223 vs 243 vs 270

[Rocker]

you get it - all the farms I've ever been on operate the same way, pretty much common sense I reckon, if it's in ya way move it, if not leave it where it lays.

Aren't you required to leave it in some instances too?

Not a farmer here, don't know the in's and out's, but thought with Roo cull for example you could shoot them but then were not allowed to do anything with them.

Couldn't take the meat or whatever and turn them into something useful.

I thought?

[duncan61]

Where I hunt and shoot I get 40 damage tags for the roos and can sell them to a licensed processor,The only problem now is both processers are chockas with roos so I am skinning and selling the skins to the tanner directly.If a bit of meat falls in my freezer oooopppppps

[sandgroperbill]

They need to change it so that meat can be removed from properties. Wastage is pointless

[alan j]

If you were only shooting roo within 250m would you guys still use a 243 or go for a 223. I have owned a 243 for about 4 years, with the intention of shooting deer and roo. Deer is not going to happen. Is the difference in recoil, noise, running cost, etc worth going back to a 223 if only shooting roo ? Ive never shot a 223 thanks .

[duncan61]

All the roos I head shoot at night are less than 100 metres more like 60 metres.The greys down here in the south are harder to get close too but we mainly ambush in the mornings and late afternoons.I have shot a big boy standing behind me by rolling over and lifting the rifle on my knee.Range about 7 foot.One roo that my mate and I still talk about was just about leaning on my bullbar but that was up in the gascoiyne and you can get a lot closer.This big boy was behind a large bush and I stopped and it hopped out and stood still.I have been with other pros that drop em out a way but then spend an hour trying to find them.get closer I say and do one at a time

[Sam45]

If you were only shooting roo within 250m would you guys still use a 243 or go for a 223. I have owned a 243 for about 4 years, with the intention of shooting deer and roo. Deer is not going to happen. Is the difference in recoil, noise, running cost, etc worth going back to a 223 if only shooting roo ? Ive never shot a 223 thanks .

Mate a .223 will drop a Roo @ 300 no worries at all. The .243 will go a bit further as you know. Personally I use the .223 cheap and reliable, plenty of ammo. Prefer not to shoot em that far out, but it certainly is capable of doing it. Sadly there is not one rifle that will cover everything. I also have a .270 and only use it for deer. It really depends what you will be hunting most of the time. I would hate to be putting a couple of hundred rounds through the .270. The .223 is an all day/night shooter. Zero recoil, accurate and cheap. Better to buy a heap of em and use accordingly. You know the old saying... Never enough gun

[halberg]

They need to change it so that meat can be removed from properties. Wastage is pointless

Yep, idiotic.

[flutch]

Maybe the occasional bunny on toast or a fox curry

Old thread I know, but wtf! People actually do this? Foxes would have to be one of the worst smelling animals and I couldn't even begin to imagine eating one, yuck

[Blr243]

With toast avocado and baileys Irish cream

[bladeracer]

[quote="petemacsydney" Maybe the occasional bunny on toast or a fox curry[/quote

Old thread I know, but wtf! People actually do this? Foxes would have to be one of the worst smelling animals and I couldn't even begin to imagine eating one, yuck

If you're hungry enough maybe
There are some kids in Tassie (I think) that do a survivalist type of Youtube channel, they shot a fox and cooked it up. I'll see I can find it.

https://youtu.be/Wc9ezczJvcI

[flutch]

Fark yeah nah, I'll be right

[Bill]

6.5 Grendel will do the job on all 3, ammo's getting cheap and more available, not alot of recoil and target work is where the Grendel shines at moderate ranges

[JimTom]

6.5 Grendel will do the job on all 3, ammo's getting cheap and more available, not alot of recoil and target work is where the Grendel shines at moderate ranges

I am a fan of the Grendel too mate however I am not certain it will do the job of a .223 or .270 if that is what your post is getting at. Great cartridge though.

[flutch]

I reckon own as many guns as you can justify, get both or all three

[JimTom]

I reckon own as many guns as you can justify, get both or all three

Well said that man.

[bladeracer]

I reckon own as many guns as you can justify, get both or all three

I got the paperwork for licence renewal today, which includes a handy list of my firearms, very handy

[Bill]

jimtom 90gr TNTs at 3000fps is pretty much matches OSA 223 55gr which chronograph at 3050fps.

Yeah certainly not in the same class as a 270 which can run a 150gr at 3000fps but a 0.264 hole aint much diff from a 0.277 hole.

A Grendel uses a 40% less powder than a 270 Win so alot less recoil and ofcourse a short action so a lighter handier package and lots of slippery high BC 6.5 pills for moderate range work.

