ABC's 7.30 on Horse Racing Industry

[Stix]

So, if you didnt see it last night, you'll no doubt have heard, or will hear about it today...

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/7-30-re ... d-20191017

https://www.abc.net.au/7.30/the-dark-si ... y/11614022

So...i watched it, and even as someone who kills animals himself, i was pretty appalled...

Id like to think im relatively level headed, but to see the interviews with key senior industry representatives claiming to have absolutely NO knowledge of the practices outlined in the investigation, is just representative of the corruption that comes with greed & power in certain circles.

Now, to be clear, im not banding together with the extremist vegans here on animal welfare...rather im appalled at the kunts in the footage in this report, that were beating these horses, smashing gates into them & cracking pipes on their heads... .

And no doubt, the industry will do what it has to do to weather the media storm & secure the abattoirs to prevent this happening again, & people will just go on their merry way without being held to account...

Really...these kunts--such as the stupid kunt screaming at horses & smashing gates into them--need to be flogged...flogged publicly...& flogged hard...!!
They deserve whats coming to them...


I know there is the knockers of the ABC out there...and while there are other factors in place here that can be argued--such as trespassing to set up cameras (& clearly good quality cameras), along with funding from somewhere (???) to pull this off, (aka the stinking report on Pauline Hanson seeking funding from the NRA), we dont see 'investigative journalism" like this on the commercial stations...

And i think its funny how we think we live in a "modern society" with good moral practices, when we let these kind of things go on, because we both choose to ignore them, & because the money is more important...

[PaddyT]

Well said Stix, doesnt matter if its a fish,mouse or a horse- kill it humanly- what was shown is unacceptable - it always amazes me when i see someone who "hates"" an animal-it makes no sense.

[Blr243]

I refuse to watch the Melbourne cup..... and trotting is cruel forceing horses to Trott faster that normal when the the body of the horse is naturally supposed to break into a canter A lot of people in the horse industry are cruel selfish and egotistical.... celebrations at the cup involve dressing up in fancy clothing and drinking expensive champagne all revolving around a very dirty industry

[BluEsky]

Yes just read about this. It's not supposed to happen. "Racing Australia chief executive Barry O'Farrell has said prosecutions "should, and I suspect will, occur" following ABC's 7.30 investigation into the treatment of racehorses.

Speaking on ABC News 24's News Breakfast on Friday morning, Mr O'Farrell said that, while he was "appalled" and "shocked" by the two-year-investigation, he had absolute faith in state regulators including Racing NSW chief executive Peter V'landys.




Have a read of the full Story..........http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia ... cid=HPCDHP

Hey Where is that Turf Advertisement that is on this Forum?

[No1_49er]

I refuse to believe that horse or dog racing is an "Industry". To my mind, it has exactly the same status as any of the casino's that dot the country. Nothing more than gambling
Industry, perhaps, if it's about the flesh processing. But I think that would get the thumbs down as well.
Supported by entities such as "The Minister for Racing". WTF.
It is time that that cosy empire was disbanded, and the pollies got on with things that REALLY do need attention in the community.

[marksman]

it's all about money, stop making it and you are thrown away
thanks for posting Stix

[bigfellascott]

It's Trumps fault!

[marksman]

It's Trumps fault!

of coarse

[bladeracer]

I have been against animal racing and rodeo since I knew it existed. The first and only time I went to the rodeo as a young child in Tennent Creek was enough to leave an indelible impression of how badly people can treat animals, while claiming to love them.

Shooting on dairy properties as a kid also left its mark. I have no problem with breeding animals to kill them, provided you respect them enough to treat them well, ensure they have a pleasant life, kill them humanely, and don't waste them. Dairy, in contrast, does not treat animals well. They manipulate the animals into producing milk for far longer than is natural, by forcing them to have calves that are immediately taken from them. Cows, like many animals, bond very strongly with their calves and their friends. A herd of cows is like a herd of people, some get on, some don't, some are laid back and go with the flow, some are cantankerous rebels, but when one has a calf, they all come to see it. Taking their newborns is about as cruel as it's possible to be to them. When you drink milk think about how it was obtained.

