WA Firearm Law Reforms - Monday 16 October announcement

[Florey55]

Why aren't the useless SSAA launching a class action on the behalf of WA shooters so they can be correctly compensated ?

Receiving $500 for something you paid $10K + for is damn unfair..

[Wapiti]

Why aren't the useless SSAA launching a class action on the behalf of WA shooters so they can be correctly compensated ?

Receiving $500 for something you paid $10K + for is damn unfair..

Mate, contact them and voice your concerns, but ask first what they are doing before accusing them of anything.
Then jump on here and inform others what they can do to join in.

[Faedy]

Why aren't the useless SSAA launching a class action on the behalf of WA shooters so they can be correctly compensated ?

Receiving $500 for something you paid $10K + for is damn unfair..

Really - are you an active member?
If so you would/should know that they can't do a thing until it is law and the legislation has finished being written.
KC's are waiting ti begin action that very day.

[bladeracer]

Why aren't the useless SSAA launching a class action on the behalf of WA shooters so they can be correctly compensated ?

Receiving $500 for something you paid $10K + for is damn unfair..

Really - are you an active member?
If so you would/should know that they can't do a thing until it is law and the legislation has finished being written.
KC's are waiting ti begin action that very day.

I thought they already had the buyback?

[Coxy383]

Why aren't the useless SSAA launching a class action on the behalf of WA shooters so they can be correctly compensated ?

Receiving $500 for something you paid $10K + for is damn unfair..

Really - are you an active member?
If so you would/should know that they can't do a thing until it is law and the legislation has finished being written.
KC's are waiting ti begin action that very day.

I thought they already had the buyback?

Yep won't even get the 500 now. And every gun listed on used guns in WA wants top dollar. Sell to us eastern states boys but your going to have to take a hit on them.

[Oldbloke]

Ummm, hasn't the new Act been passed in both houses yet?

[Oldbloke]

Why aren't the useless SSAA launching a class action on the behalf of WA shooters so they can be correctly compensated ?

Receiving $500 for something you paid $10K + for is damn unfair..

I agree, I wouldn't take the $500. Wait and see. I'd bet they will pay a fairer amount if you wait.

[bladeracer]

Why aren't the useless SSAA launching a class action on the behalf of WA shooters so they can be correctly compensated ?

Receiving $500 for something you paid $10K + for is damn unfair..

I agree, I wouldn't take the $500. Wait and see. I'd bet they will pay a fairer amount if you wait.

I thought the amnesty ended when the buyback ended? Now when the legislation goes through if you still own the firearms they simply come and take them for destruction.

[Wapiti]

My wife gave me a t-shirt that says "I lost my guns in a boating accident".

Be a lot of good guns going out the cop-shop back doors I bet...

[Oldbloke]

My wife gave me a t-shirt that says "I lost my guns in a boating accident".

Be a lot of good guns going out the cop-shop back doors I bet...

That's how Martin Bryant got them.

[alexjones]

My wife gave me a t-shirt that says "I lost my guns in a boating accident".

Be a lot of good guns going out the cop-shop back doors I bet...

That's how Martin Bryant got them.

Not directly how he got it. But indirectly.

The armalite AR10 he bought from an add in the paper and the Colt SP1 carbine and daewoo shotgun he says he bought from terry hill a gun dealer. Terry hill never admitted to selling martin the guns. He said he only sold him shotgun ammo which he remembers martin showing him a licence but he remembers the name being martin ryan not bryant. He also said martin dropped the ar10 off for repairs because it was jammed with 223 ammo in it not 308. The SLR they have no idea how he got it and he never admitted to owning it. They also found an Australian automatic arms rifle in martins hallway when the raided his house which he also never admitted to owning or how he got it. Terry Hill was given immunity from prosecution and he still did not admit to selling the guns to Martin so I believe him.


Bill Drysdale a farmer handed in the Colt SP1 carbine in 1987 when communist John Cain stole the guns. It was marked as destroyed but used by Victorian police SOG for training. In 1994 it was sold by the police on to a Bendigo gun dealer and was to be sent overseas for sale. However somehow it ended up in Tasmania.

