Eley Alphamax

[Grumpy]

Hi all.
My young bloke got this ammo as part of a deal when he purchased a new shotgun and I’m struggling to work out what it’s for. I’ve tried researching but couldn’t find much information about this particular ammo. It’s labeled as 4 shot, but also labeled as a Heavy Game cartridge. I thought that #4 was geared towards use on wild birds, Or if it’s #4 buck this still wouldn’t be for heavy game. I have limited knowledge on shotgun loads so please enlighten me to what I’m missing.

[mchughcb]

Eley is a good quality cartridge. The #4 should be around 3.3mm in diameter. 34gram load is a light to medium field load sits between 32 and 42gram field loads. It will drop a rabbit at 40m+ and be good for foxes at 35m+ without kicking too much.

[bladeracer]

Hi all.
My young bloke got this ammo as part of a deal when he purchased a new shotgun and I’m struggling to work out what it’s for. I’ve tried researching but couldn’t find much information about this particular ammo. It’s labeled as 4 shot, but also labeled as a Heavy Game cartridge. I thought that #4 was geared towards use on wild birds, Or if it’s #4 buck this still wouldn’t be for heavy game. I have limited knowledge on shotgun loads so please enlighten me to what I’m missing.

I used to use #4 on galahs and rabbits. Probably a bit light for foxes except at close-range. I think it would specify if it were #4 Buck, but you should be able see the pellets if you hold it up to a strong light, or just open one up.

[womble]

#4 buck.
Foxes, pigs, no problem.
Smaller shot but more shot likely to hit the target.
And i think higher velocity than 00 buckshot but still a tight pattern ?

[womble]

https://www.nioa.com.au/products/eley-alphamax-12g-34gr-2-1241fps

[womble]

Less recoil, heavy game. Probably developed for fat soft Americans. Home defence without the bruising.

[bigpete]

Its just size 4 shot. I use it myself. Its not no.4 buckshot

[Grumpy]

Thanks guys. I thought that it was probably size 4 shot but the Heavy Game bit had me confused.

[bladeracer]

#4 buck.
Foxes, pigs, no problem.
Smaller shot but more shot likely to hit the target.
And i think higher velocity than 00 buckshot but still a tight pattern ?

Maybe if it is Buck, but I doubt it is.
I wouldn't be using #4 birdshot on pigs further than about two-metres from the muzzle.

#4 shot is about .130" and 3gr. #4 Buck is about .240" and about 30gn. The first is like half a .177 air-rifle pellet, the second is like the old .22 Long 29gn bullet.

[Grumpy]

Less recoil, heavy game. Probably developed for fat soft Americans. Home defence without the bruising.

I'm fat & from American descent, but live in Aus so this options out.

Maybe if it is Buck, but I doubt it is.
I wouldn't be using #4 birdshot on pigs further than about two-metres from the muzzle.

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I can assure you we won't be trying it out on pigs.

[deye243]

I think you will find that these have a reasonable amount of recoil as they are 42g load I've been using quite a bit of it lately very good stuff.

Oops just went back and had a look at the picture of the box you have 34g the ones I have are 42 absolutely love it

[womble]

Pretty sure the others are right and i a m wrong.
#4 bird shot, not buck.
Heavy game kinda threw me but i think that’s relative to the load. Probably moreso medium as McHugh said.

[bladeracer]

Pretty sure the others are right and i a m wrong.
#4 bird shot, not buck.
Heavy game kinda threw me but i think that’s relative to the load. Probably moreso medium as McHugh said.

In Btitish parlance "heavy game" probably means pheasant

[bigpete]

Pretty sure the others are right and i a m wrong.
#4 bird shot, not buck.
Heavy game kinda threw me but i think that’s relative to the load. Probably moreso medium as McHugh said.

In Btitish parlance "heavy game" probably means pheasant

Yep,that's about the sum of it. I'm on a few British pages and I've seen them multiple times recommend aaa buckshot for fox hunting....

[Diamond Jim]

No. 4 shot - rabbit, hare, cat, duck etc. Heavy Game refers to the load - 34gm - and velocity - 1241fps.. Put a slab of that through a 6 1/2lb sxs and you'll believe it is a "heavy game" cartridge.
https://www.nioa.com.au/products/eley-a ... -4-1241fps

[animalpest]

Yep, it's more like Heavy, game shot rather than heavy game, shot.

#4 is for large duck etc

[Diamond Jim]

Yep, it's more like Heavy, game shot rather than heavy game, shot.

#4 is for large duck etc

That's what I was trying to say, it's a "game" load (e.g. pheasants, rabbits, etc) loaded "heavy" i.e. 34gr as opposed to a "light" load of 24 - 28gr of no.4 shot (i.e. a light, game load).

Not so much for fat Americans - rather for english game shooting by heretics using modern U/O guns.

[Grumpy]

Yep, it's more like Heavy, game shot rather than heavy game, shot.

#4 is for large duck etc

That's what I was trying to say, it's a "game" load (e.g. pheasants, rabbits, etc) loaded "heavy" i.e. 34gr as opposed to a "light" load of 24 - 28gr of no.4 shot (i.e. a light, game load).

Not so much for fat Americans - rather for english game shooting by heretics using modern U/O guns.

Now it’s all starting to make sense.