[bigfellascott]

Have you gone vegan?

[bladeracer]

Have you gone vegan?

Assuming that was for me, nope, in fact we're sending two of our boys to the abattoir on Monday. You can empathize with and respect animals and still eat them, no different to hunting them.

[Sarco]

Having watched the ABC show, I also was appalled by the treatment of the horses, especially the psycho a'ole f'wit that was so clearly abusing the animals. I am no horse lover and firmly believe that should be eliminated from the high country and other places like Barmah, While they should be humanely euthanized, this s**t is so totally unnecessary.

When it come to racing, it is my belief that anyone who bets on the horses, greyhounds, trots etc has to much money. There is any number of dodgy charities where they can send their money to waste it if that is what they must do.

With the horses, remove the jockeys and the sulky drivers and it may be a fair race. The dogs are a bit harder, as there are just so many ways to bias the results.

[bigfellascott]

Have you gone vegan?

Assuming that was for me, nope, in fact we're sending two of our boys to the abattoir on Monday. You can empathize with and respect animals and still eat them, no different to hunting them.

And how do you rationalise that?

[xDom]

For arguments sake.. if the horses had been humanely put down to turn into dog meat, would there be an outcry.?

[Stix]

Have you gone vegan?

Assuming that was for me, nope, in fact we're sending two of our boys to the abattoir on Monday. You can empathize with and respect animals and still eat them, no different to hunting them.

And how do you rationalise that?

Id hazard a guess that if you need to ask that, you'd either not understand the answer, &/or just argue the answer for the sake of arguing......

Also, its like you're saying you dont have any respect for the animals you hunt...

[xDom]

It seems that humans have terraformed the animal kingdom.
We kill cows, pigs,chickens, fish...
Why is a horses life somehow superior?

I wonder how many of the “outraged” already knew of this but chose to shut up.?

Really, the only thing humans care about is getting rich.

[bigfellascott]

Have you gone vegan?

Assuming that was for me, nope, in fact we're sending two of our boys to the abattoir on Monday. You can empathize with and respect animals and still eat them, no different to hunting them.

And how do you rationalise that?

Id hazard a guess that if you need to ask that, you'd either not understand the answer, &/or just argue the answer for the sake of arguing......

Also, its like you're saying you dont have any respect for the animals you hunt...

The reason I asked is that in his earlier post he made mention about calves being taken from their mothers. Lots of farm animals have their young taken from them at early stages of their lives, why is it justifiable to eat some and think it abhorrent that it happens to dairy cows? All farm animals end up being separated soon or later from their mothers and I'm not sure that because it happens sooner than later that it really can be justified JMHO.

And can you clarify what you mean by respect for the animals I shoot?

[bladeracer]

Have you gone vegan?

Assuming that was for me, nope, in fact we're sending two of our boys to the abattoir on Monday. You can empathize with and respect animals and still eat them, no different to hunting them.

And how do you rationalise that?

What is there to rationalise? Humans require eating the meat of animals to survive and evolve, no way around that. So we breed animals for the purpose of feeding us, without that goal there is no reason to have evolved domestic stock animals.

[bigfellascott]

Have you gone vegan?

Assuming that was for me, nope, in fact we're sending two of our boys to the abattoir on Monday. You can empathize with and respect animals and still eat them, no different to hunting them.

And how do you rationalise that?

What is there to rationalise? Humans require eating the meat of animals to survive and evolve, no way around that. So we breed animals for the purpose of feeding us, without that goal there is no reason to have evolved domestic stock animals.

So your ok with the way other farm animals are treated and processed so we can eat them, just not how dairy cows are treated?

There is lots of suffering of animals in farming so we can eat them, always has been and probably always will be.

[bladeracer]

The reason I asked is that in his earlier post he made mention about calves being taken from their mothers. Lots of farm animals have their young taken from them at early stages of their lives, why is it justifiable to eat some and think it abhorrent that it happens to dairy cows? All farm animals end up being separated soon or later from their mothers and I'm not sure that because it happens sooner than later that it really can be justified JMHO.

And can you clarify what you mean by respect for the animals I shoot?

