When is a ML Loaded? (Victorian Law)

[Jackaroo]

SSAA are the biggest shooting mob in Victoria, run the most ranges and therefore the most BP target, so most BP shooters would be on a SSAA range and would abide by SSAA procedures, I don't know which "hundreds of Black Powder clubs" you refer to but the only non-SSAA BP club I've shot at also didn't allow touching of guns during cease fire, would be interested to know those Victorian BP Clubs who did..

You say that "SSAA are the biggest shooting mob in Victoria, run the most ranges and therefore the most BP target, so most BP shooters would be on a SSAA range and would abide by SSAA procedures".

Googling SSAA Victorian ranges I find seven (7) -

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So is that above right or wrong?

Because if that's correct, they are vastly outnumbered by the TWENTY SEVEN (27) Victorian Amateur Pistol Association Clubs.

[Oldbloke]

That's also my understanding Jackaroo.
Then there is:

VRA https://www.vra.asn.au/rifle-ranges

[deye243]

Who would you prefer they get reputable technical knowledge and advice from ?

Reputable technical knowledge regarding hunting and not range activities should come from ADA Field and Game and whoever else specialises in blood sports.

[Oldbloke]

Who would you prefer they get reputable technical knowledge and advice from ?

Reputable technical knowledge regarding hunting and not range activities should come from ADA Field and Game and whoever else specialises in blood sports.

100%

[Jackaroo]

That's also my understanding Jackaroo.
Then there is:

VRA https://www.vra.asn.au/rifle-ranges

That's another 37 non-SSAA shooting ranges. so far that's 64 to the SSAA's 7.

If VIC is anything like Sydney you could throw in a few small bore clubs and indoor Air Ranges that many of the private schools and some clubs have.

It's good to stop scuttlebutt spreading with the likes of comments "SSAA are the biggest shooting mob in Victoria, run the most ranges".

[Jackaroo]

Had an hour to spare with pelting down rain this arvo, Googling all the different (NON - SSAA) shooting clubs in Victoria....for one of Australia's smaller states absolutely fantastic to see how well my Victorian shooting brethren are catered for down there in Mexico

One thing pollies don't really take into account when they attack the shooting sports, is the amount of employment it sustains with wholesalers, retailers, gunsmiths, transport companies and on and on.
And with our hunting fraternity.....the cost of petrol, meals, accommodation etc etc etc that small towns need for their survival.

[bladeracer]

Had an hour to spare with pelting down rain this arvo, Googling all the different (NON - SSAA) shooting clubs in Victoria....for one of Australia's smaller states absolutely fantastic to see how well my Victorian shooting brethren are catered for down there in Mexico

One thing pollies don't really take into account when they attack the shooting sports, is the amount of employment it sustains with wholesalers, retailers, gunsmiths, transport companies and on and on.
And with our hunting fraternity.....the cost of petrol, meals, accommodation etc etc etc that small towns need for their survival.

Some fool on a Facebook group a couple weeks ago was trying to spruik that birdwatching brings in multiple times more money to rural communities than duck shooters I would think one month of duck shooting would do more for the community than several years of birdwatching. I have known birdwatchers and they often spend nothing at all. Some of the photographers spend heaps on their equipment, but that doesn't help the local communities at all.

[Jackaroo]

Some fool on a Facebook group a couple weeks ago was trying to spruik that birdwatching brings in multiple times more money to rural communities than duck shooters I would think one month of duck shooting would do more for the community than several years of birdwatching. I have known birdwatchers and they often spend nothing at all. Some of the photographers spend heaps on their equipment, but that doesn't help the local communities at all.

What utter BS, duck shooting would be a mega industry if managed like they do in the U.S.A.

I've been watching these TV series from the USA like Texas Game Warden (there's a few now from different US states) and the way they organise hunting and hunting licences....it keeps small towns alive and the hunting licences pays for the salaries of the game wardens.

Australia could learn so much!

[Oldbloke]

Had an hour to spare with pelting down rain this arvo, Googling all the different (NON - SSAA) shooting clubs in Victoria....for one of Australia's smaller states absolutely fantastic to see how well my Victorian shooting brethren are catered for down there in Mexico

One thing pollies don't really take into account when they attack the shooting sports, is the amount of employment it sustains with wholesalers, retailers, gunsmiths, transport companies and on and on.
And with our hunting fraternity.....the cost of petrol, meals, accommodation etc etc etc that small towns need for their survival.

Some fool on a Facebook group a couple weeks ago was trying to spruik that birdwatching brings in multiple times more money to rural communities than duck shooters I would think one month of duck shooting would do more for the community than several years of birdwatching. I have known birdwatchers and they often spend nothing at all. Some of the photographers spend heaps on their equipment, but that doesn't help the local communities at all.

Yep, I think your pretty close to the mark.
Apart from a local swamp where I once met a bird watcher and once about a year ago in NSW. They are the total number of bird watchers (2) I've seen in 68 years. Seen plenty of hunters in the bush though.

