bigpete wrote:If you're shooting them anywhere other than the head or over 200m you're breaking the law....
JohnV wrote: meters .
. Most roos under a light are head shot at about 90 to 150 meters .
mickb wrote:bigpete wrote:If you're shooting them anywhere other than the head or over 200m you're breaking the law....
Depends when he was culling them in relation to the current laws.
mickb wrote:You might want to re-read what I said AND you quoted.
bigpete wrote:If you're shooting them anywhere other than the head or over 200m you're breaking the law....
JohnV wrote:I did most of my roo culling before any codes of conduct were printed . For non commercial shooting now it appears that they have removed the heart shot and it's only a brain shot at no more than 200 meters which is ridiculous for pest culling as they are applying professional standards to many armature shooters .
geoff wrote:JohnV wrote:I did most of my roo culling before any codes of conduct were printed . For non commercial shooting now it appears that they have removed the heart shot and it's only a brain shot at no more than 200 meters which is ridiculous for pest culling as they are applying professional standards to many armature shooters .
I fully support amateur shooters having to comply with the Code. We all should. Ethical killing should be our #1 priority.
Unfortunately there's really no recourse for weekend warriors who go round gut shooting every doe they can find with a dependent joey at foot. They tarnish everyone who does the right thing.
The reality is that chest shooting roos is way too hit and miss, pardon the pun. They're not deer. They absolutely should be headshot if you want to be reliable and the fact that commercial harvesters do it all night every night is just proof that it can be done. If you can't headshoot roos, you shouldn't be doing it.
JohnV wrote:geoff wrote:JohnV wrote:I did most of my roo culling before any codes of conduct were printed . For non commercial shooting now it appears that they have removed the heart shot and it's only a brain shot at no more than 200 meters which is ridiculous for pest culling as they are applying professional standards to many armature shooters .
I fully support amateur shooters having to comply with the Code. We all should. Ethical killing should be our #1 priority.
Unfortunately there's really no recourse for weekend warriors who go round gut shooting every doe they can find with a dependent joey at foot. They tarnish everyone who does the right thing.
The reality is that chest shooting roos is way too hit and miss, pardon the pun. They're not deer. They absolutely should be headshot if you want to be reliable and the fact that commercial harvesters do it all night every night is just proof that it can be done. If you can't headshoot roos, you shouldn't be doing it.
I heart shot is ethical killing . So what about it being legal to kill a wounded roo by crushing his head with a steel bar . Is that more ethical than a heart shot from a suitable rifle ? That is just not right about a chest shot being unreliable . I have seen many messed up head shots and roos running off injured . A chest shot with a 223 using a hollow point style bullet and they will go down every time . The laws for non commercial shooters are not a bout humane culling , they are about making it as hard as possible irrespective of what's humane and what's not . I can head shoot roos all night if I wanted to .
animalpest wrote:So, here is some data on a recent kangaroo cull with roos shot in the brain using a .223 -
animals rendered immediately insensible - 98.93%
not rendered immediately insensible and killed by blunt trauma - 0.0021%.
on_one_wheel wrote:animalpest wrote:So, here is some data on a recent kangaroo cull with roos shot in the brain using a .223 -
animals rendered immediately insensible - 98.93%
not rendered immediately insensible and killed by blunt trauma - 0.0021%.
Obviously I haven't shot a fraction of the roos you would have.
Personally, I can only remember one roo that took a head shot and didn't die instantly. It was the very reason I went out and bought a .223
It was a shot that wasn't perfectly placed, it went through his forehead and gave the poor old bugger a frontal lobotomy... left him just standing there staring into space before a quick follow up shot.
Couppled with the poor placement, the .243 with the 100g heavy jacketed projectiles had no change to transfer much of their energy into the head.
I could have developed another load but though a .223 made more sense.
Iv been extremely impressed with the. 223's ability to transfer all its energy to a roos head.
Occasionally they literally pop, you couldn't design a better round for the job.
Seeing animals suffer is a massive turn off for me, it really makes for a very unpleasant shoot and it leaves me laying in bed at night thinking about it.
animalpest wrote:
Mickb, most people overestimate the range they are shooting roos at night. Varying size roos doesn't help range estimation.
animalpest wrote:Yeah, one night many years ago I shot a roo, took both eyes out and he hopped around blind. 25/06 with 90gr Sierra HP. Now using 75gr V-Max they dont have a head.
Mickb, most people overestimate the range they are shooting roos at night. Varying size roos doesn't help range estimation.
geoff wrote:JohnV wrote:I did most of my roo culling before any codes of conduct were printed . For non commercial shooting now it appears that they have removed the heart shot and it's only a brain shot at no more than 200 meters which is ridiculous for pest culling as they are applying professional standards to many armature shooters .
I fully support amateur shooters having to comply with the Code. We all should. Ethical killing should be our #1 priority.
Unfortunately there's really no recourse for weekend warriors who go round gut shooting every doe they can find with a dependent joey at foot. They tarnish everyone who does the right thing.
The reality is that chest shooting roos is way too hit and miss, pardon the pun. They're not deer. They absolutely should be headshot if you want to be reliable and the fact that commercial harvesters do it all night every night is just proof that it can be done. If you can't headshoot roos, you shouldn't be doing it.
mchughcb wrote:Them weekend warriors, shooting doe roos in the guts?
Are there any here on this forum, because plenty of the fox photos seem to have the entrails hanging out.