Restrictions to come on the number of pistols?

[womble]

Marxism dictates revolution is permanent. It in no way supports disarmament of the population

[dpskipper]

Marxism dictates revolution is permanent. It in no way supports disarmament of the population

Until the revolution is won and all the undesirables are removed from society.

[Oldbloke]

The Age (copied from another forum)

NSW Police are proposing a significant tightening of the state’s firearms laws that would limit the number of guns an individual licence holder is allowed to possess while requiring some owners to submit to mandatory fingerprinting.

The amendments, which would empower police to seize weapons from deceased estates and create probity checks for firearms club executives, have been proposed in response to a coronial inquest that examined the deaths of Jennifer and Jack Edwards, aged 13 and 15, and the suicide of their father, John, in 2018.

Mr Edwards, 67, was found to have “carefully and meticulously” planned the murder of his children at the home they shared with their mother, Olga, in Sydney’s northwest, before fatally shooting himself. Despite complaints of violence, intimidation and stalking, he was able to obtain gun permits and a firearms licence.

The NSW government, the NSWPF and the firearms registry have already agreed to implement numerous recommendations relating to the granting of gun licences, police training and other disqualification regulations, delivered by the coroner.

But The Australian has learned that more than a dozen additional amendments have been proposed by NSW police seeking to address gun ownership in NSW. As of June last year there were 242,740 firearms licences in NSW, according to data published by the NSWPF.

The proposal includes introducing a statutory limit on the number of firearms any individual licence holder would be permitted to own, although it stops short a number at which they would be capped.

On the matter of deceased estates, police say they lack the power to seize firearms from a licence holder after they have died, even though they are permitted to do so when a licence expires. They remain concerned that unsuitable individuals could access the weapons if they are appointed an executor of the estate.

Jack, 15, and Jennifer Edwards, 13, who were killed by their father.
The proposal suggests providing police with the power to seize the guns, as well as other requirements that would see officers arrange for the safe storage of the weapons once they learn that a licensee is deceased.

The amendments have been circulated to the state’s Firearms Registry Consultative Council for further discussion and feedback, with responses due by Friday. Shooters, Fishers and Farmers Upper House MLC Mark Banasiak described the amendments as “unjustified” and “not based in data or evidence”.

“It’s an anti-gun wishlist coming from people in the police and the firearms registry who are anti-firearms,” he said. “There’s no data to back up that a high number of firearms (owned by an individual) increases the risk.”

Mr Banasiak said the proposed amendments appeared to target shooting clubs who were “not at fault” in the Edwards matter. The coronial findings severely criticised the state’s firearms registry for its “wholly inadequate” procedures.

In Victoria, certain categories of firearms licences require fingerprinting, although this does not currently exist in NSW unless authorities have reasonable doubts relating to a person’s identity.

Police have suggested that fingerprinting be made mandatory to obtain a Category D and Category H firearms licence – the former, issued overwhelmingly for pest control purposes, include self-loading rifles and a variety of shotguns; the latter, mainly issued for sport target shooting, involve the use of pistols.

Police say the need for fingerprinting would also address the risk of identity fraud, namely cases where a person changes their name in order to avoid detection or to obtain a firearms licence for which they would be otherwise ineligible.

They have also highlighted shortfalls with existing legislation; officers say the Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions has failed to prosecute individuals found with firearms parts because there is no law preventing anyone from “possessing” the weapons.

The Australian has been told of a case where a person evaded prosecution after being found with homemade machine gun parts which, according to expert testimony, could have been combined to construct an actual firearm; the matter was not advanced because the legislation only prevents the “acquisition” of firearm parts, not their possession.

A final proposal would require firearms club executives to be subject to probity checks to avoid what police describe as “inappropriate people” assuming positions that provide access to sensitive information. The Police Commissioner would also be empowered to refuse their approval to club boards or revoke a club’s status in cases where an executive fails a probity test.

Currently, people without a firearms licence are eligible to hold these positions, meaning they are not required to undergo any of the usual vetting required by the Firearms Registry; this includes individuals who have been refused a license.

[womble]

Marxism dictates revolution is permanent. It in no way supports disarmament of the population

Until the revolution is won and all the undesirables are removed from society.

Preferably by the guillotine.

Mate its not about what i think. I dont support Marxism. Because it supports force by any means. In todays world that’s called terrorism.
I’m just referencing the history of the last century of revolutions. It’s history in general really. Ruling classes always fall to the masses. It’s enevitable. Can’t hold back the tide indefinately.
I’m merely pointing out the bizarre hypocrisy in Nigel’s post where he literally condemns “woke social justice” winning freedoms against an oppressive government.
Fact is, we are a minority too. Slowly being eradicated.
It has been engineered with considerable planning over the long term, by a steady succession of Howard clones.
Effectively a dynasty.
And when you see one minority group denigrate another, as in Nigel’s post, then that engineering has been successfully spawned from within. Because we all share the same oppressor. A governance that denies a long list of liberties.

But the tide will come in. It always does. Even they know it. That’s why they attempt to moderate it by conceding freedoms to Nigel’s “woke social justice types”

[womble]

Furthermore Nigel’s incredulous nativity fails to recognise that a bill of rights is forever binding and any form of government is overruled by it.
And not having one is our sole and only advantage. The rule of the people is free to evolve. We just have to learn how to exercise that rule.

[Communism_Is_Cancer]

These proposed laws are insane. Fingerprints? F that.

The NSW police are ridiculous for recommending this and this will make people respect them even less.

“They have also highlighted shortfalls with existing legislation; officers say the Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions has failed to prosecute individuals found with firearms parts because there is no law preventing anyone from “possessing” the weapons.“

Again the above shows how stupid the NSW police are. Why would they be prosecuted when what they are doing is not illegal? So in essence NSW police want to restrict stocks, rails, grips, scopes etc etc.

