CAVEMAN wrote:Evening Gents.
Doing some research on chokes, and seeing if anyone can give me there point of view on barrel length and chokes. In regards to it does anyone see any difference in barrel length and the effectiveness of choke's.
I'm looking to pick up a 20 inch barrel shot gun and thinking is there any point to anything other than a cylinder bore at this perceived length. Or doe's choke make good effect regardless of barrel length. For arguments sake would you see a vast difference with an improved choke on a 20 inch vs a 28 or 30 inch barrel.
Hope its clear as mud as the whole choke thing is quite perplexing to myself.
CAVEMAN wrote:Just a play thing at the moment, but hopeful more so for pigs or similar. I got offered a deal i couldn't refuse but unsure whether to splash the extra cash for a choke set. Id ultimate like to get a decent pattern at 50m that would be suitable with buckshot or smaller depending on target.
CAVEMAN wrote:20 inch vs a 28 or 30 inch
TassieTiger wrote: they almost look the bloody same regardless...
bladeracer wrote:CAVEMAN wrote:Just a play thing at the moment, but hopeful more so for pigs or similar. I got offered a deal i couldn't refuse but unsure whether to splash the extra cash for a choke set. Id ultimate like to get a decent pattern at 50m that would be suitable with buckshot or smaller depending on target.
I don't have any buck larger than BB's, but I can try patterning it in both barrels and see if I get significant results.
Actually, I lied, I do have a handful of 000 buck I bought for slugging bores, perhaps not enough for patterning but I'll check.
CAVEMAN wrote:bladeracer wrote:CAVEMAN wrote:Just a play thing at the moment, but hopeful more so for pigs or similar. I got offered a deal i couldn't refuse but unsure whether to splash the extra cash for a choke set. Id ultimate like to get a decent pattern at 50m that would be suitable with buckshot or smaller depending on target.
I don't have any buck larger than BB's, but I can try patterning it in both barrels and see if I get significant results.
Actually, I lied, I do have a handful of 000 buck I bought for slugging bores, perhaps not enough for patterning but I'll check.
It would be interesting to see the difference with the same choke and gun. I cant seem to find anything too specific in my research.
RoginaJack wrote:Imo, a 20" barrel with cylinder choke at 60 yards is stretching it a bit. I reckon the pattern would be too spread, pig would charge right through at you. I wouldn't use a smaller buckshot size, think big!
I'd look at a tighter choke, 3/4 maybe(?) but I thought a set of chokes usually came with the shotgun.
The advantage of a 20" barrel is quicker onto target, especially at close quarters and in thick cover.
CAVEMAN wrote:RoginaJack wrote:Imo, a 20" barrel with cylinder choke at 60 yards is stretching it a bit. I reckon the pattern would be too spread, pig would charge right through at you. I wouldn't use a smaller buckshot size, think big!
I'd look at a tighter choke, 3/4 maybe(?) but I thought a set of chokes usually came with the shotgun.
The advantage of a 20" barrel is quicker onto target, especially at close quarters and in thick cover.
The Pardus I'm picking up in 20" only comes with the cylinder bore, so picking the brains trust before I go buy a set of chokes.
CAVEMAN wrote:Yeah got a nice 308, I'm just intrigued by shotguns and there place in the world and there capabilities. Far more complex than squeezing the bang button and having 150gn of multipurpose projectile going roughly where you intended.
For me it's like "hunting" with handgrenades
CAVEMAN wrote:For me it's like "hunting" with handgrenades
Everyone knows a claymore is far more effective than a hand grenade, there instantaneous.
Thank you all for the thoughtful and thought provoking input definitely helped expand my knowledge on the concept of the smooth barrel boom stick.
RoginaJack wrote:"...don't hold shotguns in much regard for hunting, their entire premise is about increasing your ability to hit (not necessarily kill) a moving target..."
Hey Bladeracer, please keep that theory to yourself 'cause the foxes, rabbits, ducks, snakes, pigeons and feral dogs I've shot haven't heard about it yet. They just fell over dead.
bladeracer wrote:CAVEMAN wrote:For me it's like "hunting" with handgrenades
Everyone knows a claymore is far more effective than a hand grenade, there instantaneous.
Thank you all for the thoughtful and thought provoking input definitely helped expand my knowledge on the concept of the smooth barrel boom stick.
Claymores would've been ideal for taking galahs and starlings coming in over the fenceline en-masse
Don't get me wrong, shotguns can be good fun, but you need to accept their limitations as part of their challenge.
Each model code has specific requirements for the types of firearms and ammunition
considered suitable for specific animals.
PIG003 Ground Shooting Feral Pigs - Large calibre, high-powered rifles (at
least equal to .243 performance), fitted with a telescopic sight are
recommended. Hollow-point or soft-nosed (minimum 80 grain) ammunition
should be used.12-gauge shotguns with heavy shot sizes of SG or SSG, may
be effective, but only up to a distance of 20 metres from the target animal.
DOG003: Ground Shooting Wild Dogs - Small bore, high velocity, centre fire
rifles fitted with a telescopic sight are preferred e.g. .22-250, .22 Hornet, .222
Remington, .223 or .243 Winchester. Hollow-point or soft nosed ammunition
should always be used. • Rimfire weapons with lower muzzle energy are not
recommended because of the greater risk of non-lethal wounding. • 12-gauge
shotguns with heavy shot sizes of No. 2, SSG, BB or AAA may be effective,
but only up to a distance of 20 metres from the target animal.
CAVEMAN wrote:Well here's a bit of official guideline from the QLD Government. In regards to shotguns and there use for hunting/culling.Each model code has specific requirements for the types of firearms and ammunition
considered suitable for specific animals.
PIG003 Ground Shooting Feral Pigs - Large calibre, high-powered rifles (at
least equal to .243 performance), fitted with a telescopic sight are
recommended. Hollow-point or soft-nosed (minimum 80 grain) ammunition
should be used.12-gauge shotguns with heavy shot sizes of SG or SSG, may
be effective, but only up to a distance of 20 metres from the target animal.
DOG003: Ground Shooting Wild Dogs - Small bore, high velocity, centre fire
rifles fitted with a telescopic sight are preferred e.g. .22-250, .22 Hornet, .222
Remington, .223 or .243 Winchester. Hollow-point or soft nosed ammunition
should always be used. • Rimfire weapons with lower muzzle energy are not
recommended because of the greater risk of non-lethal wounding. • 12-gauge
shotguns with heavy shot sizes of No. 2, SSG, BB or AAA may be effective,
but only up to a distance of 20 metres from the target animal.
CAVEMAN wrote:That definitely give's validity to a 50m range for a shotgun with the right ammo and choke setup.