cracker wrote:i think back in the day of black powder and brass shells they used sheeps wool?
bigpete wrote:https://www.claygame.co.uk/12ga-fibre-shot-cups-34mm-38mm-and-55mm-pd82
cracker wrote:i think back in the day of black powder and brass shells they used sheeps wool?
Blr243 wrote:No idea blade but I give u 10 out of 10 for looking after the stock and the paddocks
bladeracer wrote:bigpete wrote:https://www.claygame.co.uk/12ga-fibre-shot-cups-34mm-38mm-and-55mm-pd82
Those look good. They say no sales outside of UK but I'll email and ask.
Very bloody expensive though, $25/100, compared to about $15/250 here for plastic ones - more than four-times the price without postage.
But if I can get them I will.
bigpete wrote:bladeracer wrote:bigpete wrote:https://www.claygame.co.uk/12ga-fibre-shot-cups-34mm-38mm-and-55mm-pd82
Those look good. They say no sales outside of UK but I'll email and ask.
Very bloody expensive though, $25/100, compared to about $15/250 here for plastic ones - more than four-times the price without postage.
But if I can get them I will.
Be interesting to see if you can. I'd be in for some possibly
bladeracer wrote:One major problem with shooting on the farm is the shotcups getting lost in the grass, that the cows then eat.
I'm recovering a good percentage but there are still too many missing.
I know I can use bio-deg wads, but I think I prefer to have a shotcup keeping the shot from touching the bores, particularly if I use any steel shot.
So, are there advantages/disadvantages to switching to card/paper/cork/felt wads rather than shotcups?
Does anybody make bio-deg shotcups?
Are there other options for bio-degradeable shooting?
Oldbloke wrote:bladeracer wrote:One major problem with shooting on the farm is the shotcups getting lost in the grass, that the cows then eat.
I'm recovering a good percentage but there are still too many missing.
I know I can use bio-deg wads, but I think I prefer to have a shotcup keeping the shot from touching the bores, particularly if I use any steel shot.
So, are there advantages/disadvantages to switching to card/paper/cork/felt wads rather than shotcups?
Does anybody make bio-deg shotcups?
Are there other options for bio-degradeable shooting?
Perhaps this sounds stupid.
Years ago paper was used to patch bullets.
Could you make a "wad" with fingers using heavy paper, or very light card board. roll a tube, tape, cut 4 fingers. This would sit on top of a traditional cork, felt or card wad. Should work but how effective, who knows. Your not shooting off many rounds.
Oldbloke wrote:Here you go. Called paper cups.
https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/thre ... ds.108030/
Oldbloke wrote:Here you go. Called paper cups.
https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/thre ... ds.108030/
Oldbloke wrote:Actually looks like a good BP forum
bladeracer wrote:bigpete wrote:bladeracer wrote:bigpete wrote:https://www.claygame.co.uk/12ga-fibre-shot-cups-34mm-38mm-and-55mm-pd82
Those look good. They say no sales outside of UK but I'll email and ask.
Very bloody expensive though, $25/100, compared to about $15/250 here for plastic ones - more than four-times the price without postage.
But if I can get them I will.
Be interesting to see if you can. I'd be in for some possibly
I've asked if they can supply them, or direct me to somebody else that can.
Oldbloke wrote:I think using the corrugated cardboard The Way You Are creates a very poor seal and allows gases to pass through the corrugations in the cardboard.
Suggest you use normal light weight cardboard such as from a cereal packet yeah and don't roll it create a cup.
In addition you need to insure crimp pressure is high enough this is very important if it is low powder will not ignite or burnt correctly there for you need to increase the amount of wads cork cardboard or whatever beneath the cup of shot this will increase the length of the column and therefore the crimp pressure .
I'm not certain but I think the powder you're using is more suitable for heavy shot loads just check the ADI manual but I think you might need a fast of burning powder such as as30n
Gadge wrote:G'day all,
What Eley in the UK do, is to 'turn back the clock', and revert to an old-time [as used from the blackpowder days, until the 1960s] multi-component punched wad column, for their 'bio friendly' loads.
This basically consists of a hard cardboard overpowder wad, sized to grip the case walls, then a felt/fibre/cork cushion wad, then the shot charge.
Then, if a roll crimp is used, a thin overshot wad - this is necessary for 12ga 2.5" Black Powder loadings, as required for older Brit made guns.
Commercial 'Circle Fly' wads are available from Forbes Wholesale in Vic, but just buy an 18mm wad punch, and you're set to make your own!
Wad Materials:
Overpowder: 2.5mm+/= hard cardboard
Cushion: wool felt, carpet underlay felt, or cork floor tiles, also that heavy waxed corrugated cardboard used for fruit/veg boxes. I 'edge lube' mine using 1+1 Lard/Beeswax hard setting lube, and the tool shown below. It's just two 2c pieces soft soldered to the tips of a large pair of lab forceps.
Overshot: If roll crimping, wine [or port!] cask box cardboard. If you get star crimps that are 'leaky', a square of paper on top of the shot charge will stop the leakage.
The attached ASJ article on Black Powder Shotgun explains all this concisely...