I feel the same about any industry that takes newborns from their mothers, although some animals don't seem to bond strongly, I have not seen such bonds in sheep or rabbits for example.

If you don't understand the difference between humanely taking the life of a mature animal that you have nurtured for that purpose, and keeping animals in a concentration-camp type of existence, breeding them purely to give them a permanent sense of grief, nothing I can say will help you see it. Cows for example can be separated from their mature calves without seèming to endure the obvious grief they do over their newborns.

[bladeracer]

Have you gone vegan?

Assuming that was for me, nope, in fact we're sending two of our boys to the abattoir on Monday. You can empathize with and respect animals and still eat them, no different to hunting them.

And how do you rationalise that?

What is there to rationalise? Humans require eating the meat of animals to survive and evolve, no way around that. So we breed animals for the purpose of feeding us, without that goal there is no reason to have evolved domestic stock animals.

So your ok with the way other farm animals are treated and processed so we can eat them, just not how dairy cows are treated?

There is lots of suffering of animals in farming so we can eat them, always has been and probably always will be.

You seem intent on transferring your own interpretation on what I write. Animals can be and have been for millennia, humanely bred for human consumption, I have no problem with that all, it's a requirement of being a human. If you can't accept it then you become a vegan, or you find ways to delude yourself that it doesn't happen, that meat grows in supermarkets.

Eating meat though does not require cruelty. Cruelty to animals is not excused because you're going to kill them one day anyway.

[bladeracer]

For arguments sake.. if the horses had been humanely put down to turn into dog meat, would there be an outcry.?

I haven't seen or read the story as I doubt it's any different to the stories we've seen for decades, so I'm not seeing the relevance to dog food. If horses are bred for meat, without being forced to entertain people, then as long as they're kept humanely it wouldn't bother me. But I do understand how horse lovers would struggle with it. I couldn't eat dog for example, except under the most dire circumstances.

[bigfellascott]

No doubt you've eaten plenty of animals that have had the same sort of treatment before being processed into food for you and your family to eat. (as we all have and are probably still doing) you can't get away from the fact that animals we eat have been and more than likely are still being mistreated in some way as part of their lifecycle before we consume them in their many end products. I just find your attitude to dairy cows a bit hypocritical when you have consumed other animals that have been through these sorts of processes.

You would have to be delusional if you don't think you've consumed animals that have been treated like this - we all have and no doubt are still doing so in one way or another.

Must be fun being a Meat Chicken hey.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pixGkSFBty0

Some processing of farm animals to eat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl6l40N59yE

Looks like humane end to a chickens life
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpUFHnJ3uhQ

[bladeracer]

No doubt you've eaten plenty of animals that have had the same sort of treatment before being processed into food for you and your family to eat. (as we all have and are probably still doing) you can't get away from the fact that animals we eat have been and more than likely are still being mistreated in some way as part of their lifecycle before we consume them in their many end products. I just find your attitude to dairy cows a bit hypocritical when you have consumed other animals that have been through these sorts of processes.

You would have to be delusional if you don't think you've consumed animals that have been treated like this - we all have and no doubt are still doing so in one way or another.

Must be fun being a Meat Chicken hey.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pixGkSFBty0

Some processing of farm animals to eat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl6l40N59yE

Looks like humane end to a chickens life
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpUFHnJ3uhQ

I don't recall saying I believed that though, or that I'm happy about it. But if I knew that the meat I was looking at had come from such practises then I wouldn't buy it. I don't fish because I don't believe fish are unable to experience pain or fear, the occasions that I have fished I kill the fish as soon as possible, not toss it in a bucket to suffocate as seems to be the norm.

Chicken is another industry that desperately needs cleaning up.

I am certainly aware that all aspects of animal-oriented industry (even hunting) have people that thrive on animal cruelty, that doesn't make it acceptable to me, and I'm amazed that you seem totally ambivalent to such practises.

[bigfellascott]

I think you are deluding yourself if you think that you haven't been responsible for pain and suffering of animals in your lifetime, we all have in one way or another (directly or indirectly) just by the mear fact you use an animal to sustain your life/lifestyle you have somewhere along the line caused harm/fear etc - you can try and justify it how you like but you'd be a hypocrite if you think you haven't and thinking just because you didn't directly intentionally cause harm/fear etc doesn't negate that fact.

