SA declares gel blasters “firearms”.

[TassieTiger]

Interesting;

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-07/ ... e/12739052

[No1Mk3]

Interesting is not the word I'd use, other than the context of the old Chinese curse "May you live in Interesting Times", but the word I would use is not publishable. Only leaves Qld now, and I wouldn't hold my breath for them.

[Codez]

Why do we need to register them all of a sudden. It's not going to make it safer. Okay yes it's terrible firearm incidents happen but I feel it's a numbers game and a percentage of people will do the wrong.

[straightshooter]

What's wrong with that!
We have all acquiesced to men being identified as women and women being identified as men and all the other post modernist identity claptrap so how is that any different.
Brings to mind the anecdote about Richard Tauber (an internationally famous opera singer) asking Goebbels for permission to emigrate from Germany due to his jewish background. Goebbels' response was 'we decide who is jewish'.
Fascism is alive, well and thriving but under a different brand name.

[Bugman]

Interesting report though. It stated that a few injuries were inflicted by some who used them. Stupidity has obviously attracted the authorities attention. Some people just won't learn. More dopey bureaucracy heading our way.

[Member-Deleted]

Should I:
A. Give up and purchase my new communist outfit?
B. Go Brenton Tarrant on their arse?
C. Cry myself to sleep but prepare for war?
D. Other? (Please specify)

[marksman]

its interesting that the police are now being trained to use this style of firearm l mean the real version

[Skinna]

^^
Yep...& protecting the civillians in Adelaide around the Central food Market in the guts of the CBD from terrorists with those very style of weapons... Fair dinkum what a fukn joke...!!!!!

Its all part of training the masses that these & other firearms are a means of intimidation, & they are the ones with the power & the need to intimidate.

[bladeracer]

There are a few threads about this on Facebook.
Most seem to think they'll just apply for a firearm licence, which will be granted. These are firearm owners, that don't seem to understand what their licence requires, like genuine reason, and not substantially replicating military firearms for a start.

I think most gel blasters are handguns, not a simple CatA/B licence.

One person did tell me that they are going to be licenced the same as paintball "firearms", which makes sense. But I think most gel blasters look like real firearms, so good luck getting anything approved for that.

[rc42]

If this results in hundreds or thousands of new firearms licenses being applied for and issued then it's actually helping the firearms community but I doubt that was the intention of the anti-gun mob that are pushing this policy. I hope this is the end result of this utter stupidity and authoritarian overreach.

I'm sure that once licensed most will take up real firearms and leave their gel blasters at home, possibly in their secure gun safe for 'public safety' reasons, you never know when criminals might break in to steal your plastic toys, or what if a child found one, they could shoot themselves and leave a small red mark.

I wonder if appearance laws are going to be applied to these toys? If they do the non firing ones in the normal toyshops will be next.
What about PTAs? toys don't have serial numbers.

[on_one_wheel]

Ok, now's the chance for a progressive, forward thinking firearms group, or association to advertise to the general public and promote obtaining their firearms licence to be able to continue to enjoy the sport, to enable their children to enjoy it and to teach their children a high degree of responsibility ... a lesson that will set them up well in the future.

A tv commercial or newspaper add showing people how straight forward applying for and obtaining your firearms licence is, basic requirements ecc.

Imagine striking a deal with a gun safe Co and begin able to do a deal ...new members safe discount.

This should be used to drive a whole new lot of people into firearms ownership rather than simply making folks hand in their gel blaster collection with no compensation.

Hell, if I owned a firearms shop I'd be advertising
WANT TO KEEP YOUR GELLBLASTER LEGALLY?
VISIT US AT ON-ONE-WHEEL FIREARMS FOR YOR NEW SHOOTERS DISCOUNT DEAL

[TassieTiger]

Ok, now's the chance for a progressive, forward thinking firearms group, or association to advertise to the general public and promote obtaining their firearms licence to be able to continue to enjoy the sport, to enable their children to enjoy it and to teach their children a high degree of responsibility ... a lesson that will set them up well in the future.

A tv commercial or newspaper add showing people how straight forward applying for and obtaining your firearms licence is, basic requirements ecc.

Imagine striking a deal with a gun safe Co and begin able to do a deal ...new members safe discount.

This should be used to drive a whole new lot of people into firearms ownership rather than simply making folks hand in their gel blaster collection with no compensation.

Hell, if I owned a firearms shop I'd be advertising
WANT TO KEEP YOUR GELLBLASTER LEGALLY?
VISIT US AT ON-ONE-WHEEL FIREARMS FOR YOR NEW SHOOTERS DISCOUNT DEAL

Very Good point - why shoot gel balls when you ha e to jump the hoops akin to real thing. There’s Opportunity here...