[Barbarian]

Why aren't the useless SSAA launching a class action on the behalf of WA shooters so they can be correctly compensated ?

Receiving $500 for something you paid $10K + for is damn unfair..

I agree, I wouldn't take the $500. Wait and see. I'd bet they will pay a fairer amount if you wait.

I thought the amnesty ended when the buyback ended? Now when the legislation goes through if you still own the firearms they simply come and take them for destruction.

Part 10 of the bill as passed still allows for the surrender of a firearm at a police station and makes no distinction about the licensed status of the firearm but the buyback specifically ended.

I’m not doing or changing anything till I see the new regulations published and decide what my options are.

[Barbarian]

Why aren't the useless SSAA launching a class action on the behalf of WA shooters so they can be correctly compensated ?

Receiving $500 for something you paid $10K + for is damn unfair..

I agree, I wouldn't take the $500. Wait and see. I'd bet they will pay a fairer amount if you wait.

I thought the amnesty ended when the buyback ended? Now when the legislation goes through if you still own the firearms they simply come and take them for destruction.

Part 10 of the bill as passed still allows for the surrender of a firearm at a police station and makes no distinction about the licensed status of the firearm but the buyback specifically ended.

I’m not doing or changing anything till I see the new regulations published and decide what my options are.

[alexjones]

Extortion: the practice of obtaining something, especially money, through force or threats

If we do this we go to jail. So much for basic human rights of property.

[bladeracer]

At the pistol club yesterday some guys were saying WA just banned handloading last week. I haven't seen anything in that regard yet, is this true?

[alexjones]

At the pistol club yesterday some guys were saying WA just banned handloading last week. I haven't seen anything in that regard yet, is this true?

Wasn't there talk about banning owning manuals or books on repairing or manufacturing guns? Maybe they were referring to that and they were misinformed? As having load data and such could be seen as manufacturing thus making reloading ilegal?

It is hard to keep track of what is happening in WA. So much conjecture and nothing appears to be law yet.

[alexjones]

Why aren't the useless SSAA launching a class action on the behalf of WA shooters so they can be correctly compensated ?

Receiving $500 for something you paid $10K + for is damn unfair..

I agree, I wouldn't take the $500. Wait and see. I'd bet they will pay a fairer amount if you wait.

I thought the amnesty ended when the buyback ended? Now when the legislation goes through if you still own the firearms they simply come and take them for destruction.

Am I crazy to think that it was a scare to make people hand in guns before it even becomes law because IT WONT BECOME LAW. There will be some kind of grandfather clause for the ones who held the line. Everyone who handed in their guns did it voluntary before it was even a law. In my mind only a limp wrist does something like that.

Is that a to out there theory?

[bladeracer]

At the pistol club yesterday some guys were saying WA just banned handloading last week. I haven't seen anything in that regard yet, is this true?

Wasn't there talk about banning owning manuals or books on repairing or manufacturing guns? Maybe they were referring to that and they were misinformed? As having load data and such could be seen as manufacturing thus making reloading ilegal?

It is hard to keep track of what is happening in WA. So much conjecture and nothing appears to be law yet.

Yes, my assumption was that they were mistaken but I did some Googling when I got home and couldn't find any such announcement. I follow enough political and shooting groups that I would expect such an announcement would've popped up for me somewhere.

[Wapiti]

Story goes now that Albanese and Labor are now going to hit WA hard with funding like Miles did in Qld... they see that Labor have disrespected everybody in WA and enough of a majority now hate Gaybor with a passion, enough to lose them government.
They saw the disgust Qld'ers have for socialist government now.
So go in hard people, support the Nats that stick up for you and make sure you tell the hopeless Libs what you expect too...

[alexjones]

Story goes now that Albanese and Labor are now going to hit WA hard with funding like Miles did in Qld... they see that Labor have disrespected everybody in WA and enough of a majority now hate Gaybor with a passion, enough to lose them government.
They saw the disgust Qld'ers have for socialist government now.
So go in hard people, support the Nats that stick up for you and make sure you tell the hopeless Libs what you expect too...

