Sign of the times

[Die Judicii]

This year in particular I've noticed a distinctly low number of ads being placed on "Used Guns" over the Xmas break. A few years back there were an assortment of "Unwanted Gift" ads placed on Xmas day. I guess hard times are really starting to bite.

[Larry]

I thought it would be in undated with Sales from WA owners. Perhaps people are waiting until the last minute they are pissed as they should be I know some people that have given guns away rather than be forced to sell them. I suppose its like a puppy at least you know its going to a good home.

[bigrich]

This year in particular I've noticed a distinctly low number of ads being placed on "Used Guns" over the Xmas break. A few years back there were an assortment of "Unwanted Gift" ads placed on Xmas day. I guess hard times are really starting to bite.

recent reports are that australian living standards haven't been this bad in 50-60 years . poor management from both sides of politics and greedy corporate attitudes are destroying this country

[Bugman]

This year in particular I've noticed a distinctly low number of ads being placed on "Used Guns" over the Xmas break. A few years back there were an assortment of "Unwanted Gift" ads placed on Xmas day. I guess hard times are really starting to bite.

recent reports are that australian living standards haven't been this bad in 50-60 years . poor management from both sides of politics and greedy corporate attitudes are destroying this country

Oh so true. It begs the question as to what 2025 has in store for us.

[wanneroo]

This year in particular I've noticed a distinctly low number of ads being placed on "Used Guns" over the Xmas break. A few years back there were an assortment of "Unwanted Gift" ads placed on Xmas day. I guess hard times are really starting to bite.

recent reports are that australian living standards haven't been this bad in 50-60 years . poor management from both sides of politics and greedy corporate attitudes are destroying this country

Everything is out of whack and I think a lot of it is the western world has put other countries like China and India and the 3rd world as a priority and has neglected their own citizens and putting their own citizens first.

[noneyabussiness]

This year in particular I've noticed a distinctly low number of ads being placed on "Used Guns" over the Xmas break. A few years back there were an assortment of "Unwanted Gift" ads placed on Xmas day. I guess hard times are really starting to bite.

recent reports are that australian living standards haven't been this bad in 50-60 years . poor management from both sides of politics and greedy corporate attitudes are destroying this country

Everything is out of whack and I think a lot of it is the western world has put other countries like China and India and the 3rd world as a priority and has neglected their own citizens and putting their own citizens first.

so true.. its actually sad to see the decline in our country.. we could be a superpower if we had more than idiots at the wheel...

[Fester]

Nothing can even start to change for the better until people start not only voting them out but also not voting for the major corruption parties.

It's like Dumb and Dumber.
The pack of Woke faggots will do a lot more damage as they sign every UN, WHO and any other word order wackers plans.
They have put us last.

With living standards going down and heaps further to fall with the corp greedies looking to get their earns before the collapse, we haven't even started to pay for the green energy infrastructure or transition yet.
Why would they even be thinking up attacking LAFO unless they want the public fully disarmed before it gets worse.
It's not like legal firearms offences would even get to a single-figure statistic, would it?

[Oldbloke]

Nothing can even start to change for the better until people start not only voting them out but also not voting for the major corruption parties.

It's like Dumb and Dumber.
The pack of Woke faggots will do a lot more damage as they sign every UN, WHO and any other word order wackers plans.
They have put us last.

With living standards going down and heaps further to fall with the corp greedies looking to get their earns before the collapse, we haven't even started to pay for the green energy infrastructure or transition yet.
Why would they even be thinking up attacking LAFO unless they want the public fully disarmed before it gets worse.
It's not like legal firearms offences would even get to a single-figure statistic, would it?

I certainly agree.
If you keep repeating the same mistake,,,you will continue to get the same sh1t result.

There has always been a percentage of people who live from week to week. That number has recently increased a fair bit.

