USA President now has Immunity for "official acts"

[Oldbloke]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c51yx1n15y4o

I note, no mention on the ABC at this time??!!

"Joe Biden has described as a "dangerous precedent" a Supreme Court ruling giving former President Donald Trump partial immunity from criminal prosecution.
The current US president said the judgement undermined the "rule of law" and was "a terrible disservice" to Americans.
Earlier, Trump hailed the court's decision as a "big win" for democracy."

IMHO this is a very dangerous development. Wide open to abuse.

I'm guessing this thread will go side ways but let's try and avoid arguing.

[Bugman]

Only in America!
Still, legal stuff aside, it is still a race run by a doddery old fart and a somewhat, arrogant, shifty bugger. Interesting times ahead.
Politically and legally.
Lets all stay tuned for the next exciting episode.

[Larry]

Very dangerous IMHO the largest carrot I can see is taking bribes for whatever. The personal gain would be too much for a lot to not be tempted.

[No1Mk3]

A 2 edged sword, forgives Trump but enables Biden and every ratbag who comes after him to do whatever

[on_one_wheel]

Funny how so many people are outraged by Trump but nobody cared much about all the crooked things many other previous US presidents did.

Personally I hope Trump wins and poor old demented Joe moves into a nursing home.
I'm not buying into the smear campaign, I simply won't let the media tell me how I should be thinking and what I need to be outraged by.

[mchughcb]

Trump wasn't even running for President when payments were made to a Daniels from his then lawyer who signed a NDA and then reneged on it.

If you think voter fraud was just stupid right wing conspiracy then I suggest you watch this and understand why people believed there was voter fraud and still do.
It was presented last night at Tucker Carlson and Clive Palmer Freedom tour last night, virtually by Dinesh who wasn't able to make that leg of the tour.

For more than 4 years I've heard that Biden is a sharp as a tack from the left wing media and doesn't have onset of dementia. Don't believe your lying eyes. Well watching the debate the other day I'm seeing the Emperor has no clothes, literally and all the BS left wing media are now calling it a train wreck and who are they going to parachute in. Quite literally somebody said last night they've seen beauty queen pagent make more sense that that dottery old fool.

https://youtu.be/4ck-LsfhBp0

[mchughcb]

If the president is given the power under the executive power which is granted to him by the constitution, then I don't understand how he can be prosecuted either during or post factum.

However if he orders actions outside his executive power then its obvious then he is liable for prosecution like the rest of us - theoretically.

[Oldbloke]

Clearly Biden needs to step aside. IMO neither are fit.

"If the president is given the power under the executive power which is granted to him by the constitution, then I don't understand how he can be prosecuted either during or post factum."

That assumes its within the law.
If I understand correctly, the decision was that he can't be prosecuted even if it's outside the law. e.g. He orders someone be executed without lawful reason.

[Oldbloke]

I guess there will need to be more clarification but,

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[stihl88]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c51yx1n15y4o

I note, no mention on the ABC at this time??!!

"Joe Biden has described as a "dangerous precedent" a Supreme Court ruling giving former President Donald Trump partial immunity from criminal prosecution.
The current US president said the judgement undermined the "rule of law" and was "a terrible disservice" to Americans.
Earlier, Trump hailed the court's decision as a "big win" for democracy."

IMHO this is a very dangerous development. Wide open to abuse.

I'm guessing this thread will go side ways but let's try and avoid arguing.

Actually this is a great ruling for democracy, it finally outlines where a POTUS has immunity - For "official" acts it now seems. They can also seek to charge Trump for some of the private acts he did on Jan 6th such as engage with private lawyers etc but not any acts he did under "official" capacity.

Keep in mind that Jack Smith was not officially appointed so the whole thing is a farce and proof of the overall witch hunt on Trump.

What they're doing is straight out of a banana republic, they're whole playbook has been anti-democratic and aligns with communist Joseph Stalins quip "You show me the man and I'll show you the crime".

Trump 2024!!!

[stihl88]

I guess there will need to be more clarification but,

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From my understanding even before this ruling was that for the most part the POTUS always was immune, this ruling merely clarifies that it's for "official" acts only.

Please enlighten us what Crimes you believe Trump committed on Jan 6th?

[wrenchman]

always was and the feds have already looked into stormy this will be over turned and don't forget bill clinton lied under oath for every one that says convicted felons cant be president.
You have to keep in mind how the 2 party system is set up here those in charge protect each other when it comes down to it the scum rises to the top.
none are ever all that great we don't get the best for the jod we get to choose the one we don't like the least.

[mchughcb]

I guess there will need to be more clarification but,

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From my understanding even before this ruling was that for the most part the POTUS always was immune, this ruling merely clarifies that it's for "official" acts only.

Please enlighten us what Crimes you believe Trump committed on Jan 6th?

That's exactly how understand it.

When I listen to people talking about Jan 6 it reminds me about lockdown protests in Melbourne.

Am I going to believe the mainstream media description of it or social media posts.

1. Were people peacefully protesting?
2. Were people armed with sticks, breaking windows, starting fires, assaulting police.

