it..id happily take the piss out of myself if i said it....ah well you get that...
I didnt think id have to explain it, but i get what you mean--infact ive experienced it my entire life, as most of us shooters who are honest have...but the reality is, if a bullet hits the right spot, yes even a small 40gn bullet out of a 204 at 220 yds, there is no delay in death...period...!
If you're getting many roos flipping about & not dying instantly from your 204, may i suggest you sight check the rifle...
I had that on my last outing with my blasted 22-250, (although they werent flipping about, they were just down & out but not dead), so after the 3rd one, i put it away & shot the rest of the night with the back-up rifle & didnt have an issue...
Upon checking it next day, sure enough POI had changed...common sense really.
And i dont think im gods gift, infact ive only just started shooting them (roos) under a contract, but i have confidence in the shots i take because i dont push my boundaries... if im not entirely confident of the shot, i just dont take it--i dont let anything get in the way of that--especially not ego...& anything much beyond 150 yds & im either out over the bonnet or in the tray over the roof following the bullet into the brain box mate...im not the cowboy you & your pro roo shooter mate here makes himself out to be...
And if you are seriously going to try to convice me you put 3 X 30 cal copper jacketed bullets into the brain of roo at as good as muzzle velocity & it was still alive, id suggest saving your words for convicing your mate duncan of such utterly ridiculous immortal zombie type fiction...
By the way...if the roo was leaking frothing blood out its mouth, its most likely a lung shot mate...and being so close for finishing shots, you should hold over one-n-a-half inches or so...or better still...be sensible about it & carry a rimfire if youre not willing to finish it with a knife or instant blunt force...
And Duncan, amazing zen type use of the force skills there...im truely in awe of you being able to tell when ive consumed alcohol...even when i dont...!!
And thanks so much for your kind words, its ironic you mention alcohol, cos i was just just thinking how id wuv de'Av a beer wif duncan, cuth dincan'th me mayte...
But i understand you're too busy for a beer cos you're probably fetching more tissues for the big fella...
duncan61 wrote:Again I have never seen drunk writing and I am laughing my head off.If you read it it sounds under the influence.I am sure you mentioned drinking at about 8.00 and this was posted 3 hrs later.Its all good fun.I am 58 and 2 full strength beers and the pain has gone away.good luck with the contract shooting If I could sell a carcass I would still do it a few times a year.Who buys them where you are.Macro???
Roo farmer wrote:Obviously the 223 is widely regarded as the standard for roo shooting, and that's what I'm using now. The roos I'm stuck with at the moment are pretty wild and it's difficult to get close to them. Head shots are the only option to comply with the regulations.
So for a bit more reach, is it worth going for a 22-250? Does the extra noise scare the roos more anyway? How much shorter would the expected barrel life be?
Pros -
A bit more range and slightly flatter trajectory.
Cons -
Louder
Slightly more powder
Shorter barrel life
Is it worth it?
Anyone else been through the same process?
Anything else to consider?
I have a 243 but it costs too much per shot for roos. We're talking thousands of shots per year.
SCJ429 wrote:You can get 32 grain ZMax for a 204 for around $90 per 500. I prefer the 39 grain Blitzkings for around 40c each or the 39 grain Speer TNT for around 27c a pop.
bigfellascott wrote:Go the 22/250 RF, it will sort those longer shots out no worries at all. What projectile do you use on the hoppers?
I love the bulk Sierra Super Roos, they are brilliant for the skippies hence the name and I was getting them for $110 a 1000 so cheap too.
Roo farmer wrote:bigfellascott wrote:Go the 22/250 RF, it will sort those longer shots out no worries at all. What projectile do you use on the hoppers?
I love the bulk Sierra Super Roos, they are brilliant for the skippies hence the name and I was getting them for $110 a 1000 so cheap too.
Yeah I'm using the Sierra super roos, because they are cheap. The price in South Australian gun shops varies from $220 to $250 per 1000. I buy them from Queensland and get them posted to my door for about $150 per 1000. So dearer than what you get them for, but cheaper than the gun shops that I still have to drive 300km to will sell them to me. Shouldn't be possible, should it? SA dollars are pretty under valued when it comes to buying anything gun related.
xDom wrote:I thought it wasn’t legally possible to buy rounds online or get them posted?!?
xDom wrote:I thought it wasn’t legally possible to buy rounds online or get them posted?!?
xDom wrote:Nah, I meant live rounds. I might have to look into this.
Roo farmer wrote:xDom wrote:I thought it wasn’t legally possible to buy rounds online or get them posted?!?
We're talking projectiles only here. Pointy lumps of lead.
bigfellascott wrote:They are one of my favourite projectiles alright, I can't believe how much they are charging for them in SA. I think Hornady do a bulk pack projectile which I think is a little cheaper, might be worth investigating.
Roo farmer wrote:bigfellascott wrote:They are one of my favourite projectiles alright, I can't believe how much they are charging for them in SA. I think Hornady do a bulk pack projectile which I think is a little cheaper, might be worth investigating.
Yes, they are even cheaper still. But, they come in a 6000 pack. I haven't tried them in case I just can't get my rifle to like them, and then would be stuck with them, negating any savings. I don't know if this is a relevant concern or not. One of the best things about the Sierra super roos is the boat tail, as far as I know the Hornady ones don't have a boat tail, and they also have the crimp groove which I have been told can make things a bit finicky. I don't know if this is a relevant concern either.
Roo farmer wrote:bigfellascott wrote:They are one of my favourite projectiles alright, I can't believe how much they are charging for them in SA. I think Hornady do a bulk pack projectile which I think is a little cheaper, might be worth investigating.
Yes, they are even cheaper still. But, they come in a 6000 pack. I haven't tried them in case I just can't get my rifle to like them, and then would be stuck with them, negating any savings. I don't know if this is a relevant concern or not. One of the best things about the Sierra super roos is the boat tail, as far as I know the Hornady ones don't have a boat tail, and they also have the crimp groove which I have been told can make things a bit finicky. I don't know if this is a relevant concern either.
sungazer wrote:Roo farmer wrote:bigfellascott wrote:They are one of my favourite projectiles alright, I can't believe how much they are charging for them in SA. I think Hornady do a bulk pack projectile which I think is a little cheaper, might be worth investigating.
Yes, they are even cheaper still. But, they come in a 6000 pack. I haven't tried them in case I just can't get my rifle to like them, and then would be stuck with them, negating any savings. I don't know if this is a relevant concern or not. One of the best things about the Sierra super roos is the boat tail, as far as I know the Hornady ones don't have a boat tail, and they also have the crimp groove which I have been told can make things a bit finicky. I don't know if this is a relevant concern either.
The boat tail is only for longer distance greater than 300 yrds it reduces drag. Flat bottom bullets actually normally shoot more accurately out to 300 yrds. You will find most 100-300 yrd Bench resters use flat bottom bullets. The Longer ranges grater than 600 yards is where the bullet tail comes to its own.