[Die Judicii]

Fester) if your thinking along the same lines as i am,, the "powers" probably would be a bit worried. I bow my head in respect to our SAS boys (snipers in particular),,, but from personal experience i have reservations about the ability of one individual in particular. I speak of an ex family member (commando) with Afghanistan tour, past history. At a family function on our property we had a target shooting competition,, and quite frankly i was horrified at his performance. His general handling of firearms left an awful lot to be desired. Ability to actually hit the target (a 4 liter paint tin) at 100 meters was abysmal,,, being beaten consistently by his wife who was a corporal in the transport division,,, and my 15yo twin grandsons who were experiencing their first ever shots out of a centerfire rifle. With those sort of results, the "powers" should be either very worried, or very keen to keep the general populace armed. The question is,,, Which way will they jump ?

[Billo]

Its the wealth effect, Real estate values have gone from $7 trillion to $11 Trillion in only a few years.

No shortage of money rolling around, if you didnt get on the Capital Gains Gravy train then I can understand your beef

Usedguns has a lot more competition, I picked up 2 bargains off SSAA usedguns last week, I rarely buy off the over priced Used guns

[mickb]

Its the wealth effect, Real estate values have gone from $7 trillion to $11 Trillion in only a few years.

No shortage of money rolling around, if you didnt get on the Capital Gains Gravy train then I can understand your beef

Usedguns has a lot more competition, I picked up 2 bargains off SSAA usedguns last week, I rarely buy off the over priced Used guns

Well the next generation wont get on the 'capital gains gravy train now', hardly their fault if they cant afford a house. I could buy in Brisbane 20 years ago when houses were about 3x my salary. Now its more like 10x. Part of building a country, even fighting for it , is securing the same basic rights and ability for the next generation to join the party and enjoy what we did. The wealth effect is meant to mean wealth for all, not wealth/costs moving upwards out of reach of half the population ...

And no shortage of money rolling around, you just need twice as much of it, to buy the same thing you could afford 3 years ago. The big players gouged the fk out of the market in that time, doubled and tripled their net worth, and we pay double at the supermarket.

[noneyabussiness]

Its the wealth effect, Real estate values have gone from $7 trillion to $11 Trillion in only a few years.

No shortage of money rolling around, if you didnt get on the Capital Gains Gravy train then I can understand your beef

Usedguns has a lot more competition, I picked up 2 bargains off SSAA usedguns last week, I rarely buy off the over priced Used guns

Well the next generation wont get on the 'capital gains gravy train now', hardly their fault if they cant afford a house. I could buy in Brisbane 20 years ago when houses were about 3x my salary. Now its more like 10x. Part of building a country, even fighting for it , is securing the same basic rights and ability for the next generation to join the party and enjoy what we did. The wealth effect is meant to mean wealth for all, not wealth/costs moving upwards out of reach of half the population ...

And no shortage of money rolling around, you just need twice as much of it, to buy the same thing you could afford 3 years ago. The big players gouged the fk out of the market in that time, doubled and tripled their net worth, and we pay double at the supermarket.

(sarcasm font)
But how dare you think of someone else but yourself... sheesh you must be one of those loser broke people...

I think it's fuc#ing hilarious when the " older " generation rant on, on how much it was better in the old days... then why the fuc# did you change things... oh wait, greed...

[bigrich]

(sarcasm font)
But how dare you think of someone else but yourself... sheesh you must be one of those loser broke people...

I think it's fuc#ing hilarious when the " older " generation rant on, on how much it was better in the old days... then why the fuc# did you change things... oh wait, greed...

very short sighted of you to brand a whole generation as being of the same mind and screwing the younger generation. definitely not a situation of my making or any of the other senior members of this forum or general public , "Mr broadbrush"

the current situation hasn't come about by the older generation mate , it's due to successive governments of both sides of politics failing to act in the national interest against big corporations and doing away with import tariffs to protect local industry and manufacturing, courtesy of john howards free trade agreements in 1996 .

the greatest tragedy is inaction and apathy by the australian public to be more tuned in politically and active in voting . when there was a boom in independent political parties the main parties got really upset and scared . it had a effect . so it's up to firebrand independent senators and the australian public to change the current status quo. it's probably easier to sit at home and watch netflix for most

