No1_49er wrote:Sometime, maybe not in my lifetime, this whole "climate change" narrative will be shown to be one of the biggest scams perpetrated on a gullible populace.
And you will regain the use of your diesel powered utes when it is shown just how massive the lie is re' the virtues of battery power.
For anybody who doubts that, take some time to investigate the amount of energy required, from start to finish, to produce a (usually Lithium ion) battery.
No1Mk3 wrote:We know full well the climate is changing, but as Waneroo pointed out it always has. 15000 years ago there were ice sheets in New Guinea, Mt Kosciuszko was glaciated, as was virtually all of Tassie, the Great Barrier Reef literally didn't exist and Aborigine lived and hunted on a great plain East of the current Qld coast. Then the planet started a warming cycle which saw the glaciers leave, the sea rose and drove the Abo out of the plains, ( they literally watched the GBR grow where they used to live). The Earth has had a number of Ice Ages with warm periods between them and we are in another Inter-Glacial. No coal power stations or petrol/diesel cars 12000 years ago to "cause" global warming, just Mother Earth. The scientific argument was about the RATE of warming and what needed to be done to cope with the effects BEFORE disaster overtook low lying countries as it was coming and couldn't be prevented, only prepared for and doing what we could to not accelerate the RATE of warming. This whole concept hase been kidnapped by Slime-Green wankers and Vegan rat-bags who are pushing an anti-modern agenda whilst indulging in the most massive hypocrisy of living a modern life-style dependant on mining iron ore to make steel and sand/gravel to make concrete for their inner city hovels. Now they scream "stop global wrming" ( we can't, it is a planetary process) and vilify anyone who triess to tell them that.
wanneroo wrote:Climate has been changing since the dawn of time and will continue to change. If it didn't, the planet would be dead like Mars. All of these cycles are the way for the earth to cleanse and regenerate itself and pompous people somehow think they can interfere and regulate the earth like a thermostat at will.
And especially ridiculous is linking climate change to cars and trucks, that is a real hoot of all.
The western world is under attack from evil malthusian technocrats who use all sorts of excuses and hysterias to convince the normies they need to not reproduce, pay more taxes and rid themselves of any modernity with the end goal being to reduce the population and contain the world in a prison planet. Meanwhile they are flying into "climate change conferences" on their private jet with 40 car motorcades and dining on steak, lobster and cavier with $50K bottles of wine.
Watch what these people DO, not what they say. If the planet was being killed by all this they wouldn't have $100 million yachts, private jets and 40 car motorcades.
In 1986, the local meteorologist came to my elementary school and told us about the "greenhouse effect" and how Miami and New York would be under water by 2000.
Miami and NYC are still with us and if they do end up under water one day, well, it's the natural state of the world for things to change and humans will adapt as they always do.
No1_49er wrote:A couple of comparison pictures for you.
And the sea level rose how much?
on_one_wheel wrote:give ev another 20 years and it'll be mainstream.
No1Mk3 wrote:We know full well the climate is changing, but as Waneroo pointed out it always has. 15000 years ago there were ice sheets in New Guinea, Mt Kosciuszko was glaciated, as was virtually all of Tassie, the Great Barrier Reef literally didn't exist and Aborigine lived and hunted on a great plain East of the current Qld coast. Then the planet started a warming cycle which saw the glaciers leave, the sea rose and drove the Abo out of the plains, ( they literally watched the GBR grow where they used to live). The Earth has had a number of Ice Ages with warm periods between them and we are in another Inter-Glacial. No coal power stations or petrol/diesel cars 12000 years ago to "cause" global warming, just Mother Earth. The scientific argument was about the RATE of warming and what needed to be done to cope with the effects BEFORE disaster overtook low lying countries as it was coming and couldn't be prevented, only prepared for and doing what we could to not accelerate the RATE of warming. This whole concept hase been kidnapped by Slime-Green wankers and Vegan rat-bags who are pushing an anti-modern agenda whilst indulging in the most massive hypocrisy of living a modern life-style dependant on mining iron ore to make steel and sand/gravel to make concrete for their inner city hovels. Now they scream "stop global wrming" ( we can't, it is a planetary process) and vilify anyone who triess to tell them that.
deye243 wrote:wanneroo wrote:Climate has been changing since the dawn of time and will continue to change. If it didn't, the planet would be dead like Mars. All of these cycles are the way for the earth to cleanse and regenerate itself and pompous people somehow think they can interfere and regulate the earth like a thermostat at will.
