Billo wrote:SLightly alarming that QLD Police knew of Nathaniel breaking into QLD and discarding weapons in the flood, where was the follow up.......
bladeracer wrote:Billo wrote:SLightly alarming that QLD Police knew of Nathaniel breaking into QLD and discarding weapons in the flood, where was the follow up.......
It looks like years of anti-social behaviour covered up by the education system. If they had done the right thing these scum should've been on Police radar for the last ten years at least.
Oldbloke wrote:bladeracer wrote:Billo wrote:SLightly alarming that QLD Police knew of Nathaniel breaking into QLD and discarding weapons in the flood, where was the follow up.......
It looks like years of anti-social behaviour covered up by the education system. If they had done the right thing these scum should've been on Police radar for the last ten years at least.
Or the QLD police didnt so their job.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-17/ ... /101783696
wanneroo wrote:I don't know that they were smart enough to be a far right fringe dweller sovereign whatever there Lazarus. That would be giving them too much credit.
Clearly the left will use the tragedy to push more rules and laws on people that will solve nothing and make nothing better. If anything nanny states just make things worse because it takes away personal accountability and responsibility and shifts it to the Borg.
bladeracer wrote:The laws were already in place to prevent Port Arthur, Wellington and Edwards. In the first case Police were entirely deficient, the failures are all on them. In the second he was actually prevented from legally getting firearms here so he went overseas, where Police failed miserably, even after being told about his behaviour by shooters. In the third he was prevented by the guys on the desks but kept pestering Police higher ups until they caved and gave him a pistol to murder his family. Our laws have never been an issue, even pre-'96. The issues that result in this are poor policing, but even worse, complete lack of interest among the community that see people going off the rails and ignore it so they never even show up on Police radar. These fringe dwellers like the remote communities because the Policing is so weak. So many instances of their behaviour seem to have been reported to the education dept, and totally ignored. I would have thought that by the 2010's our education department were well ahead of the ball in this regard, clearly they're not. But surely there must've been at least some complaints made to Police in the past decade?
A shooter posted a thread on a Facebook group that was basically a conspiracy rant, but the point that stood out to me was along the lines of "I don't care if they were nutters, they were on their own property". I see this disinterest in what is happening around you in your community is what causes these problems.
Last year Police were notified about a vehicle breaching their Covid wall _and_ dumping loaded firearms in the river. They came and seized the firearms because "guns bad", but as the vehicle wasn't listed as stolen they did nothing further at all, didn't even chase up a fine for the covid breach. As far as we know at this stage they never even chased up the registered owners of the firearms they seized. Where are these firearms now I wonder. They didn't even collect paperwork that identified the vehicle's driver to make it real easy to chase up a nice fat covid fine. They then lumbered the farmer with all this evidence and told him to get rid of it it, which they are now regretting a year later...after three lives have been lost
str8shutr wrote:bladeracer wrote:str8shutr wrote:For what it's worth, this report indicates that police firearms were acquired (so, I'd guess probably not much more than a Glock 9mm?) and used against police:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDPalCh-R9w&t=55s
This could explain references to semi-auto firearms.
This piece indicates that the shooters may have been in possession of unregistered firearms:
https://youtu.be/ccRudYmg3cs?t=237
Although fair question to ask how can the media can be sure of their intel, e.g. how do they know for certain that "there were no firearms registered to this address"?
I did see a report that the slain officers' sidearms were taken, but why they would use those against tactical Police when they clearly have longarms already doesn't make sense to me.
Not much about this makes sense, really, does it?
Queensland police say the brothers involved in last week’s fatal shootout in Wieambilla both had, or previously held, gun permits and one was subject to an outstanding warrant for breaching COVID border controls last December.
Gareth had previously been subject to a decades-old offence for possessing a firearm with an expired licence. Nathaniel’s had been suspended after the unsecure disposal of two weapons in December, Linford (QPS deputy commissioner) said.
The four officers who arrived around the same time on December 12 would have known he was a registered firearm holder, Linford said.
Six guns were eventually seized from the property — two licensed to Nathaniel, three unregistered and one police were looking into. Three compound bows, arrows and knives were also taken.
Deputy Commissioner Linford said six weapons had been seized from the property during the police crime scene search, along with three bow and arrows and three knives.
"Two of those [guns] were weapons that were registered to Nathaniel Train, three of those were unregistered," she said.
"One of those [firearms] we are following up lines of inquiry to find out who the owner of that particular firearm is."
Oldbloke wrote:https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-22/qld-police-shooting-wieambilla-warrant-nathaniel-train-/101800366
geoff wrote:
As harsh as it sounds, it all actually makes perfect sense for those of us that have been paying attention to the rising prevalence of sovereign citizen rhetoric and conspiratorial behaviour.
It starts low key - have a look at any of the numerous threads on this very forum about something like covid masking, for example. Their mannerisms and quotes are much more common than we give them credit for. This stuff is a terrible pox on a polite society.
Lazarus wrote:
It is a tough question though, the successful pre-emptive removal or even de-escalation of these far right conspiracy types.
How do they do it without overly intrusive surveillance on all the rest of us?
How much personal surveillance are we willing to put up with to ensure they can achieve it?
It seems all the dots were on the page, just that nobody took the time to join them up.
Oldbloke wrote:https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-22/qld-police-shooting-wieambilla-warrant-nathaniel-train-/101800366
wanneroo wrote:Oldbloke wrote:https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-22/qld-police-shooting-wieambilla-warrant-nathaniel-train-/101800366
So more comes out and the individual had prior contact with police on multiple occasions and the police just were not turning up for a welfare check.
They are desperately trying to spin this into some sort of anti government thing but it seems to me there is some sort of weird love triangle going on among other things.
I'm sure there is much more they are not telling the public and there is more to uncover.
wanneroo wrote:
Sounds to me you are more interested in surveilling people for the purposes of identifying people that do not agree with Orwellian one think dictated from the television and government. I'd suspect those in the Australian government are probably thinking the same.