The answer is who you ask to believe. Media or your own eyes.

[Larry]

Conspiracy to overthrow an election. The is plenty of physical evidence such as fraudulent Electrol certificates duly signed by real people who presented them in person. The fact that so many of his advisors and lawyers are currently in jail or have been jailed show that at the very least there were things being done by the republican party that was against the law.

[mchughcb]

Conspiracy to overthrow an election. The is plenty of physical evidence such as fraudulent Electrol certificates duly signed by real people who presented them in person. The fact that so many of his advisors and lawyers are currently in jail or have been jailed show that at the very least there were things being done by the republican party that was against the law.

Did you watch 2000 mules documentary. I accept there is fraud in all elections. What the question was did it make any difference in the outcome. Looking at the documentary I'd say the drop off ballot I'd say yes.

[stihl88]

Conspiracy to overthrow an election. The is plenty of physical evidence such as fraudulent Electrol certificates duly signed by real people who presented them in person. The fact that so many of his advisors and lawyers are currently in jail or have been jailed show that at the very least there were things being done by the republican party that was against the law.

All well timed allegations ahead of the next election, we'll see what comes of the indictments but for the most part the Electors were acting in good faith based on the evidence of election fraud presented to them at the time. Either way Trump now has immunity on any official activity, no doubt they will now try and get him on the private activity front at the state level. Good luck with that, no state would want the trouble that would ensue particularly if Trump is elected #47 which will be decided be these swing states anyway, in which case they may likely pardon him if convicted on what will no doubt be more witch hunt infused charges.

For the most part, the so called "crimes" his associates have been imprisoned for where on matters drummed up by the shady prosecutors (tax fraud, etc) because they wouldn't play their role in the prosecutors attempts to try convict Trump on what we now know is mountains of Democrat Party conspiracy theories (Russian collusion, Russian Laptop hoax etc). So when people say that his associates were imprisoned following investigations such as "Russian Collusion" they are merely engaging in whataboitism they've been programmed to do by the MSM.

If the intelligence community and DOJ applied the same brush to the Democrat party 1/2 their cabinet would be imprisoned. With a bit of luck Nancy Pelosi will be indicted for her role in Jan 6, afterall as quoted by her she should have enforced the national guard as suggested by Trump, but she didn't.

The fact remains they still haven't got a single outstanding parking ticket on Trump, don't worry that BS pornstar Daniels charge will be overturned, the amount of hollow trickery the desperate Democrats tried to get that over the line it will fall over as soon as it's put through the proper scrutiny. The politically corrupt Democrats don't care though, the optics is all they were after with this well timed stunt.

If you haven't learnt with US politics by now, don't put all your money on black, you're destined to be disappointed with the result

[wanneroo]

People all over the world are kneejerking over this without full understanding of it.

The President can be impeached at any time by Congress for criminal acts. The Legislative branch is check on the President while in power with the federal judiciary in play at times as well.

This ruling builds on a previous Supreme Court ruling many years ago. The whole point of it is so the President cannot be harassed by opposing political parties and get bogged out by continual charges by rogue prosecutors and grand juries while he is president.

As we can see currently what that world would look like with what Trump is going through now, charged by rogue prosecutors all over with all sorts of procedural or bureaucratic crimes that have no victim other than offending the opposing party.

[mickb]

always was and the feds have already looked into stormy this will be over turned and don't forget bill clinton lied under oath for every one that says convicted felons cant be president.
You have to keep in mind how the 2 party system is set up here those in charge protect each other when it comes down to it the scum rises to the top.
none are ever all that great we don't get the best for the jod we get to choose the one we don't like the least.

pretty much Wrenchman not much new has come out of politics in the last 40 years across the whole first world. It has been the same march towards disarmament, break up of family unit, immigration, currency sales, pushing manufacture offshore, deregulating real estate so new generations cant afford a house etc etc across the globe regardless . Regardless which Clinto-thatcher-raygun-howard-obamo-merkel- robo clone was in power it marched roughly the same rate across every country. If that isnt a work I dont know what is

[Billo]

Rogue prosecutors hey !!! LOL thats some next level funny sheit right there.

Anyone who thinks a deranged and delusional President is a good thing for the USA needs a pscyh evaluation, sadly Trump looks to be coasting to a victory, as to the damage he does after he takes power, well don't say you weren't warned.

[on_one_wheel]

Rogue prosecutors hey !!! LOL thats some next level funny sheit right there.

Anyone who thinks a deranged and delusional President is a good thing for the USA needs a pscyh evaluation, sadly Trump looks to be coasting to a victory, as to the damage he does after he takes power, well don't say you weren't warned.

Yeah Trump did such a terrible job hey...
Low unemployment wage rises, record household wealth, increase in building and manufacturing, called China out on several fronts ( well before anyone else had the guts to do so) Focussed on a nationalistic approach to manufacturing to stem the flow of money and jobs to China.
He's such a looser

[No1_49er]

And when he's reelected, the wall will be finished and the illegal aliens will be gonski.

