Mr.Seacucumber wrote:Wait a second does that mean you can get a Cat C license with a property letter?
eddahenry wrote:No you dont need a letter for each call as long as the property letter covers the cals you want to get licenced
You need a Property letter for each addition , so you are best off getting them all done at once
IE
4500 acres
Game ,, Rats , cats , wild dogs , rabbits , foxs , pigs and camels will pretty much cover everything from air rifle to 300 win mag
Remember in WA
they dont like you having 2 guns of the same cal , you need to stat the reason why you need 2 ,, one has a 20 inch barrel and is a scrub gun one has a 26 in barrel and is a long range gun ,, s**t like that
they really dont like you having above a 300 win mag ,, for some bulls**t reason
you can submit multiple Cat A and B on one property letter and with 1 addition or new licence
Barbarian wrote:Property letter is just to get you over the line for the application, consider it the price of entry if you don't otherwise have somewhere to shoot at the moment or your property while safe to shoot on, doesn't meet WAPOL's arbitrary minimum property sizes. We can't hunt on crown land in WA so if you don't have a club letter to show you can shoot at a range, the property letter is just showing that you've got somewhere you CAN shoot. Most of the letters are from places like Ella Valla station and Kallbarri Shooting Adventures, so you can go shoot there if you arrange a time and pay any additional costs.
I suspect if crown land hunting was ever permitted that we'd see a change to how/weather property letters are required.
bladeracer wrote:Barbarian wrote:Property letter is just to get you over the line for the application, consider it the price of entry if you don't otherwise have somewhere to shoot at the moment or your property while safe to shoot on, doesn't meet WAPOL's arbitrary minimum property sizes. We can't hunt on crown land in WA so if you don't have a club letter to show you can shoot at a range, the property letter is just showing that you've got somewhere you CAN shoot. Most of the letters are from places like Ella Valla station and Kallbarri Shooting Adventures, so you can go shoot there if you arrange a time and pay any additional costs.
I suspect if crown land hunting was ever permitted that we'd see a change to how/weather property letters are required.
This is the stupidest part of them enforcing this property size rubbish, which is not law. To shoot on your own 100 acre property you need to buy a letter saying you can shoot on a 5000 acre property, even though you have zero intention of ever shooting anywhere but your own property, but you can't licence a rifle on your own property because "it's too small", even though you can legally shoot there.
Somebody really needs to challenge them in court over this property size crap, they should not be allowed to make stuff up and claim it to be law. You can lawfully shoot on any size property in WA, there is no legislated minimum land size.
Toadstool wrote:Let me get this right.
In WA you can get a property letter for some place you won't shoot at.
And then it's LEGAL to shoot those rifles on your property?
I don't mean a suburban backyard. More like a 15 or so acres little farm. So by law (personal opinion aside), this would be completely fine?
bladeracer wrote:There is no legislated minimum property size for shooting in any Australian state. Outside influences might make it illegal, mainly regarding safety and noise concerns. Talk to your local Police to confirm as they will be the people coming to visit if anybody complains.
Oldbloke wrote:bladeracer wrote:
This is the stupidest part of them enforcing this property size rubbish, which is not law. To shoot on your own 100 acre property you need to buy a letter saying you can shoot on a 5000 acre property, even though you have zero intention of ever shooting anywhere but your own property, but you can't licence a rifle on your own property because "it's too small", even though you can legally shoot there.
Somebody really needs to challenge them in court over this property size crap, they should not be allowed to make stuff up and claim it to be law. You can lawfully shoot on any size property in WA, there is no legislated minimum land size.
That indicates there is no oversight of WA Police management.
Barbarian wrote:Preaching to the choir lads.
Unfortunately I don't think any legal challenge would have much merit. They can easily pull up statistics to prove that even a .22lr is lethal at some absurd range while being blown around by the wind and that would likely be enough justification in the eyes of a court that don't know anything about guns. Obviously the case would need to be argued based on the legality of hunting on smaller properties and shooting safety principles but such a challenge could just as likely cause minimum property size to be introduced at WAPOL figures into legislation.
End of the day it helps to do some networking if your serious about shooting in WA, even if it means starting out with your local club and finding out if someone there is willing to right you a letter for a six pack or something.
bladeracer wrote:It doesn't matter what they pull out of somewhere, there is no law that allows them to make specific property size requirements thus they simply should not be allowed to do it. The fact that all other states don't have such a requirement on property sizes, despite having much smaller properties and much denser population concentration should be sufficient to prove to any court that it is unjustified.
Networking to get access to properties within WA is entirely unreasonable. If travelling 3500km to hunt on a million-acre Kimberly property is accepted as perfectly fine then it should be equally acceptable to travel 3000kms to hunt in a 50-acre state forest in Victoria where you don't require any permission from anybody. Considering how much of the WA population are FIFO that live in other states anyway it seems perfectly acceptable to me.
I know ACT has no hunting at all, private or public, all they have there is pest control on private property. I'm now curious whether ACT residents can get "Hunting" on their licence at all since anybody there can only hunt in other states anyway. My brother used us as his hunting permission when he lived in Canberra so I'm guessing it is accepted. He never had to do compulsory shoots because he had our property permission in Victoria.
I think somebody should survey to see how many WA residents hunt and shoot in other states, then give those figures to WA Police and have the property letter requirements thrown out entirely.
Barbarian wrote:I agree blade, its not in the law. But the WA act gives the commissioner sweeping powers in the name of community safety to deny licenses without explanation.
Interstate hunting and shooting is a great point and I'd like see a legal challenge based around that. I've gone to SA myself to shoot PRS.
Toadstool wrote:Let me get this right.
In WA you can get a property letter for some place you won't shoot at.
And then it's LEGAL to shoot those rifles on your property?
I don't mean a suburban backyard. More like a 15 or so acres little farm. So by law (personal opinion aside), this would be completely fine?
geoff wrote:Toadstool wrote:Let me get this right.
There's a few caveats to that, such as being illegal to discharge a firearm in a manner that causes fear to the public (and this is the offence you might get done for on a small hobby block if your neighbours suck ass).
Toadstool wrote:Wow, that sounds like a law that can be abused. Surely that would only fly if maybe you were shooting towards that neighbors property. But I'm guessing wankers would use it even if your wern't because the sound scares them right? Need some kinda science fiction device to reduce the sound of gunshots. I bet once that's figured out our government will make it mandatory so everyones happy!