Luftballons wrote:Hey mate,
I wanted to do the same so I emailed WAPol.
They said this:
"The difference between a stock and a chassis. A STOCK is a unit that has no working parts required to be removed from the working unit to disassemble the firearm.
Simply remove the two screws and removing the working unit. Not classed as a major part, ( you may change it over yourself )
If a CHASSIS require any further removal or separation of parts, safety lever, mag release, trigger housing, then it would have to be done via Dealership / repairer."
Also have a look at the definition of major firearm part in section 4 of the Act: https://www8.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/vie ... 02/s4.html. The definition does not include a stock.
I would email WAPol yourself so that you have a record that applies to exactly what you are trying to do. I have always found them to very helpful.
Cheers
Dbk wrote:Im not a lawyer but surely a govt website with information and advice and an actual response from licencing in black and white would be sufficient 'protection'.
A bit like the time when everyone was going nuts about reloading ammo being banned etc. It's clear on the wapol website that reloading ammo you are licenced to use for only personal use is fine. How would it hold up on court if they decided to prosecute people for reloading ammo just because it was written in what we perceive to be a vague way. If you were reloading ammo and giving or selling it to the bikie next door.. Then that would be a big problem....
Dbk wrote:Im not a lawyer but surely a govt website with information and advice and an actual response from licencing in black and white would be sufficient 'protection'.
A bit like the time when everyone was going nuts about reloading ammo being banned etc. It's clear on the wapol website that reloading ammo you are licenced to use for only personal use is fine. How would it hold up on court if they decided to prosecute people for reloading ammo just because it was written in what we perceive to be a vague way. If you were reloading ammo and giving or selling it to the bikie next door.. Then that would be a big problem....
Dbk wrote:An update for those who may be asking the same thing.
A bit of back and forth with one of the licensing officers came to this conclusion
Ultimately they don't want you fiddling with taking apart any major firearm parts eg trigger mechanism etc when changing over stocks or 'chassis' systems. An approval doesn't seem to be required. It's who is allowed to do it ie DIY or someone with a 'repairers licence'.
Taking the 2 action screws out, detaching stock and replacing barrelled action into a stock completely untouched is fine. You can do it yourself. Anything require more fiddling will require someone who is licenced.
Folding stocks and detachable stocks with pistol grips are a no no. If you look carefully at some of the products out there, you it seems you could unscrew the butt stock and be left with the pistol grip in a firearm that can be fired... Better be careful when buying such a chassis or stock
bladeracer wrote:Dbk wrote:An update for those who may be asking the same thing.
A bit of back and forth with one of the licensing officers came to this conclusion
Ultimately they don't want you fiddling with taking apart any major firearm parts eg trigger mechanism etc when changing over stocks or 'chassis' systems. An approval doesn't seem to be required. It's who is allowed to do it ie DIY or someone with a 'repairers licence'.
Taking the 2 action screws out, detaching stock and replacing barrelled action into a stock completely untouched is fine. You can do it yourself. Anything require more fiddling will require someone who is licenced.
Folding stocks and detachable stocks with pistol grips are a no no. If you look carefully at some of the products out there, you it seems you could unscrew the butt stock and be left with the pistol grip in a firearm that can be fired... Better be careful when buying such a chassis or stock
My Ruger Americans dropped into the MDT LSS chassis with no effort at all, it's a five-minute job at most (don't even have to remove the scope). But from what you're saying they probably aren't legal in WA as you can unscrew the buffer tube. Some of MDT's other options don't use buffer tubes but I think the stocks are still removable. Is the Ruger Precision Rimfire legal over there? You can remove half of the butt stock without tools. Are rifles illegal over there without a butt stock even if they still exceed the minimum overall length?
Faedy wrote:Ruger Precision Rimfires are legal here but the butt stock is fixed.
In saying that, I know of a dealer selling other brands that use buffer tube so go figure.
Faedy wrote:Ruger Precision Rimfires are legal here but the butt stock is fixed.
In saying that, I know of a dealer selling other brands that use buffer tube so go figure.
[/quote]Faedy wrote:You've lost me.
The RPR in WA have a 1 piece stock. Ir butt stock is also part of for end.
All gin shops sell them so bo need to talk to Police.
As for the shop selling firearms with removable butt stock. I think he is flouting the rules as it simply unscrews with a gland spanner.
quote="bladeracer"]Faedy wrote:Ruger Precision Rimfires are legal here but the butt stock is fixed.
In saying that, I know of a dealer selling other brands that use buffer tube so go figure.
Fixed doesn't make it non-removable though, and it leaves the pistol grip intact for shooting. Is there something in this legislation about it being fine to remove the buttstock as long as it requires use of a tool?
Did you get this discussion with Licencing in writing or is it just an officer's opinion?
bladeracer wrote:Faedy wrote:Ruger Precision Rimfires are legal here but the butt stock is fixed.
In saying that, I know of a dealer selling other brands that use buffer tube so go figure.
Fixed doesn't make it non-removable though, and it leaves the pistol grip intact for shooting. Is there something in this legislation about it being fine to remove the buttstock as long as it requires use of a tool?
Did you get this discussion with Licencing in writing or is it just an officer's opinion?
JohnV wrote:A 303 Lee Enfield has a removable butt , would that rifle be illegal in WA ?