(Do you honestly think that because you killed your fish as quickly as possible after you caught it that somehow that makes you superior or a better person than those who let theirs die slowly in a bucket? You've both caused fear/harm/pain to the animal, yes yours was slightly more humane but the fact still remains you caused suffering to an animal as we all do when we kill them for our benefit (your kidding yourself if you think otherwise).

We've all benefited from the misery and suffering of animals and just because you do it in a "more Humane" way doesn't negate the fact you caused suffering to an animal (we do love to tell ourselves that but it really is a lie at the end of the day) cause no animal wanted to die to just keep us alive hey.

[bladeracer]

I think you are deluding yourself if you think that you haven't been responsible for pain and suffering of animals in your lifetime, we all have in one way or another (directly or indirectly) just by the mear fact you use an animal to sustain your life/lifestyle you have somewhere along the line caused harm/fear etc - you can try and justify it how you like but you'd be a hypocrite if you think you haven't and thinking just because you didn't directly intentionally cause harm/fear etc doesn't negate that fact.

(Do you honestly think that because you killed your fish as quickly as possible after you caught it that somehow that makes you superior or a better person than those who let theirs die slowly in a bucket? You've both caused fear/harm/pain to the animal, yes yours was slightly more humane but the fact still remains you caused suffering to an animal as we all do when we kill them for our benefit (your kidding yourself if you think otherwise).

We've all benefited from the misery and suffering of animals and just because you do it in a "more Humane" way doesn't negate the fact you caused suffering to an animal (we do love to tell ourselves that but it really is a lie at the end of the day) cause no animal wanted to die to just keep us alive hey.

Where do you keep getting this view that I feel superior to other people because of the things I believe in? Where did I claim I was this saint you keep confusing me with that has managed to go through life never having caused pain to an animal?

I disagree that killing any animal requires you to inflict pain or suffering upon it. I never said that killing a fish as soon as you can means it suffers no pain or fear, or that it makes you superior to the guy fishing beside you that doesn't. The fishing I did was in The Ord, taking catfish for the Aged Care Centre at the Aboriginal community I was working at, I wasn't fishing for pleasure, although the country, the local people that took me along, and the enormous crocodiles made the experience an unforgettable treasure of memories. Of course the fish experienced pain and anguish while they were on the hook, it was my duty to minimize that to the extent possible. I find it just incredible that you not only disagree with the concept, you seem completely against it on principle.

I have certainly caused harm to animals, that doesn't mean I want to delude myself into believing that is normal or desired, but it definitely reinforces my desire to avoid making the same mistakes again.

It is absolutely possible to eat animals,without causing pain and suffering, but you do have to accept that you have that choice to do so, and to act on it. Such a belief is merely human, nothing more than that. No animal cares what it wanted when it is dead, being dead is not painful or worrying...

[bigfellascott]

The reason I asked is that in his earlier post he made mention about calves being taken from their mothers. Lots of farm animals have their young taken from them at early stages of their lives, why is it justifiable to eat some and think it abhorrent that it happens to dairy cows? All farm animals end up being separated soon or later from their mothers and I'm not sure that because it happens sooner than later that it really can be justified JMHO.

And can you clarify what you mean by respect for the animals I shoot?

I feel the same about any industry that takes newborns from their mothers, although some animals don't seem to bond strongly, I have not seen such bonds in sheep or rabbits for example.

If you don't understand the difference between humanely taking the life of a mature animal that you have nurtured for that purpose, and keeping animals in a concentration-camp type of existence, breeding them purely to give them a permanent sense of grief, nothing I can say will help you see it. Cows for example can be separated from their mature calves without seèming to endure the obvious grief they do over their newborns.

You've never seen a lamb suckling from it's mother or a baby rabbit doing the same? Pretty sure that bonding at it's most important point in life.