[on_one_wheel]

And when he's reelected, the wall will be finished and the illegal aliens will be gonski.

Funny how a wall that was commenced in the 1920"s suddenly became "Trumps wall" especially when you consider that every president since has spent a fortune enforcing that border.

[mickb]

regardless of policies it does suprise me the yanks can tolerate either guy. One was a daddys boy draft dodger and any other era of history that means you dont even get to be mayor of a small town let alone the top public service job lol. For conservative yanks a bloke who avoids serving is almost as bad as being a communist.

The other bloke, well the media is finally admitting he's lost his marbles but lets be honest, he was losing the plot 4 years ago and lets even be more honest, years before that he was fkn cuddling and sniffing women and kids innappropriately live on cam.

If we were to go back to the 80's, in fact even the 2000's and try and tell the US population these would be the candidates of the future no one would even believe you.

[on_one_wheel]

regardless of policies it does suprise me the yanks can tolerate either guy. One was a daddys boy draft dodger and any other era of history that means you dont even get to be mayor of a small town let alone the top public service job lol. For conservative yanks a bloke who avoids serving is almost as bad as being a communist.

The other bloke, well the media is finally admitting he's lost his marbles but lets be honest, he was losing the plot 4 years ago and lets even be more honest, years before that he was fkn cuddling and sniffing women and kids innappropriately live on cam.

If we were to go back to the 80's, in fact even the 2000's and try and tell the US population these would be the candidates of the future no one would even believe you.

Ever heard of Ronald Reagan?
How would anything suprise the people of America?

[mickb]

Raegun sure but a draft dodger and someone being a senile hair sniffer before becoming president has to be new level.

[on_one_wheel]

Raegun sure but a draft dodger and someone being a senile hair sniffer before becoming president has to be new level.

Plenty of US presidents were draft dodgers including Biden... no new levels there.
Hair sniffing though... that's definitely up there

[Larry]

Ive watched the Abyss on SBS the last few weeks it tracks the Nazi rise to power from the 1920s. The commentary on the how, why and the feelings of the public are spine chilling nearly exactly what is happening and being said in recent times and continuing. Its a good watch if your slightly interested.
One of the commentators I could have sworn was talking about a Trump speech the words were nearly word for word.

[wanneroo]

Rogue prosecutors hey !!! LOL thats some next level funny sheit right there.

Anyone who thinks a deranged and delusional President is a good thing for the USA needs a pscyh evaluation, sadly Trump looks to be coasting to a victory, as to the damage he does after he takes power, well don't say you weren't warned.

Yeah Trump did such a terrible job hey...
Low unemployment wage rises, record household wealth, increase in building and manufacturing, called China out on several fronts ( well before anyone else had the guts to do so) Focussed on a nationalistic approach to manufacturing to stem the flow of money and jobs to China.
He's such a looser

Yes, people try to tell me how bad Trump was, but pre covid, I had some of the 3 best work years ever. Once Trump got elected and obama's technocrats thumbs came off of business, things took off and life was good. And then Biden came along and totally blanked things up big time. I'll bounce back someday.

[wanneroo]

regardless of policies it does suprise me the yanks can tolerate either guy. One was a daddys boy draft dodger and any other era of history that means you dont even get to be mayor of a small town let alone the top public service job lol. For conservative yanks a bloke who avoids serving is almost as bad as being a communist.

The other bloke, well the media is finally admitting he's lost his marbles but lets be honest, he was losing the plot 4 years ago and lets even be more honest, years before that he was fkn cuddling and sniffing women and kids innappropriately live on cam.

If we were to go back to the 80's, in fact even the 2000's and try and tell the US population these would be the candidates of the future no one would even believe you.

The thing is in the USA and probably elsewhere, the boomers are desperately clinging to power to ensure their pensions, social security, etc. even if it means stealing from their grandkids, printing money and causing long term inflation.

However they are not going to live forever. I am already seeing in industries I deal with the boomers tapping out and with them gone from power, many changes being made. I think you will see over the next 5-10 years a massive reordering of the world as the boomers lose power and Gen X takes over.

[Lazarus]

Trump wasn't even running for President when payments were made to a Daniels from his then lawyer who signed a NDA and then reneged on it.

If you think voter fraud was just stupid right wing conspiracy then I suggest you watch this and understand why people believed there was voter fraud and still do.
It was presented last night at Tucker Carlson and Clive Palmer Freedom tour last night, virtually by Dinesh who wasn't able to make that leg of the tour.

For more than 4 years I've heard that Biden is a sharp as a tack from the left wing media and doesn't have onset of dementia. Don't believe your lying eyes. Well watching the debate the other day I'm seeing the Emperor has no clothes, literally and all the BS left wing media are now calling it a train wreck and who are they going to parachute in. Quite literally somebody said last night they've seen beauty queen pagent make more sense that that dottery old fool.

https://youtu.be/4ck-LsfhBp0

Using a known far right conspiracy peddler to try to prove that voting fraud isn't a far right conspiracy: priceless.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Mules

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinesh_D%27Souza