[bladeracer]

If this results in hundreds or thousands of new firearms licenses being applied for and issued then it's actually helping the firearms community but I doubt that was the intention of the anti-gun mob that are pushing this policy. I hope this is the end result of this utter stupidity and authoritarian overreach.

I'm sure that once licensed most will take up real firearms and leave their gel blasters at home, possibly in their secure gun safe for 'public safety' reasons, you never know when criminals might break in to steal your plastic toys, or what if a child found one, they could shoot themselves and leave a small red mark.

I wonder if appearance laws are going to be applied to these toys? If they do the non firing ones in the normal toyshops will be next.
What about PTAs? toys don't have serial numbers.

I think by insisting on licencing "firearms" that are unlicenceable they are simply banning them by proxy.

[TassieTiger]

That’s what they ve done in Tas - yep, you can have them but you must get licenced for the one you possess. It looks like a m16 or AR? I’m sorry - those firearms are prohibited now go away.
Hand gun gel blaster ? So what club are you doing you probation at ? Your not? Ok, bye...

[Member-Deleted]

If this results in hundreds or thousands of new firearms licenses being applied for and issued then it's actually helping the firearms community but I doubt that was the intention of the anti-gun mob that are pushing this policy. I hope this is the end result of this utter stupidity and authoritarian overreach.

I'm sure that once licensed most will take up real firearms and leave their gel blasters at home, possibly in their secure gun safe for 'public safety' reasons, you never know when criminals might break in to steal your plastic toys, or what if a child found one, they could shoot themselves and leave a small red mark.

I wonder if appearance laws are going to be applied to these toys? If they do the non firing ones in the normal toyshops will be next.
What about PTAs? toys don't have serial numbers.

I think by insisting on licencing "firearms" that are unlicenceable they are simply banning them by proxy.

Do paintball guns have serial numbers? I've never been but I wouldn't imagine they would.

[bladeracer]

Do paintball guns have serial numbers? I've never been but I wouldn't imagine they would.

I don't think serial numbers are relevant, collectors and theatrical armourers can buy non-firing replica firearms in Victoria, and they don't have serial numbers. I have old rifles from pre-serial number days that are registered.

[Member-Deleted]

Do paintball guns have serial numbers? I've never been but I wouldn't imagine they would.

I don't think serial numbers are relevant, collectors and theatrical armourers can buy non-firing replica firearms in Victoria, and they don't have serial numbers. I have old rifles from pre-serial number days that are registered.

Hm, if they allow gel blasters, even if they are considered firearms, we could look at getting airsoft introduced then.

[Skinna]

Atleast societal perspectives are maintained with these being banned & say, cage fighting being allowed for participation & broadcast.

I mean the idea of doing as much damage to an opponents skull & brain by heavy blunt force shear & utter aggression is socially acceptable, i mean thats what we want in the streets of society, as opposed to passively printing small groups on paper, or letting kids playing cowboys & Indians in the back yard...because thats racist...Dam you John Wayne you redneck outlaw & racist bastard...!!

I feel good living in such a level headed society with sensible laws made from proactive legislation with complete transparency.

[bladeracer]

Do paintball guns have serial numbers? I've never been but I wouldn't imagine they would.

I don't think serial numbers are relevant, collectors and theatrical armourers can buy non-firing replica firearms in Victoria, and they don't have serial numbers. I have old rifles from pre-serial number days that are registered.

Hm, if they allow gel blasters, even if they are considered firearms, we could look at getting airsoft introduced then.

Sure, as long as they don't look like real firearms, that's the catch that I think will make it impossible to licence gel blasters. Non-firing replica firearms are already illegal in SA. I think the gel blaster "industry" revolves around replicating real firearms.

[bladeracer]

Atleast societal perspectives are maintained with these being banned & say, cage fighting being allowed for participation & broadcast.

I mean the idea of doing as much damage to an opponents skull & brain by heavy blunt force shear & utter aggression is socially acceptable, i mean thats what we want in the streets of society, as opposed to passively printing small groups on paper, or letting kids playing cowboys & Indians in the back yard...because thats racist...Dam you John Wayne you redneck outlaw & racist bastard...!!

I feel good living in such a level headed society with sensible laws made from proactive legislation with complete transparency.

My problem with it is the total avoidance of the fact that we already have multitudes of laws to deal with people doing the wrong thing, we don't need to keep adding to them. Treat it as a firearm _when_ it is used to commit a crime based on the threat that it _is_ a firearm. If it's not being used to commit a criminal act where's the harm to society?

[SAnewb85]

Every gun shop should be licking their lips.

Offer $100 "trade in" when they purchase a .22/scope package.

Offer some pre-tafe safety courses.

Organise and advertise some range days where parents and kids alike can "come and try" which would help remove the stigma around owning real guns.