[Communism_Is_Cancer]

I think the NSW police should worry about all the gang shootings that happen in Sydney and not what lawful firearms owners are doing.

More regulation is not the answer, minimal government and maximum freedom is.

[Oldbloke]

I think the NSW police should worry about all the gang shootings that happen in Sydney and not what lawful firearms owners are doing.

More regulation is not the answer, minimal government and maximum freedom is.

Agree

[Communism_Is_Cancer]

I think the NSW police should worry about all the gang shootings that happen in Sydney and not what lawful firearms owners are doing.

More regulation is not the answer, minimal government and maximum freedom is.

Agree

You know as well as I do mate that it is easy to change a law so it makes it look like something is being done when in essence its all just fluff.

[Oldbloke]

I think the NSW police should worry about all the gang shootings that happen in Sydney and not what lawful firearms owners are doing.

More regulation is not the answer, minimal government and maximum freedom is.

Agree

You know as well as I do mate that it is easy to change a law so it makes it look like something is being done when in essence its all just fluff.

Lol Agree again

[Bugman]

A final proposal would require firearms club executives to be subject to probity checks to avoid what police describe as “inappropriate people” assuming positions that provide access to sensitive information. The Police Commissioner would also be empowered to refuse their approval to club boards or revoke a club’s status in cases where an executive fails a probity test.

In all the clubs I have belonged to, ALL the committee members of each club were licensed, law abiding members who shot regularly.
I for the life of me can't believe that the plods would install legislation like this. Club committees are drawn ( to the best of my knowledge) from the current licensed members. Each club, I think, advises FAR as to who are on the current committee and it would be up to FAR to investigate further if required. Fu$k me dead, Batman, if I am wrong, but this is getting out of hand and with a state election looming you can bet your bottom dollars those grubby Greens will be pushing the Labor lot to go even further, if they want the Greens preferences.
Strange times ahead.

[moopere]

This is only headed in one direction.

Australia is truly fallen. The country and the culture that we thought we had does not exist any more. It has been eaten by the cancer of urbanisation and neo-marxism. Soy latte sipping, inner city, woke social justice types now run the cultural and political agenda in this country.

Like a frog slowly boiling I had an idea of things having gone seriously wrong but couldn't put my finger on what it was. I mean '96 was obvious overreach and I promised myself I'd never vote liberal again, but outside of that glaring problem, things just felt vaguely wrong and getting wronger.

Bare democracy is a truly broken system. In the absence of a strong, constitutionally protected bill of rights, your rights to do anything not actively supported by the majority are headed to zero.

... and again. I always knew what this meant, a lack of a bill of rights, but I guess I must have slept at night relying upon 'she'll be right mate', which aussie politician would want to usher in a new golden age of fascism?

The pandemic has shown political elites and their enforcers that they can easily implement control measures previously beyond their wildest dreams. They just need to drum up a little bit of fear and 70-80% of the population will support any authoritarian measures they say are necessary. These proposed laws are just an example. They wouldn't have considered anything this drastic a few year ago.

and all the years of this weird unsettled feeling comes home in a big way. They've pushed the boundaries, then pushed some more, and then, given our collective compliance, have come to the realization that we the aussie people, will put up with basically anything.

By compartmentalizing their overreach into sections of the community that are individually quite small, the other 95% appear to care less and restriction or worse carries with barely a whimper.

If you like living in a free country, start planning your way out of Australia.

How sad that this is probably the only way forward for free thinking and freedom loving Australians? I'm only middle aged, but already, and for some time now, the country I remember growing up in as a child is gone.

All or most of the western world actually is gripped by pretty much the same creeping cancer. Look at Canada! My god! France, Austria, Germany too, though the Germans appear to be moving one agonizing step after another, but they'll end up in the same place as their neighbors. I had grave fears for Britain as well, though very recent developments are leaving the jury out in my mind - the Brits have a ton of woke related very serious issues, but maybe they can can pull back from the brink?

It almost makes me laugh, given the state of the USA at the moment, but, even given those stark realities, the USA may yet prove to be the only land of the free left standing in a handful of years.

For mine a huge amount rests on what happens in the upcoming federal election. If there isn't a strong election of independents and/or minor parties then that will be the trigger for me - to start to do that which I never thought I'd have to do - plan for a new life in a different country.

[womble]

The USA is not even close to a free country. Democracy in decline on the precipice of falling into a fascist state.
The people are endlessly fighting for political rights, civil liberties, equality before the law. And they never seem to gain any ground.
Plus they export their cultural failings as a bad example for us not to follow.
And then the rest of the western world cops the knee jerk reactionary politics at home with bans and prohibitions on everything.

Try Norway, Sweden, Netherlands, Finland. Switzerland

[Communism_Is_Cancer]

The USA is not even close to a free country. Democracy in decline on the precipice of falling into a fascist state.
The people are endlessly fighting for political rights, civil liberties, equality before the law. And they never seem to gain any ground.
Plus they export their cultural failings as a bad example for us not to follow.
And then the rest of the western world cops the knee jerk reactionary politics at home with bans and prohibitions on everything.

Try Norway, Sweden, Netherlands, Finland. Switzerland

The USA is not a democracy. They are a constitutional republic. They elect political representatives in a democratic fashion but are not a democracy. There is a difference between a republic and a democracy.

You know the old saying how democracy is two wolfs and a lamb deciding what to have for lunch. And a republic is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.

[Communism_Is_Cancer]

Any true Aussie knows deep down that Australia is a crap hole and is not the country we grew up in.