So far with 70% of the vote counted labor has 33% of the vote and the greens 9%. Thats nearly 40% of the state. So as much as I hate socialists that is not showing disgust thats 40% of the people who are scumbags or at minimum apathetic.

[Wapiti]

Story goes now that Albanese and Labor are now going to hit WA hard with funding like Miles did in Qld... they see that Labor have disrespected everybody in WA and enough of a majority now hate Gaybor with a passion, enough to lose them government.
They saw the disgust Qld'ers have for socialist government now.
So go in hard people, support the Nats that stick up for you and make sure you tell the hopeless Libs what you expect too...

So far with 70% of the vote counted labor has 33% of the vote and the greens 9%. Thats nearly 40% of the state. So as much as I hate socialists that is not showing disgust thats 40% of the people who are scumbags!

Who's using the word "scumbags"?
I call to your attention how may seats just changed hands from Labor to the LNP?
Might even be a KAP seat yet.
AFAIAC this is exactly the result I reckon it is.

[alexjones]

Story goes now that Albanese and Labor are now going to hit WA hard with funding like Miles did in Qld... they see that Labor have disrespected everybody in WA and enough of a majority now hate Gaybor with a passion, enough to lose them government.
They saw the disgust Qld'ers have for socialist government now.
So go in hard people, support the Nats that stick up for you and make sure you tell the hopeless Libs what you expect too...

So far with 70% of the vote counted labor has 33% of the vote and the greens 9%. Thats nearly 40% of the state. So as much as I hate socialists that is not showing disgust thats 40% of the people who are scumbags!

Who's using the word "scumbags"?
I call to your attention how may seats just changed hands from Labor to the LNP?
Might even be a KAP seat yet.
AFAIAC this is exactly the result I reckon it is.

I am using the word scumbag! For the 40% of the people who voted for greens and labor.

Campbell Newman in 2012 left labor with like 12 seats. That was a hiding. Labor now has like 31 seats still. The election was not really a hiding and was kind of close.
Lnp at 42% of the vote to labor 33% with only a 7% swing against labor.

[Wapiti]

7% is a pretty fair swing. I didn't get my way, but we high-fived alright.
LNP has 51 seats, maybe gain another or two, and Labor has dropped to 33. They've been caned.

And yeah, I'm disappointed at the percentage still voting Labor/Greens (even though the Greens have suffered a lot), but I'm starting to agree that the divide between city and country isn't getting any smaller.
Hopefully, WA people that have also suffered under Labor will make the most of the time they have left and make some noise. The alternative Govt there must be tasting blood, if they don't then they are hopeless. They need to be told that to get the votes they need, they have to listen. Didn't 30,000 people sign an e-petition against these WA gun laws? There's a start, all of them are looking for a leader, and a place to put 1 next to.

[animalpest]

Reloading is covered in the new Act. It's allowed

[bladeracer]

Reloading is covered in the new Act. It's allowed

Thanks for that. I know they certainly want to ban reloading in WA, but I didn't think they'd done it as yet.

[Barbarian]

At the pistol club yesterday some guys were saying WA just banned handloading last week. I haven't seen anything in that regard yet, is this true?

Wasn't there talk about banning owning manuals or books on repairing or manufacturing guns? Maybe they were referring to that and they were misinformed? As having load data and such could be seen as manufacturing thus making reloading ilegal?

It is hard to keep track of what is happening in WA. So much conjecture and nothing appears to be law yet.

A coupe of things

They've not banned reloading, no. And WAPOL have pages on their website that seem to indicate that they don't have any intention to.

But the firearms amendment act of 2022 introduced new controls around who can own firearms (prohibition orders) and introduced a very vague definition of Firearms Technology. And many materials such as reloading manuals, schematics, etc could all be considered firearms technology

The act's wording doesn't appear to make it lawful for anyone not Manufacturer or Repairer to have firearms technology. Even if they can possess the firearm to which it relates.

The Firearms Bill 2024 does clarify it somewhat, but it will most likely be found in the regulations which we are yet to see in any detail.

