Jackaroo wrote:Hard to believe that ADI would just leave Aussie shooters out on a limb. Makes one really wonder what's behind it.
Blr243 wrote:I think in my business if I had some problem with a certain style of service I was providing that wasn’t working and it was costing me money , I would get jack of it real quick , esp if I had other lucrative work that was keeping me real busy ...for example ... I won’t build retaining Walls or carports and I won’t lay turf ... simply because they are hardwork for bugger all money. so I can sort of understand why adi appears uninterested in making pistol powder
bladeracer wrote:
What's behind it is that they decommissioned the original production line to build the new line...that doesn't work, so they can't just go back to doing it the old way that worked. Until they get it working they can't produce the fast powders.
bladeracer wrote:In this case though they already invested a pile in the new production line, that hasn't returned any of that investment for more than two years now. I would think they would want to get it working.
Oldbloke wrote:bladeracer wrote:In this case though they already invested a pile in the new production line, that hasn't returned any of that investment for more than two years now. I would think they would want to get it working.
That would make sense. And for the time being they can't make it. Nothing to do with treating us with contempt. To be blunt, it's a major cock up.
No1Mk3 wrote:Oldbloke wrote:bladeracer wrote:In this case though they already invested a pile in the new production line, that hasn't returned any of that investment for more than two years now. I would think they would want to get it working.
That would make sense. And for the time being they can't make it. Nothing to do with treating us with contempt. To be blunt, it's a major cock up.
The fact that they are not even looking at the problem at the moment, and have no intention of doing so this year is contemptuous.
No1Mk3 wrote:Oldbloke wrote:bladeracer wrote:In this case though they already invested a pile in the new production line, that hasn't returned any of that investment for more than two years now. I would think they would want to get it working.
That would make sense. And for the time being they can't make it. Nothing to do with treating us with contempt. To be blunt, it's a major cock up.
The fact that they are not even looking at the problem at the moment, and have no intention of doing so this year is contemptuous.
mickb wrote:So how well did this age? Has ADI made any further announcements? Anyone ever get a good reason why apart from the loss of pistol powders they never ran Ar2205 again ?
Would seem to be hugely profitable now being no magnum pistol powders have been around for years, a totally captive market in fact, and the yanks are asking for it too.
I think as the years go on, and its been years now, the apologists are going to have to bend further and further backward to explain all this. Some blokes must be folded almost in half already
Billo wrote:The simple answer is the French Govt/thales dont give a crap about Aussies shooters and this would simply be a commercial decision. We are the pimple on the global pistol shooting butt.
As to an attack on Pistol shooting, that's just an easy assumption too make but without foundation.
NIOA control most of the market and have the ability to import Pistol powders but makes a bunch more $$$ selling Loaded ammo, its all about PROFIT.
Jackaroo wrote:End of August 2023 reply from ADI
mickb wrote:Billo wrote:The simple answer is the French Govt/thales dont give a crap about Aussies shooters and this would simply be a commercial decision. We are the pimple on the global pistol shooting butt.
As to an attack on Pistol shooting, that's just an easy assumption too make but without foundation.
NIOA control most of the market and have the ability to import Pistol powders but makes a bunch more $$$ selling Loaded ammo, its all about PROFIT.
mate the sector of reloading has always been profitable, highly, and still is in the 50 or so countries worldwide who allow their citizens to do it.
deye243 wrote:Well not in Australia I k ow a couple of bloke who went to the last NIOA I think it was and they were told that the Australian arms market is just .2% of the world market so with less than 1% of shooters and hunters reloading I don't see it being very profitable here .
mickb wrote:If you email them, let us know what they say mate.
particularly interested why they took Ar2205 off the market as its the elephant in the room here . Its not the least common rifle powder, everyone wants it, including the buying power of North America and it would have a captive market here.
Those of us more in the conspiracy camp worry the ditching of Ar2205 is associated with a general attack on pistol cart reloading.
Those in the other camp just plain ignore its loss since it doesn't gel with any explanation from ADI or one they can make up themselves
The one thing we can all agree on is it needs an answer.
Billo wrote:The simple answer is the French Govt/thales dont give a crap about Aussies shooters and this would simply be a commercial decision. We are the pimple on the global pistol shooting butt.
As to an attack on Pistol shooting, that's just an easy assumption too make but without foundation.
NIOA control most of the market and have the ability to import Pistol powders but makes a bunch more $$$ selling Loaded ammo, its all about PROFIT.
mickb wrote:mate the sector of reloading has always been profitable, highly, and still is in the 50 or so countries worldwide who allow their citizens to do it.
mickb wrote:well its good news that ADI said testing APS and TB over the next 12 months, thanks jackaroo for posting
bladeracer wrote:Billo wrote:
Are you sure NOA can import powders? There are shortages right across the world that I can see. I'm quite sure they legally can but if they can't get the powder how do they import it?