And especially ridiculous is linking climate change to cars and trucks, that is a real hoot of all.
The western world is under attack from evil malthusian technocrats who use all sorts of excuses and hysterias to convince the normies they need to not reproduce, pay more taxes and rid themselves of any modernity with the end goal being to reduce the population and contain the world in a prison planet. Meanwhile they are flying into "climate change conferences" on their private jet with 40 car motorcades and dining on steak, lobster and cavier with $50K bottles of wine.
Watch what these people DO, not what they say. If the planet was being killed by all this they wouldn't have $100 million yachts, private jets and 40 car motorcades.
In 1986, the local meteorologist came to my elementary school and told us about the "greenhouse effect" and how Miami and New York would be under water by 2000.
Miami and NYC are still with us and if they do end up under water one day, well, it's the natural state of the world for things to change and humans will adapt as they always do.
Best thing I have read in a long time .
I was having a discussion with a greeny in the local pub one day and he's was babbling on about climate change and how the water levels are rising so I Politely asked him if he could explain to me how the water level down the local boat ramps here in my town have not risen for more than 50 years Other than tidle and wind effects. He was speechless funny as
Lazarus wrote:No1_49er wrote:A couple of comparison pictures for you.
And the sea level rose how much?
Seriously, pictures.
Taken when, by whom?
I can take one picture at high tide and one at low tide and claim that sea level is dropping, and there'll be those who believe it, because they want to.
Glaciers are shrinking by 1.2 trillion tons of ice per year, that's 1.2 quadrillion litres, where is it you think that water is going, if not into the sea?
How about we take it from the people who study the ocean and who actully know what they're talking about, backed up by peer reviewed studies.
https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/sea ... 20glaciers.
No1_49er wrote:Here are some interesting questions that always seem to flummox the "green brigade".
Is it true that photosynthesis in plant life converts CO2 into Oxygen while sequestering the Carbon component?
Is that the basis for encouraging the planting of forests and rewarding the owners with “Carbon credits”?
Can you state, with scientific reference (evidence), what the ideal level of atmospheric CO2 is?
Do you contend that man-made CO2 will lead to a climate catastrophe?
Do you contend that anthropogenic CO2 production must be reduced to zero (nett zero)?
If the world-wide anthropogenic CO2 production is reduced to zero, and plants continue to photosynthesise CO2, does that mean the global CO2 portion of our atmosphere (CO2 ppm) will decline?
Do you contend that the declining CO2 level will “cure”, or reverse, the climate change?
If CO2 levels continue to decline, what will the effect be on plant life?
Is it true that edible plant production is improved / increased by artificially raising the CO2 level in the atmosphere within a green-house?
Oldbloke wrote:"These regulations, aligned with ‘Euro 6d’ standards, are scheduled to be enforced starting in 2025, accompanied by upgrades to the quality of locally sold petrol"
Infers that Ute's will comply or be off the road in a few years. I don't believe it.
1700 deaths annually due to exhaust pollution. I'd like to know where that number come from.
Heavy ute's damage roads, well just perhaps that's why we pay additional taxes on diesel.
Gruberment promised at the time it would go to maintaining roads.
How heavy are EVs? Big batteries.
Tank wrote:Hey Laz……
How many of the life saving jabs have you had?
The full course I imagine…..
Zealotry doesn’t make you right.
Go in peace…..
Tank wrote:Good luck to you Lazarus…..seriously.
My tinfoil hat has served me wonderfully.
So far….as a ‘conspiracy theorist’….I’m about 17 and 0.
Questioning things is what makes you a critical thinker Laz.
Blind faith doesn’t make you right.
I wish you well.
No1_49er wrote:A couple of comparison pictures for you.
And the sea level rose how much?
Oldbloke wrote:I think its coming but needs to happen over,,,say,,,15-20 years.
And what are other countries doing, in some cases SFA. China is still building coal power stations.
Need more range and fuel points. Ute's need more load capacity as well IIRC.
I'll never see EV trucks but hydrogen is a possibility. Few buses about now.
I would really like a quiet ute or car.
I drove a high end Mercedes EV for about 20km about 18 months ago. What can I say, magnificent.