[bigrich]

And no shortage of money rolling around, you just need twice as much of it, to buy the same thing you could afford 3 years ago. The big players gouged the fk out of the market in that time, doubled and tripled their net worth, and we pay double at the supermarket.

due to government not wanting to upset their mates in the high end of town with accountability to the national interest . it's all about high profits for stock holders . alot of ex pollies end up working for big business or have personal financial investments in lucrative markets. i heard our ex PM , turnbull the ex financial banker , has LOTS of money invested in wind turbines . surprise, surprise.

[Wapiti]

the current situation hasn't come about by the older generation mate , it's due to successive governments of both sides of politics failing to act in the national interest against big corporations and doing away with import tariffs to protect local industry and manufacturing, courtesy of john howards free trade agreements in 1996 .

the greatest tragedy is inaction and apathy by the australian public to be more tuned in politically and active in voting . when there was a boom in independent political parties the main parties got really upset and scared . it had a effect . so it's up to firebrand independent senators and the australian public to change the current status quo. it's probably easier to sit at home and watch netflix for most

Exactly. All too often, at the country's expense (re: Everyone in it), people suck up the lies they are told even though their own experiences tell them there's something wrong.

We seem obsessed with, and agree with, the need to appease overseas interests or "we won't buy your iron ore, coal, lobster or wine", to accept shoddy goods in return at cheaper prices that do NOTHING for our country.
EVERYTHING affordability wise here is tied to energy availability and COST, yet we fall over ourselves to vote for scum that are intent on ticking the boxes of the liars who are invested in taking our wealth.
Unless you are stupid, you know SUPPLY AND DEMAND drive up house prices. Yet we chop off our noses in destroying the businesses that supply the building materials of ALL TYPES that are needed. Again, energy costs hold this back.
Whinging idiots blame investors for this.
Then again, overseas interests that supply the cheap rubbish to make our infrastructure hold us to ransom with inflated prices and trade threats.
As has been rightly said here by those with wisdom, we HAVE EVERYTHING here to make anything here and power it too, but we close down our timber forests, steel making, coal mines, power generation, restrict gas supply to ourselves whilst selling it so cheap other countries buy it and re-sell it to others.

Then, the morons the people vote in do NOTHING to lure the skilled young people in to become the tradespeople we desperately need to build these homes, mines, infrastructure, everything, and APPLAUD those freaks that want to change gender, live in perpetual victimhood and suck the blood of the rest of us who have the skills to build for all.

In summing up, if I was El Presidente tomorrow, I would put a virtual "fence" around Australia, turn off all this trade and monetary criminal bullsh*t and tell everyone overseas that if you want our unique products and services, come and discuss it. Until then, go and f*** off with your demands that we drive the people here in the best country on earth that has EVERYTHING in natural resources to make everything we need, and all the SKILLED and willing trades and engineering, and everyone else that supports the country, to make it back into the best country in the world again. And these germs will come crawling back, desperately wanting negotiation for our products which we will sell to them at the prices that WE DECIDE are best for us. Then, immediately afterwards, start building reliable energy supply using our incredible natural resources and make Australians wealthy.

You people do have the options in this deliberately restrictive "free voting system to totally change this, yet Aussies would rather wring their hands and complain about the (deliberately manipulative) past rubbish instead of blaming their own ignorance in what's happening.

[noneyabussiness]

(sarcasm font)
But how dare you think of someone else but yourself... sheesh you must be one of those loser broke people...

