QLD Community Safety Bill and KAP’s Castle Doctrine

[bigrich]

I thought I would add this attachment as it was a real eye opener.

That list isnt all that accurate, at least not in Australia.

Depending on circumstances, well over half that list have had Govt or Church(or both) regulation on them, and in some cases, well before 125 years ago.

- One example for 'Start a Business' - Pubs were licensed to operate from before the 1880's, in this part of the world
[so I expect earlier in earlier settled areas].
- Further to the Pubs thing - we have gone through periods where alcohol sales and consumption has been heavily regulated(more-so than today).
So NOT ALL businesses have been able to operate without permission/blessing of government and/or church.

- Permission to marry in the past often required your church's assent, and if you werent considered of sound mind and body(or the wrong skin colour), you might also need the Governments consent as well(2nd part was last used a LOT more recently than we are comfortable with..).

- I'd be surprised if there has ever been a time when a private citizen could own a cannon without permission, and I doubt machine-guns have ever been available for all, so not all weapons have ever been free for anyone to own.

- Rights to protest were being argued over in 1881 (shearers strike), and people were dying over pursuing those rights.

- Unmarried mothers had next to no rights about their own child(This has waxed and waned through the years).

- Pretty sure the influx of extremely dangerous cure-all medicines in the late 1800's, resulted in the start of regulation and control of medicines we see today.

- There is a road-sign somewhere here from 1906, forbidding motor vehicles on the main road designated for horses/coaches(Penalty 5 Pounds).

- Hunting wherever you liked hasnt been a god-given right in this area for well over 125 years.
[There are warning notices in local papers from 1896 that warned people travelling through properties, that they would be prosecuted if they failed to stick to the gazetted main roads.]

Yes; SOME of that list are now more regulated than they were 125 years ago.
And I'm the first to get cranky about the ever-increasing red-tape being placed upon agriculture in this country.
But it reminds me of someone saying "The Grass was Greener 125 years back"

But why did we end up with those regulations in the first place?
Because humans beings seem to have a compulsive need to exploit their fellow man.
Even in the past 25-odd years that I've been in private enterprise, I've lost count of seeing people trying to exploit others.
Even today, considering your fellow man before you act, is seen as weak and 'lacking the drive to succeed'.
Honestly; a great tune-up for the human race, would be a Dino-Killer asteroid visit..

Thats my thought; anyway..

Fair call , and a good perspective

[alexjones]

I do agree it should not be compulsory.

However, if they were "passionate " I figure at least 70% would get off their fat arses and vote on election day.

Don't make excuses. The majority DGAF. That's a fact.

One weird thing with America is that there voting always happens on a Tuesday. This made sense in the days of horse and cart when you had to travel to vote but not so much in todays world. A lot of people have to work during the day and can't vote. I do like Saturday voting in Australia however Jews and some christian sects are not allowed to leave their houses on friday arvo to sunday morning. That is their holy day.


Either way compulsory voting is tyrannical. Freedom is having the right to vote or not to vote. Nobody should be threatened with a fine to be at a set place at a set time if they don't want to. That is the basic idea of American values. Do what you want just leave me alone.

[alexjones]

Fellas, you both have valid points. I’m glad that voting is compulsory in Australia. Can you imagine how rampant politicians would run if people didn’t bother to vote cause they didn’t have too . The Americans that do bother to vote are exercising their patriotic rights and values. Those that DGAF are just the typical self centred degenerate potato heads that seem to be multiplying in our modern internet and retail driven western society. JMHO …

I think it would be different. Compulsory voting means that a lot of idiots only vote for who "gives me the most stuff". Where when you are not forced to vote you more than likely have to be some what passionate or interested in it.

[Oldbloke]

I do agree it should not be compulsory.

However, if they were "passionate " I figure at least 70% would get off their fat arses and vote on election day.

Don't make excuses. The majority DGAF. That's a fact.

One weird thing with America is that there voting always happens on a Tuesday. This made sense in the days of horse and cart when you had to travel to vote but not so much in todays world. A lot of people have to work during the day and can't vote. I do like Saturday voting in Australia however Jews and some christian sects are not allowed to leave their houses on friday arvo to sunday morning. That is their holy day.


Either way compulsory voting is tyrannical. Freedom is having the right to vote or not to vote. Nobody should be threatened with a fine to be at a set place at a set time if they don't want to. That is the basic idea of American values. Do what you want just leave me alone.

Well, I'll be. Didn't realise that. Would put people off for sure.

[alexjones]

I do agree it should not be compulsory.

However, if they were "passionate " I figure at least 70% would get off their fat arses and vote on election day.

Don't make excuses. The majority DGAF. That's a fact.

One weird thing with America is that there voting always happens on a Tuesday. This made sense in the days of horse and cart when you had to travel to vote but not so much in todays world. A lot of people have to work during the day and can't vote. I do like Saturday voting in Australia however Jews and some christian sects are not allowed to leave their houses on friday arvo to sunday morning. That is their holy day.


