boingk wrote:Only drama with the 6.5 is (I think) it isn't legal for certain game in some states... if you're at all concerned about that.
That's why I recommended 30.06 270, 308, 7x57
Vic minimum requirements below.
boingk wrote:Only drama with the 6.5 is (I think) it isn't legal for certain game in some states... if you're at all concerned about that.
bah! wrote:7mm08?
Oldbloke wrote:boingk wrote:Only drama with the 6.5 is (I think) it isn't legal for certain game in some states... if you're at all concerned about that.
That's why I recommended 30.06 270, 308, 7x57
Vic minimum requirements below.
ZaineB wrote:Oldbloke wrote:boingk wrote:Only drama with the 6.5 is (I think) it isn't legal for certain game in some states... if you're at all concerned about that.
That's why I recommended 30.06 270, 308, 7x57
Vic minimum requirements below.
keeping in mind these minimums aren't just on bullet diameter but on energy hence minimum bullet weights, so whilst there are some smaller less costly (if reloading) options above .277 cal there are a few that don't make it even closely on energy when compared to the .270
Oldbloke wrote:ZaineB wrote:Oldbloke wrote:boingk wrote:Only drama with the 6.5 is (I think) it isn't legal for certain game in some states... if you're at all concerned about that.
That's why I recommended 30.06 270, 308, 7x57
Vic minimum requirements below.
keeping in mind these minimums aren't just on bullet diameter but on energy hence minimum bullet weights, so whilst there are some smaller less costly (if reloading) options above .277 cal there are a few that don't make it even closely on energy when compared to the .270
Sorry mate. There is NO legal minimum on energy. WYSIWYG. Simply a caliber & weight minimum, nothing else.
There was a minimum case length of 2" a few years ago but that was dropped.
ZaineB wrote:nah not even close, People have tried over here and have ended up with pretty fitting fines. sub 2000fps for the most part with 130gn rounds vs 130gn bullet flying out at 3150fps in the 270, I'd argue neither of them comply even slightly. 1042lb for the two slow pokes, 2864 for the standard "minimum" caliber, that's 2.5+* more energy, so I would suggest all day long that pure diameter doesn't come close to compliance, the three factors all remain, diameter, weight, energy (or whatever weight/velocity combo to deliver that energy). The idea behind it is can the Bullet put the animal down ethically in one shot, and I wouldn't be so keen with anything less than say 2500lb energy.
Oldbloke wrote:ZaineB wrote:nah not even close, People have tried over here and have ended up with pretty fitting fines. sub 2000fps for the most part with 130gn rounds vs 130gn bullet flying out at 3150fps in the 270, I'd argue neither of them comply even slightly. 1042lb for the two slow pokes, 2864 for the standard "minimum" caliber, that's 2.5+* more energy, so I would suggest all day long that pure diameter doesn't come close to compliance, the three factors all remain, diameter, weight, energy (or whatever weight/velocity combo to deliver that energy). The idea behind it is can the Bullet put the animal down ethically in one shot, and I wouldn't be so keen with anything less than say 2500lb energy.
Mate, your missing the point. What I posted IS COMLIANCE. Opinions regarding velocity or energy don't matter.
Oldbloke wrote:It is what it is. I'm not saying its right. Just what it is. I don't know who it was, but someone agreed to it.
Oldbloke wrote:I want what your smoking.
Kurnal wrote:Seems like my question has opened a can of worms. I just wish I understood half of what you are all talking about
Based on all this and given my relative inexperience, I am leaning towards keeping this simple and getting .308. Probably a light Tikka, maybe T3X Hunter series. I love the Optika5 3-15 x 44 I have on the .223 so probably just get another one of those for it.
When life opens up again here in Sydney, I'll go and get my hands on one at the shop and see what it feels like.
Of course, with a few weeks of lockdown to go, that might change !
Thanks again all.
Oldbloke wrote:Agree, good choice
Kurnal wrote:Seems like my question has opened a can of worms. I just wish I understood half of what you are all talking about
Based on all this and given my relative inexperience, I am leaning towards keeping this simple and getting .308. Probably a light Tikka, maybe T3X Hunter series. I love the Optika5 3-15 x 44 I have on the .223 so probably just get another one of those for it.
When life opens up again here in Sydney, I'll go and get my hands on one at the shop and see what it feels like.
Of course, with a few weeks of lockdown to go, that might change !
Thanks again all.
Oldbloke wrote:NZ, perhaps longish ranges, perhaps Vic for deer, rules apply.
Magnums tend to kick like a mule. So, be carefulI, suggest you test fire the chambering before you commit to buy.
Otherwise,
These are popular for a reason, ammo availability and cost. Also they do the job.
30.06, 270, 308, 7x57, all OK in Vic.
You carry a lot. Sooo, suggest no more than 8lb with scope.
Oldbloke wrote:Oldbloke wrote:NZ, perhaps longish ranges, perhaps Vic for deer, rules apply.
Magnums tend to kick like a mule. So, be carefulI, suggest you test fire the chambering before you commit to buy.
Otherwise,
These are popular for a reason, ammo availability and cost. Also they do the job.
30.06, 270, 308, 7x57, all OK in Vic.
You carry a lot. Sooo, suggest no more than 8lb with scope.
Boingk, I mentioned it even earlier.
The problem is people don't always read all the posts. They then jump to conclusions or make assumptions.
bigpete wrote:Oldbloke wrote:Oldbloke wrote:NZ, perhaps longish ranges, perhaps Vic for deer, rules apply.
Magnums tend to kick like a mule. So, be carefulI, suggest you test fire the chambering before you commit to buy.
Otherwise,
These are popular for a reason, ammo availability and cost. Also they do the job.
30.06, 270, 308, 7x57, all OK in Vic.
You carry a lot. Sooo, suggest no more than 8lb with scope.
Boingk, I mentioned it even earlier.
The problem is people don't always read all the posts. They then jump to conclusions or make assumptions.
Maybe we should be using zaines 410 that kills donkey's and foxes out to 60m with shot loads.....
animalpest wrote:Zane B you have mentioned that plenty of people have been fined " over here" for presumably using "non compliant" or too low energy on animals.
Can you please provide some examples?