Gamerancher wrote:Considering the prevalence of "green" minded folks in that area, ( I'm assuming you are referring to the Blue Mountains ), be prepared for a LOT of complaints.
Check with the local council as to "allowed" uses.
Communism_Is_Cancer wrote:Gunfire in rural areas is not suspicious but rather common.
dpskipper wrote:A clay target club I know has effectively been shutdown from incessant noise complaints, even though the club has been around for decades.
Oldbloke wrote:Yeh, that sh1ts me. Essendon airport was closed due to noise complaints and so called danger of crashes by people who moved into the area.
Pathetic.
Yes wrote:To bring the discussion back to your question... Let's break it down a little.
Minimum land for rimfire in NSW, when applying for Geniune Reason Landholder (vermin/Hunter on own land), is 5 acres. It's 40 acres for centerfire permission. This is checked using SixMaps when you apply through the registry portal. You need to supply a rates notice or the like and the details of the property. Technically, this means if you bought a 5 acre property and it was infested with bunnies, you could legally shoot till your heart's content (rimfire). So, first step to jump over is land size.
Next hurdle is... what are you shooting? You can't just throw up targets and go blasting, unless you're sighting in or testing ammo, only time you can punch paper (legally at least). So RU2, are you hunting? What are you hunting? Vermin control, what vermin? That's the only options you have to legally shoot.
If you are somewhere near more "city minded folks" you're not going to have a good time of it if there's nothing to hunt and little by way of vermin. They'll make noise complaints, and state they fear for their safety. And unless you can show your varminting or hunting they'll be in the right. Also, to be honest, depending on the size of the land, I'd likely agree with the safety part - if the block is on the smaller side and flat terrain people would be justified in being concerned. 5 acres is very small, I was surprised by this, I think it's 20 acres in WA for rimfire, which is a little better in my opinion.
With that said, a lot of this down to proximity to neighbours, but also who your neighbours are. Both of these cease being an issue if you have a big property. In my experience, I've got 80 acres of RU1, with neighbours who are both shooters. The shape of my land (high hills on all sides), plus the distance they are away from me (about a km), means they need to be outside with good wind to hear most of my shooting - and certainly can't claim they feel in danger (not that they would) as it would be almost impossible for a bullet to leave my boundaries - I'd actually have to try.
Added to the good size and shape of my property, is that I have a harm kangaroo licence/quota, and there's a lot of foxes as everyone around me are sheep/cattle farmers (always a dead one to feed the foxes).
Finally, it's rural... And most rural places are OK with shooters and shooting if they know who's doing it. Gamerancher's experience sounds like it is outsiders he's annoyed at (totally understandable) - and also states that his neighbours let them know if they will be shooting - nothing wrong with this either.
Yes wrote:Agreed - that's why I made it clear it was licensing I was referring to, and I also agree that we can shoot on much smaller plots of land, safely (well, maybe not everyone!). But I maintain that the 5/40 acres outlined in the Genuine Reason would be the absolute minimum I'd consider for rimfire/centrefire. I don't think it is arbitrary that licencing have those numbers as a hurdle - it is something that Joe Average can use as reference point.
Put it another way - shooting my low powered air-rifle in the backyard here of my inner Sydney home would be 100% safe, how do you think that would work out for me with the law? While there is no official size, 5/40 is a fair starting point, then as I say, location location location (oh, and having something viable to shoot at helps!).
bladeracer wrote:Yes wrote:Agreed - that's why I made it clear it was licensing I was referring to, and I also agree that we can shoot on much smaller plots of land, safely (well, maybe not everyone!). But I maintain that the 5/40 acres outlined in the Genuine Reason would be the absolute minimum I'd consider for rimfire/centrefire. I don't think it is arbitrary that licencing have those numbers as a hurdle - it is something that Joe Average can use as reference point.
Put it another way - shooting my low powered air-rifle in the backyard here of my inner Sydney home would be 100% safe, how do you think that would work out for me with the law? While there is no official size, 5/40 is a fair starting point, then as I say, location location location (oh, and having something viable to shoot at helps!).