[bigfellascott]

I think you are deluding yourself if you think that you haven't been responsible for pain and suffering of animals in your lifetime, we all have in one way or another (directly or indirectly) just by the mear fact you use an animal to sustain your life/lifestyle you have somewhere along the line caused harm/fear etc - you can try and justify it how you like but you'd be a hypocrite if you think you haven't and thinking just because you didn't directly intentionally cause harm/fear etc doesn't negate that fact.

(Do you honestly think that because you killed your fish as quickly as possible after you caught it that somehow that makes you superior or a better person than those who let theirs die slowly in a bucket? You've both caused fear/harm/pain to the animal, yes yours was slightly more humane but the fact still remains you caused suffering to an animal as we all do when we kill them for our benefit (your kidding yourself if you think otherwise).

We've all benefited from the misery and suffering of animals and just because you do it in a "more Humane" way doesn't negate the fact you caused suffering to an animal (we do love to tell ourselves that but it really is a lie at the end of the day) cause no animal wanted to die to just keep us alive hey.

Where do you keep getting this view that I feel superior to other people because of the things I believe in? Where did I claim I was this saint you keep confusing me with that has managed to go through life never having caused pain to an animal?

I disagree that killing any animal requires you to inflict pain or suffering upon it. I never said that killing a fish as soon as you can means it suffers no pain or fear, or that it makes you superior to the guy fishing beside you that doesn't. The fishing I did was in The Ord, taking catfish for the Aged Care Centre at the Aboriginal community I was working at, I wasn't fishing for pleasure, although the country, the local people that took me along, and the enormous crocodiles made the experience an unforgettable treasure of memories. Of course the fish experienced pain and anguish while they were on the hook, it was my duty to minimize that to the extent possible. I find it just incredible that you not only disagree with the concept, you seem completely against it on principle.

I have certainly caused harm to animals, that doesn't mean I want to delude myself into believing that is normal or desired, but it definitely reinforces my desire to avoid making the same mistakes again.

It is absolutely possible to eat animals,without causing pain and suffering, but you do have to accept that you have that choice to do so, and to act on it. Such a belief is merely human, nothing more than that. No animal cares what it wanted when it is dead, being dead is not painful or worrying...

What was your method for catching/killing the fish again?

I don't fish because I don't believe fish are unable to experience pain or fear, the occasions that I have fished I kill the fish as soon as possible, not toss it in a bucket to suffocate as seems to be the norm.

Do you think that the aboriginals who used to spear fish felt that they to weren't causing any pain for fear to the fish?.

So what you are saying is that a fish that is pulling against your line is in fact happy and not really in fear of it's life and trying to get away from what it is that is pulling against it? Do you not see you caused fear and suffering and pain to the fish before you so humanely killed it by whatever methods you deemed as humane? Because you say you didn't get any pleasure out of catching it doesn't exonerate you from the fact it suffered before you killed it just like those dairy cows you were telling us about which you pointed out was a disgusting thing to do

As I said earlier we have been using and abusing animals since the beginning of time in one way or another for our own benefit and I doubt it will stop any time soon.

[duncan61]

With you Blade,I did 4 years living on a dairy farm just north of Bunbury and milked every second weekend.The big truck used to come out once a month and the cows that went on the big truck never come back.As it used to come down the lane all the herd would huddle up and try to get behind each other.They knew what a ride in the big truck meant.The grain feed beef you see advertised is our old Friesians that failed to get pregnant after many years of service.One in particular was 88 Cuddles that you could sit on and was tame as but she failed to get pregnant after 12 years and giving us nearly a full tanker of milk on her own so she went on a one way ride.It would be nice to have put her in her own paddock but farms do not work like that.Regards fishing in this day of google and information most anglers ike jime there keepable catch and put on a ice/seawater slurry and carefully release bycatch and over bag fish.Fish feel pressure and light and do not hesitate to slash each other in half so dont go all girly over what fish feel bitch.LOL

[bladeracer]

You've never seen a lamb suckling from it's mother or a baby rabbit doing the same? Pretty sure that bonding at it's most important point in life.

Of course I've seen suckling, but there doesn't seem to be a strong bond at all, as soon as they wean they seem to lose all familiarity with the parents.