23 000 000 Rounds delivered to Ukraine

[JohnV]

US delivers 23 000 000 rounds to Ukraine so no wonder some ammunition and components is in short supply .

[rc42]

The US military has its own munition manufacturing capability, just as every country should, so this shouldn't affect commercial supplies too much.

On the other hand, the extra millions of first time firearm owners in the US since Covid, BLM, police defunding and other chaos has created unprecedented demand for ammunition, this in turn has reduced the amount available for the reloading market.

It will be several years before this all settles down, especially as those that were caught short and going to keep much larger stockpile in the future, I certainly will.

[northdude]

Out of all those rounds I wonder how many kills they get

[Oldbloke]

Out of all those rounds I wonder how many kills they get

23?

[deye243]

Biden signed a executive order last month commandeering natural resources for ammunition production apparently there is nothing that can restrict them from doing this so brass copper zinc you name it all that lovely stuff is about to get very short in supply

[Lazarus]

Biden signed a executive order last month commandeering natural resources for ammunition production apparently there is nothing that can restrict them from doing this so brass copper zinc you name it all that lovely stuff is about to get very short in supply

Absolutely Deye, it's only starting to bite.

Finland will need a squillion rounds of everything to ensure interoperability, now they've joined NATO.

They may stick with the 7.62x39 RK-62, but it seems unlikely.

[wanneroo]

Over here in the USA prices are falling and supplies are starting to fill up shelves. No shortage of .223 or 5.56 in bulk. A lot of the bulk 5.56 sold on shelves in the USA is rejects from the military production lines.

I use 9mm as a gauge for affordability and it is now falling down to $12 to $13 a box online.

Usually summertime here is quiet time at the gun stores, especially June, so I expect to see some decent sales this summer.

Even gunpowder for reloaders is filling shelves to the point there are even some sales with the big online vendors. Bullet supply is also filling up. When I bought a few pounds of powder a few weeks ago I paid $31 a pound for Power Pistol and I think $43 a pound for Vihtavouri 3N37.

Primers are becoming more available but they are holding prices in the $70-$100 range a thousand. I'm nowhere near running out on primers but my supplies are falling, so I may have to suck it up and plump for the higher prices to keep stores at levels I am happy with. My main concern is small pistol primers.

[JohnV]

The US military has its own munition manufacturing capability, just as every country should, so this shouldn't affect commercial supplies too much.

On the other hand, the extra millions of first time firearm owners in the US since Covid, BLM, police defunding and other chaos has created unprecedented demand for ammunition, this in turn has reduced the amount available for the reloading market.

It will be several years before this all settles down, especially as those that were caught short and going to keep much larger stockpile in the future, I certainly will.

Not true the US uses many commercial manufacturers like Sierra , Hornady . Federal and others to fill the gaps . Things are improving though as they would have filled the contracts by now .

[animalpest]

Out of all those rounds I wonder how many kills they get

Nothing to have 100,000 rounds per kill. If the US alone manufactured 23 billion rounds of small arms manufacture (10,000,000+ per day) and 80% of kills were from artillery, during WWII, you get the picture

[Lazarus]

I saw a video the other day of a Ukrainian Challenger 2 slowly motoring along a Russian trench, the Orcs had obviously run out of anti tank ammo.
The tank was giving them the good news with its main gun from M67 lobbing range.

All mist, mud trenches and artillery blasted trees, very Armageddon-like.

Reports suggest that as in WW1, artillery is king in WW3

[bladeracer]

I saw a video the other day of a Ukrainian Challenger 2 slowly motoring along a Russian trench, the Orcs had obviously run out of anti tank ammo.
The tank was giving them the good news with its main gun from M67 lobbing range.

All mist, mud trenches and artillery blasted trees, very Armageddon-like.

Reports suggest that as in WW1, artillery is king in WW3

The drone footage is eerily reminiscent of colourised WW1 trench warfare, mud, mist, everything the same dull grey, including the people. How the hell they can tell who the enemy is is beyond me.

[Lazarus]

The Russians wear a bit of red tape on their arm or somewhere visible and the humans wear blue or yellow tape

[northdude]

If it shoots at you its enemy

[Lazarus]

If it shoots at you its enemy

Good point.

Friendly fire, isn't.

[northdude]

friendly or not they are shooting at you to kill you. either kill them or they are going to kill you

[mchughcb]

23M rounds doesn't mean anything when Russia is dropping guided FAB and taking out entire buildings from 55km away.

Bakmut is almost done by the Wagner's. 15k troops trapped. Things are going very Bradley for Ukraine .

[Bergararse]

I think Vietnam was 50,000 rounds per kill?

[BNR964]

How many rounds per hit……when playing with cgi sims, for me it was about 77 per hit. Turns out that figure 11 targets are hard to hit when they move. Not sure what that figure would have been if they shot back, prolly a lot more.

[wrenchman]

lake city army ammunition plant makes a lot of military stuff but a lot does come from other makers and military sales come first what is the real bad thing is all the things we are giving away have to be replaced and paid for it drives the u.s. dollar value down

[bladeracer]

How many rounds per hit……when playing with cgi sims, for me it was about 77 per hit. Turns out that figure 11 targets are hard to hit when they move. Not sure what that figure would have been if they shot back, prolly a lot more.

At what distance? Figure 11's are pretty big targets, even when they're moving.

[in2anity]

At what distance? Figure 11's are pretty big targets, even when they're moving.

Depends on how fast it's moving now don't it Running man is no more, due to safety issues, so the movers are at most a slow walk now - so indeed pretty easy to get 10/10 from the sit at 200m; just give it a fractional hold, but basically hold on it and pull the trigger at the right time. It was much harder to get 10/10, back when they were fast jogging speed.

All this stuff is moot anyway - real life engagements are overwhelmingly at very close range. Mostly they just blindly spray while maneuver/assault or call in CAS or mech to break a pin. Fire and move, usually in the form of a base of fire + moving element. US doctrine since nam. Volume over accuracy.

[bladeracer]

At what distance? Figure 11's are pretty big targets, even when they're moving.

Depends on how fast it's moving now don't it Running man is no more, due to safety issues, so the movers are at most a slow walk now - so indeed pretty easy to get 10/10 from the sit at 200m; just give it a fractional hold, but basically hold on it and pull the trigger at the right time. It was much harder to get 10/10, back when they were fast jogging speed.

All this stuff is moot anyway - real life engagements are overwhelmingly at very close range. Mostly they just blindly spray while maneuver/assault or call in CAS or mech to break a pin. Fire and move, usually in the form of a base of fire + moving element. US doctrine since nam. Volume over accuracy.

If we were doing "suppresive fire" shoots I'd be pretty good I reckon