[JimTom]

Fair enough.

[Diamond Jim]

Yeah Bill, but where is the romance? In my day, Grendel was a monster from the saga of Beowulf. It's hard to love a monster....but what's not to love about a .270Win?

[flutch]

the 270 really is a great round, i love using mine to buck the canola stubble that can even thwart a 243 (seen many times) shooting foxes in that stuff is pretty much a weekly job over here, the 223 can do it, but it cant hit ANY canola stubble otherwise its useless. the 270 just bashes its way into the little sods regardless, love it... the fact it is basically a standard for shooting deer also would tell me that its better to at least have one if not something bigger, but if i were to go bigger 7mmrem or 300win are my choices heh

[Diamond Jim]

What Flutch said - though the little red beggars are pretty thin on the ground where I shoot in the northern part of the "Central West" district. Cats are pretty common though the .270 is a bit of overkill. I genuinely think that as Parks and Wildlife (whatever the WA equivalent is) have shut down pastoral stations the dogs/dingoes have impacted fox numbers I know they have made sheep unviable on our farm. We abut former station country.
No deer or pigs here. We used to get good numbers of goats but that changed when the stations were shut down.

[flutch]

true, foxes are thick down my way, only last few weeks between 3 of us there have been more than 50 shot on only two properties. any bet there are a tonne more shot in the district, we are starting to see more and more deer and pigs as the governments sycophantic bulls**t about trapping and baits being better than hunting is proving its uselessness. not complaining just more shat off with the idiocy of the collective legislators. no goats however, but yes cats also, but no more than ever before, seems to always be one here and there. bunnies are almost non existent however since 2015. know some crew up beacon way and they have foxes galore as well as cats and rabbits.

[Diamond Jim]

While it is probably wrong to do so, we've been giving the bunnies a bit of a rest for the last few years. Bugger all around anyway and we only take one when we have a definite need - cray bait mainly (skinned, no hide or hair). Cats are a serious problem, since we started seeing them maybe 20 years ago we've lost almost all our small marsupials (e.g. dunnarts), reptiles (thorny devils) and ground nesting birds (plover, quail). Cats and foxes get no mercy.

[flutch]

yeah only good cat is a dead one in my opinion, dunnarts are the funniest little critters and i loved those thorny devils as a kid, carnarvon always had fk all thorny devils thanks to having a million cats around. coral bay and exmouth used to have way more of them so I would believe that.

[John]

.223 is good caliber they shoot really good and could kill a larger pig but you might find your self with not enough gun goats are not a problem for the .223
Go with .243 there’s no pig or goat it won’t stop some underrate there the power of that little pill but I’ve took down some huge boars in western nsw and north qld and more goats than I can remember.
.270 is a personal favourite of mine there a hard hitter with plenty of thump at longer rangers on larger game but can get a little more expensive to load if your shopping hole in paper for fun.
Having owned.223 and currently owning both .243 and .270 can’t go past the .243 it’s a great all rounder for Australian conditions.

[Ziege]

270 if you ask me, only reason I say that is the penchant to go after bigger and bigger game.

If you go 270 can go everything from 90grain lasers to 180 grain Woodleigh schtonkers, ranging from over 3600fps down to a humble 2500fps with 180 grain solid monoliths from Woodleigh, in any case it's a great round hence being more prolific than most other "deer" rifles.

[Troyus]

I shot growing up but have only just started getting back into it with my old man, 20+ years later, about to apply for my license.
I like the .243 and want one, but as a new shooter looking for farms to shoot on, I heard a .223 would be more acceptable to farmers over something bigger. What’s are the thoughts on this side of the question?

[in2anity]

Troyus, 223 or the 222 are very popular in the farming world. Remember the 243 is a necked down 308 - pretty serious cartridge. You might be surprised by the recoil, particularly in a light sporter. For particularly flat, open country a 243 is helpful. Else just get the 223 - very pleasant and easy to use up to ~200m.

[Troyus]

Thanks. My father has a 243, 22 hornet and 22lr as far as rifles go. Im over the 22 hornets hang ups, mis feeds etc. I am familiar with the .243 and its versatility with different projectiles but wonder if farmers will say nope.

[Ziege]

243 is fine, I find it kicks more than expected but not a huge amount, it's also pretty good on projie choice and can reach out a fair way, only you need to know your dope when on the heavier pills cos can be a chore to holdover, however again that isn't unique to the calibre, all cartridges suffer that when loaded heavier.

Hope whatever you choose serves you well