I think it's fuc#ing hilarious when the " older " generation rant on, on how much it was better in the old days... then why the fuc# did you change things... oh wait, greed...

very short sighted of you to brand a whole generation as being of the same mind and screwing the younger generation. definitely not a situation of my making or any of the other senior members of this forum or general public , "Mr broadbrush"

the current situation hasn't come about by the older generation mate , it's due to successive governments of both sides of politics failing to act in the national interest against big corporations and doing away with import tariffs to protect local industry and manufacturing, courtesy of john howards free trade agreements in 1996 .

the greatest tragedy is inaction and apathy by the australian public to be more tuned in politically and active in voting . when there was a boom in independent political parties the main parties got really upset and scared . it had a effect . so it's up to firebrand independent senators and the australian public to change the current status quo. it's probably easier to sit at home and watch netflix for most

I'm not going to argue too much, but if you read what you wrote, you actually ended up agreeing with me... That generation LET this happen ( how and why is partly what you wrote and a heap more) , so the blame is squarely on THAT generation... simple fact ..

If you don't agree, doesn't matter, look around and tell me it's " better" than say 20 years ago... or heck 2 years ago.. The younger generation NEEDS to step up and do something, but as you said, most would rather be home watching netflix. Which again is a result if the " parenting " skill ( or lack thereof) of that generation, kids raised by tv etc...

[bigrich]

(sarcasm font)
But how dare you think of someone else but yourself... sheesh you must be one of those loser broke people...

I think it's fuc#ing hilarious when the " older " generation rant on, on how much it was better in the old days... then why the fuc# did you change things... oh wait, greed...

very short sighted of you to brand a whole generation as being of the same mind and screwing the younger generation. definitely not a situation of my making or any of the other senior members of this forum or general public , "Mr broadbrush"

the current situation hasn't come about by the older generation mate , it's due to successive governments of both sides of politics failing to act in the national interest against big corporations and doing away with import tariffs to protect local industry and manufacturing, courtesy of john howards free trade agreements in 1996 .

the greatest tragedy is inaction and apathy by the australian public to be more tuned in politically and active in voting . when there was a boom in independent political parties the main parties got really upset and scared . it had a effect . so it's up to firebrand independent senators and the australian public to change the current status quo. it's probably easier to sit at home and watch netflix for most

I'm not going to argue too much, but if you read what you wrote, you actually ended up agreeing with me... That generation LET this happen ( how and why is partly what you wrote and a heap more) , so the blame is squarely on THAT generation... simple fact ..

If you don't agree, doesn't matter, look around and tell me it's " better" than say 20 years ago... or heck 2 years ago.. The younger generation NEEDS to step up and do something, but as you said, most would rather be home watching netflix. Which again is a result if the " parenting " skill ( or lack thereof) of that generation, kids raised by tv etc...

Again mate , you’re tarring a whole generation as being responsible for this country’s current situation. Does that mean your current action/inaction is going to be responsible for a bleak future for the next generation ?
Me personally, I’m an old school blue collar tradie who’s voted for independent parties and the like for the last 20 years. Saying that me personally and others of my generation are responsible is a very simplistic view, hence the “Broadbrush “ comment

I welcome your views and opinions mate but there’s more to this story than I think you realise. Stereotyping a generation, or indeed a minority , like gun owners are by politicians and the general population, is a little bit naive. I don’t mean to be insulting or condescending, but I am trying to get my views across in the politest way possible. Cheers

[Oldbloke]

(sarcasm font)
But how dare you think of someone else but yourself... sheesh you must be one of those loser broke people...

I think it's fuc#ing hilarious when the " older " generation rant on, on how much it was better in the old days... then why the fuc# did you change things... oh wait, greed...

very short sighted of you to brand a whole generation as being of the same mind and screwing the younger generation. definitely not a situation of my making or any of the other senior members of this forum or general public , "Mr broadbrush"

the current situation hasn't come about by the older generation mate , it's due to successive governments of both sides of politics failing to act in the national interest against big corporations and doing away with import tariffs to protect local industry and manufacturing, courtesy of john howards free trade agreements in 1996 .

the greatest tragedy is inaction and apathy by the australian public to be more tuned in politically and active in voting . when there was a boom in independent political parties the main parties got really upset and scared . it had a effect . so it's up to firebrand independent senators and the australian public to change the current status quo. it's probably easier to sit at home and watch netflix for most

Agree.