This is likely the single most pivotal time in Aussie gun rights and public perception since 1996.

[TassieTiger]

Do paintball guns have serial numbers? I've never been but I wouldn't imagine they would.

I don't think serial numbers are relevant, collectors and theatrical armourers can buy non-firing replica firearms in Victoria, and they don't have serial numbers. I have old rifles from pre-serial number days that are registered.

Hm, if they allow gel blasters, even if they are considered firearms, we could look at getting airsoft introduced then.

Sure, as long as they don't look like real firearms, that's the catch that I think will make it impossible to licence gel blasters. Non-firing replica firearms are already illegal in SA. I think the gel blaster "industry" revolves around replicating real firearms.

So given they have banned these - not on the physical aspects of the blaster but definitively on the appearance of the item - surely, every toy firearm in big W must now also be surrendered ?

[bladeracer]

The laws do already differentiate between toys and aesthetic replica firearms. Blue Guns for example are full-size and weight resin casts of real firearms, but they are legal because it is obvious they are not real, provided you don't paint them. If you paint them they become replica firearms.

[TassieTiger]

The laws do already differentiate between toys and aesthetic replica firearms. Blue Guns for example are full-size and weight resin casts of real firearms, but they are legal because it is obvious they are not real, provided you don't paint them. If you paint them they become replica firearms.

But who / what determines how it’s obvious ? How would that be written into law “it was obvious it was a toy and not real”? To you in might be obvious but to Maree on the couch - well she just pooped herself..

[Member-Deleted]

https://youtu.be/aJGNpdr9GkM live stream that just happened discussing it.

[bladeracer]

The laws do already differentiate between toys and aesthetic replica firearms. Blue Guns for example are full-size and weight resin casts of real firearms, but they are legal because it is obvious they are not real, provided you don't paint them. If you paint them they become replica firearms.

But who / what determines how it’s obvious ? How would that be written into law “it was obvious it was a toy and not real”? To you in might be obvious but to Maree on the couch - well she just pooped herself..

I agree with you. It's usually "a reasonable person" or something, as with many of our laws.

[womble]

What if i built a carrot that can fire a bullet.
Is it now classed as an imitation carrot.
Is it still classed as a carrot.
What if it’s a gel blaster carrot.
Does that make it a firearm or a carrot ??
Will i need a pta everytime i buy more carrots now and they have to be on the registry. All carrots period.
Regardless whether it fires a bullet or gel or is in fact an inert carrot. Even so a carrot can be used as a projectile.

[Member-Deleted]

This is the fundraiser for this cause, get behind it lads, if I can spare $100, you can spare something:
https://gf.me/u/y3zd5m

[on_one_wheel]

Every gun shop should be licking their lips.

Offer $100 "trade in" when they purchase a .22/scope package.

Offer some pre-tafe safety courses.

Organise and advertise some range days where parents and kids alike can "come and try" which would help remove the stigma around owning real guns.

This is likely the single most pivotal time in Aussie gun rights and public perception since 1996.

Absolutely!

I hope they jump on it

[bladeracer]

Every gun shop should be licking their lips.

Offer $100 "trade in" when they purchase a .22/scope package.

Offer some pre-tafe safety courses.

Organise and advertise some range days where parents and kids alike can "come and try" which would help remove the stigma around owning real guns.

This is likely the single most pivotal time in Aussie gun rights and public perception since 1996.

These ideas should be happening all the time, not just when something like this comes up. Come-and-try days at SSAA and such are a great opening. I have sincerely offered to pay the costs of some anti-gun nuts on Facebook to go along to their nearest SSAA range and have a go, on me. Tell me their nearest range and I will organise with the range to cover their fees when they show up. Never had anybody take me up on the offer though. I have a feeling the majority of anti's simply don't qualify to shoot even under supervision at a range, let alone to have a licence.

I'm just not sure that people that enjoy playing with these things actually have any interest in real firearms, at least not enough for them to jump through the hoops to own them. There is not much connection between owning toy guns and having "wars" with their mates, and actually owning a real rimfire rifle and having to go to a range or travel to the bush to use it. Add the costs of owning real firearms - licencing, memberships, security, ammo, etc - and most won't bother. The couple-hundred dollars they spent on their toy gun is nothing compared to the expense of owning a real one.

I was talking to an idiot on a firearms forum on Facebook offering to buy these toys on behalf of south-Australians and sending them across to them. Pointing out to him that these are already illegal in Victoria prompted the response that he has lots of them and has no trouble buying them online...and this moron is already a licence holder.

I do think there is an opportunity to direct these angered owners though, and at least garner their votes over to our side of politics. Some of these people have many thousands of dollars worth of gel blaster collections.