I used to shoot my air-rifle in the backyard in Perth when I was a kid without any issues, but we also shot .22LR competition on the school oval at Wesley College.
We have a rifle range in the heart of Traralgon here now in Victoria, literally in the middle of the town.
None of these places are rural, but as a general rule, as long as you live rurally you can shoot in your backyard with whatever you want, as long as you can do it safely.
Apollo wrote:"bladeracer" What you did in WA nor what you did as a kid has no bearing on what you can do in NSW on RU2 Zoned land. To you and others that are not in NSW and don't know the local laws... Why, really why are you tossing in comments you know completely nothing about... Really...!!!!
Are you still a Kid...??
I was a kid about 60 years ago and yes, in NSW I use to shoot in my back yard.... in Surburbia BUT that was 60 years ago.... today, you'll get locked up.
pomemax wrote:Where about in NSW are you living I have a friend who has a RU2 block on the outskirts of Sydney He got into a world of hurt shooting Indian miners with air rifle. Seems even tho its RU2 inside the Greater Metropolitan area you still cant shoot on it.
pomemax wrote:Where about in NSW are you living I have a friend who has a RU2 block on the outskirts of Sydney He got into a world of hurt shooting Indian miners with air rifle. Seems even tho its RU2 inside the Greater Metropolitan area you still cant shoot on it.
Apollo wrote:What get's up my nose is those that aren't in the same State poking their nose into something they know Fusk All About....
End of rant....
Apollo wrote:Best I can tell is that "RU2" Zoned Land is "Low Density Residential" and the operative word is "Residential" so, without legal advice I'd say NO you can't legally discharge a Firearm on that property. It's not RURAL....
As has been said .... speak to the Local Area Command Police Officer and ask, then keep a record of the comments.
I wouldn't and don't care where a Range may be located.... Got nothing to do with the question and a "Range" comes under a specific licence...
Plenty of Indoor Ranges in the middle of a city...
pomemax wrote:No for discharging a fire arm in the Metro area and he lived on 5 acre in Silverdale Near the Range yer all the rules are different now compared to when we were kids the cops emptied out his safe Took nearly 12 moths and Heaps of $ to get them back
I think the area he was saying he could not shoot in was from Berowra North The Victoria Bridge (Penrith), West and south down to Camen way This is just what he told me Blanket ban on discharge unless your at a range or have pest control contract .
Yes wrote:Honestly - this place.
Firstly, "Bladeracer" - and I say this with a little cheeky nudge in the ribs, you do like to be a contrarian and have the last word don't you? I guess that's why your post count is unfathomably high.
Providing evidence of a Registered and Licenced range you can shoot on in a built up area is like comparing Eastern Creek Raceway to the M4 Motorway I ride on to get to the track. I do 300km/h on my S1000RR on the track, yet the M4 is only a couple of hundred metres away. You know the difference? I'm sure you do, so I won't explain it - I hope that puts an end to the rifle range obsession. Oh and yep, a lot has changed over the last 40 years; absolutely, some of the things you did as a kid you can't anymore (who'd have thought!).
RU2 is NOT residential... it is "Rural Landscape" - it is still zoned for primary industry, but has different caveats on what you can and can't do with the land - there's more restrictions on the care of the land and what you can produce than there is with RU1. RU1 is "Primary Production" - that's the top of the food chain (hey that's kinda punny). There tends to be a correlation with zoning and land size (but not always, as Disco Stu has stated) - i.e. RU1 tends to be the larger properties, then it works its way down in size from RU1 through to RU6 - but it also depends where it is located, closer to the major cities tends to mean that small hobby farm blocks are zoned RU2/4 (RU4 is "Rural Small Holdings") - still zoned rural, but it's likely you have Starbucks in walking distance from these zonings. So, just because somewhere is Rural Zoned (RU1 through RU6) doesn't mean you can automatically shoot there with impunity (even if you think it is "safe to do so" Bladeracer).
Let me just add that we need to keep in mind that this forum is open to the public - and sometimes people come across this forum looking for information and well, they're not that bright, and they read things like "as long as you live rurally you can shoot in your backyard with whatever you want", and off they trot. Sure, who gives a fudge, their own fault if something goes wrong, right?