Oops I tell a lie. I do a bit of bird watching while I'm hunting. Lol

[No1Mk3]

SSAA are the biggest shooting mob in Victoria, run the most ranges and therefore the most BP target, so most BP shooters would be on a SSAA range and would abide by SSAA procedures, I don't know which "hundreds of Black Powder clubs" you refer to but the only non-SSAA BP club I've shot at also didn't allow touching of guns during cease fire, would be interested to know those Victorian BP Clubs who did..

You say that "SSAA are the biggest shooting mob in Victoria, run the most ranges and therefore the most BP target, so most BP shooters would be on a SSAA range and would abide by SSAA procedures".

Googling SSAA Victorian ranges I find seven (7) -

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So is that above right or wrong?

Because if that's correct, they are vastly outnumbered by the TWENTY SEVEN (27) Victorian Amateur Pistol Association Clubs.

Really Jackaroo, what a load of dribble. There are in fact 70 clubs within VAPA with a total membership of 2000. SSAA Victoria has 40,000 members. last time I checked 40K was larger than 2K. Granted not every one in SSAA is a pistol shooter let alone BP, but then not every VAPA member shoots BP either, I know I don't and neither does anyone else I know, all BP shooting I do is at SSAA Eagle Park. And the question was which clubs allowed handling of firearms whilst other shooters were forward of the line, funny you mention VAPA because VAPA Range Rules, like SSAA, also forbid this behaviour. Your statement insinuates that it is OK to handle C&B revolvers whilst others are scoring as long as you don't cap, I stated you would not do this in Victoria at a SSAA range to which you stated there are "hundreds" of other ranges where you shoot including Victoria that are not SSAA, again insinuating that you can load charge and ball into C&B revolvers whilst people are forward. I asked you to name them, best you can do is VAPA, and as I pointed out VAPA would not allow this either. Final point on SSAA being the biggest shooting organization, PA represents 20,000 shooters, SSAA 200,000+

[Jackaroo]

Really Jackaroo, what a load of dribble. There are in fact 70 clubs within VAPA with a total membership of 2000. SSAA Victoria has 40,000 members. last time I checked 40K was larger than 2K. Granted not every one in SSAA is a pistol shooter let alone BP, but then not every VAPA member shoots BP either, I know I don't and neither does anyone else I know, all BP shooting I do is at SSAA Eagle Park. And the question was which clubs allowed handling of firearms whilst other shooters were forward of the line, funny you mention VAPA because VAPA Range Rules, like SSAA, also forbid this behaviour. Your statement insinuates that it is OK to handle C&B revolvers whilst others are scoring as long as you don't cap, I stated you would not do this in Victoria at a SSAA range to which you stated there are "hundreds" of other ranges where you shoot including Victoria that are not SSAA, again insinuating that you can load charge and ball into C&B revolvers whilst people are forward. I asked you to name them, best you can do is VAPA, and as I pointed out VAPA would not allow this either. Final point on SSAA being the biggest shooting organization, PA represents 20,000 shooters, SSAA 200,000+

Mate you're still giving the SSAA wayyyy to much credence. Have you ever shot at a VAPA range?
There's a BIG reason that PA clubs don't allow SSAA members to shoot pistols on their ranges besides just Capitation.....its because SSAA shooters don't know how to even shoot the competitive pistol matches to the rules. Your VAPA clubs down there (I know I've competed on a lot of them) don't allow two handed hold for the Olympic and Commonwealth Games pistol matches and they certainly don't shoot thirty (30) shot series between scoring like the feedback is that so many SSAA clubs allow.

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[No1Mk3]

At loading tables, facing away from others, a form of safety zone, away from the firing line which is NOT what you insinuated. Be consistent.

[Jackaroo]

At loading tables, facing away from others, a form of safety zone, away from the firing line which is NOT what you insinuated. Be consistent.

Give it up mate....you're wrong, be a man.

You've read the PA rules, if you knew what you were talking about and not so SSAA centric you would know the table (long bench or individual table) can be directly behind the shooter or in a position that the RO is happy with.. The competitor just has to turn around to the loading bench and can start putting powder, filler, ball and grease into their BP cylinders WHILST range crew is DOWN RANGE. On some ranges that don't have a lot of room the tables can be either directly to the right or left of the competitor. I have shot at countless ranges where the designated loading table is the front table that each competitor is shooting from.

What the rules are at SSAA ranges hold zero interest to me. I'm a competitive shooter, not just a 'gun owner'.

I have competed at the highest levels of Black Powder (International Matches, 25M, 50M, Fixed sight pistol, Adjustable sight pistol, Replica Single shot, Modern Single shot and also ISSF, Service Pistol & IPSC. (just to emphasize my knowledge so you may get the message, I have hundreds of BP Trophies, Plaques and Certificates, yes not counting all my other achievements in other disciplines, just for BP) .

And once again, stop drinking the SSAA Kool-Aid mate.

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