Either way compulsory voting is tyrannical. Freedom is having the right to vote or not to vote. Nobody should be threatened with a fine to be at a set place at a set time if they don't want to. That is the basic idea of American values. Do what you want just leave me alone.

Well, I'll be. Didn't realise that. Would put people off for sure.

Yeah the first Tuesday in November is election day. Something to do with back in the day Saturday/Sunday being holy days and Wednesday/Thursday. being market days and a day either side was needed to travel by horse and cart for a lot of people so Tuesday was seen as the best option. And November was picked because that was low season for harvest as a lot of people worked in agriculture. Times have changed since the 1800s.

[Oldbloke]

I do agree it should not be compulsory.

However, if they were "passionate " I figure at least 70% would get off their fat arses and vote on election day.

Don't make excuses. The majority DGAF. That's a fact.

One weird thing with America is that there voting always happens on a Tuesday. This made sense in the days of horse and cart when you had to travel to vote but not so much in todays world. A lot of people have to work during the day and can't vote. I do like Saturday voting in Australia however Jews and some christian sects are not allowed to leave their houses on friday arvo to sunday morning. That is their holy day.


Either way compulsory voting is tyrannical. Freedom is having the right to vote or not to vote. Nobody should be threatened with a fine to be at a set place at a set time if they don't want to. That is the basic idea of American values. Do what you want just leave me alone.

Well, I'll be. Didn't realise that. Would put people off for sure.

Yeah the first Tuesday in November is election day. Something to do with back in the day Saturday/Sunday being holy days and Wednesday/Thursday. being market days and a day either side was needed to travel by horse and cart for a lot of people so Tuesday was seen as the best option. And November was picked because that was low season for harvest as a lot of people worked in agriculture. Times have changed since the 1800s.

Change is slow in the USA.

[mickb]

I thought I would add this attachment as it was a real eye opener.

That list isnt all that accurate, at least not in Australia.

Depending on circumstances, well over half that list have had Govt or Church(or both) regulation on them, and in some cases, well before 125 years ago.

- One example for 'Start a Business' - Pubs were licensed to operate from before the 1880's, in this part of the world
[so I expect earlier in earlier settled areas].
- Further to the Pubs thing - we have gone through periods where alcohol sales and consumption has been heavily regulated(more-so than today).
So NOT ALL businesses have been able to operate without permission/blessing of government and/or church.

- Permission to marry in the past often required your church's assent, and if you werent considered of sound mind and body(or the wrong skin colour), you might also need the Governments consent as well(2nd part was last used a LOT more recently than we are comfortable with..).

- I'd be surprised if there has ever been a time when a private citizen could own a cannon without permission, and I doubt machine-guns have ever been available for all, so not all weapons have ever been free for anyone to own.

- Rights to protest were being argued over in 1881 (shearers strike), and people were dying over pursuing those rights.

- Unmarried mothers had next to no rights about their own child(This has waxed and waned through the years).

- Pretty sure the influx of extremely dangerous cure-all medicines in the late 1800's, resulted in the start of regulation and control of medicines we see today.

- There is a road-sign somewhere here from 1906, forbidding motor vehicles on the main road designated for horses/coaches(Penalty 5 Pounds).

- Hunting wherever you liked hasnt been a god-given right in this area for well over 125 years.
[There are warning notices in local papers from 1896 that warned people travelling through properties, that they would be prosecuted if they failed to stick to the gazetted main roads.]

Yes; SOME of that list are now more regulated than they were 125 years ago.
And I'm the first to get cranky about the ever-increasing red-tape being placed upon agriculture in this country.
But it reminds me of someone saying "The Grass was Greener 125 years back"

But why did we end up with those regulations in the first place?
Because humans beings seem to have a compulsive need to exploit their fellow man.
Even in the past 25-odd years that I've been in private enterprise, I've lost count of seeing people trying to exploit others.
Even today, considering your fellow man before you act, is seen as weak and 'lacking the drive to succeed'.
Honestly; a great tune-up for the human race, would be a Dino-Killer asteroid visit..

Thats my thought; anyway..

List looked decently accurate to me, despite the cherry picked exceptions.

[Bugman]

The fact is, only about 45% of Americans bother to vote. I don't think that is "passionate".

I have to agree. More like "lethargic"

[mickb]

Well taking out all the voters who vote because they are made to in Australia, what % of Aussies would still turn up? 45%?

More like 20% I reckon, thats assuming the cricket/footy/fishing trip or hangover wasnt in the way.

[deye243]

Well s**t this place says I can't quote a post
WATFU

[bladeracer]

Well s**t this place says I can't quote a post
WATFU

I get that occasionally if there are too many nested quotes. You should be able to trim out most of them just leaving the bit you're responding to.

[bigrich]

Well s**t this place says I can't quote a post
WATFU

I get that occasionally if there are too many nested quotes. You should be able to trim out most of them just leaving the bit you're responding to.

Yeah, experienced the same. Easy fixed