[Barbarian]

Why aren't the useless SSAA launching a class action on the behalf of WA shooters so they can be correctly compensated ?

Receiving $500 for something you paid $10K + for is damn unfair..

I agree, I wouldn't take the $500. Wait and see. I'd bet they will pay a fairer amount if you wait.

I thought the amnesty ended when the buyback ended? Now when the legislation goes through if you still own the firearms they simply come and take them for destruction.

Am I crazy to think that it was a scare to make people hand in guns before it even becomes law because IT WONT BECOME LAW. There will be some kind of grandfather clause for the ones who held the line. Everyone who handed in their guns did it voluntary before it was even a law. In my mind only a limp wrist does something like that.

Is that a to out there theory?

As it stands, the Nationals have the WAFCA and by extension the SSAAWA's backing and have maintained that they intend to halt the new bill in some form or another and renew consultation/go back to the drawing board.

Could it all be lip service or a votes grab? 100% but I'll take all I can get.

WAFCA have got a bad wrap for not accepting outside help, but when the Police Minister starts frothing at the mouth and accusing the opposition to the bill/reforms of being an Eastern States Gun Lobby advocating for US style Gun Culture, making sure WAFCA is from WA stakeholders only is important.

There is some argument for WAPOL licensing enforcing the new limits now, If in 6-9months the approval for your firearms over limit was no longer valid then there is a valid argument that they should not have issued it in the first place.

However, on the other hand, approvals are already for individual firearms and require a new genuine reason and genuine need for each firearm. So even if you have to reduce your firearms holdings to the new limits in say, March 2025, what harm is there in approving firearms that someone has a Genuine Need and Genuine Reason to own.

I would not hold my breath for a grandfather clause on existing firearms though, would it be good? yeah. But more than likely they will be seized at the end f whatever transition period individuals are given to meet the new requirements upon their license renewal. Anyone who has an Heirloom licensed should start a thematic collection, as a collection of one is no less valid, if you want to sell something, get it into a dealer's inventory. Good luck though, as they're probably at capacity.

Now, hot take:

Anyone who loses a gun for reasons other than exceeding the numerical limits, didn't really want or need that gun to begin with.

If you want or need it, there are ways. The limits suck and shouldn't be even considered - hell the Law Reform Commission Report didn't recomend them.

[animalpest]

"Anyone who loses a gun for reasons other than exceeding the numerical limits, didn't really want or need that gun to begin with.

If you want or need it, there are ways. The limits suck and shouldn't be even considered - hell the Law Reform Commission Report didn't recomend them."

How on earth do you come that conclusion? And I am intrigued with the "ways". Can you please explain?

[mchughcb]

"Anyone who loses a gun for reasons other than exceeding the numerical limits, didn't really want or need that gun to begin with.

If you want or need it, there are ways. The limits suck and shouldn't be even considered - hell the Law Reform Commission Report didn't recomend them."

How on earth do you come that conclusion? And I am intrigued with the "ways". Can you please explain?

Buy as many as you can afford. Just put an alarm system in. What makes Victoria different? Mentality of who runs this state.

[Barbarian]

"Anyone who loses a gun for reasons other than exceeding the numerical limits, didn't really want or need that gun to begin with.

If you want or need it, there are ways. The limits suck and shouldn't be even considered - hell the Law Reform Commission Report didn't recomend them."

How on earth do you come that conclusion? And I am intrigued with the "ways". Can you please explain?

People who already shoot at clubs, shoot legally on an open license, have occupational licenses, have primary producer licenses, collectors. These people will retain their guns if they are motivated

As stated, numerical limits aside. Plenty of people will lose them who have larger numbers of firearms

People who bought property letters to own safe princesses and build “collections” like that, should have already got a collectors license well before this.

Any heirloom could be the start of a thematic collection if it’s not a legitimate historical piece.

If you actually go shooting somewhere you’ll talk to the property owner about it and sort out permission.

I should add, by numerical limits, I mean that for all numerical limits, including the number of pest shooters on your property. Target shooting is still valid on a hunting license.

I guess I wasn’t also considering people that lose them over new background or medical issue and the physical age limits on handguns though.