[bladeracer]

It sounds like nirvana. I think we could certainly be entirely self-sufficient, _and_ export to other countries. But there is one major flaw, we are too big and too wide open to ever be able to defend ourselves against anybody wanting to come and take our resources rather than buy them. If we took the route of Germany in the thirties and turned _all_ of our resources toward building our military we still couldn't defend our country. If we went to nuclear power production, we could build ourselves a million armoured vehicles, and 50,000 fighter jets, and 10,000 SAM sites, but where would we get the hundred-million people we would need to man them and support them? If we conscripted every able-bodied person between 15 and 50 we'd still only have a few million poorly trained and equipped personnel, and we'd still have a never-ending coastline to defend. And anybody breaching our coastline is then into the interior, which we have no hope of defending. And in those vast areas of uninhabited land an enemy can install an army bigger than ours.

So, we can't be completely insular, we have to keep other countries happy buying our resources, and to support us militarily when required. We are almost the size of the US, but they have 340-million people and we have 27-million. China is larger than Australia but has fifty times our population, India is almost as big as Australia and has fifty times our population, Indonesia is a quarter of the size of Australia and has more than ten times our population. All of Europe, including Russia, is four times larger than Australia, with a population 28 times larger than ours. Western Europe is one-third the size of Australia with six times our population.

I just don't see Australia surviving very long if it cuts itself off from international trading. China imports 1.2 billion tons of iron ore and we are their biggest supplier, their industry absolutely relies on our supply. Almost everything that is manufactured in China for export all around the world needs to start with our iron ore. And they pay us $5000 for every Australian each year. If we cut it off, how long would we survive without that 135-billion dollar income, and since they are reliant on it why wouldn't they simply come and take it? I was surprised to see just now that we have more Aussies employed in mining our metal ores that we have in our entire military, what would those 90,000 people do if we stopped supplying China?


https://www.ausairpower.net/jsf.html

Exactly. All too often, at the country's expense (re: Everyone in it), people suck up the lies they are told even though their own experiences tell them there's something wrong.

We seem obsessed with, and agree with, the need to appease overseas interests or "we won't buy your iron ore, coal, lobster or wine", to accept shoddy goods in return at cheaper prices that do NOTHING for our country.
EVERYTHING affordability wise here is tied to energy availability and COST, yet we fall over ourselves to vote for scum that are intent on ticking the boxes of the liars who are invested in taking our wealth.
Unless you are stupid, you know SUPPLY AND DEMAND drive up house prices. Yet we chop off our noses in destroying the businesses that supply the building materials of ALL TYPES that are needed. Again, energy costs hold this back.
Whinging idiots blame investors for this.
Then again, overseas interests that supply the cheap rubbish to make our infrastructure hold us to ransom with inflated prices and trade threats.
As has been rightly said here by those with wisdom, we HAVE EVERYTHING here to make anything here and power it too, but we close down our timber forests, steel making, coal mines, power generation, restrict gas supply to ourselves whilst selling it so cheap other countries buy it and re-sell it to others.

Then, the morons the people vote in do NOTHING to lure the skilled young people in to become the tradespeople we desperately need to build these homes, mines, infrastructure, everything, and APPLAUD those freaks that want to change gender, live in perpetual victimhood and suck the blood of the rest of us who have the skills to build for all.

In summing up, if I was El Presidente tomorrow, I would put a virtual "fence" around Australia, turn off all this trade and monetary criminal bullsh*t and tell everyone overseas that if you want our unique products and services, come and discuss it. Until then, go and f*** off with your demands that we drive the people here in the best country on earth that has EVERYTHING in natural resources to make everything we need, and all the SKILLED and willing trades and engineering, and everyone else that supports the country, to make it back into the best country in the world again. And these germs will come crawling back, desperately wanting negotiation for our products which we will sell to them at the prices that WE DECIDE are best for us. Then, immediately afterwards, start building reliable energy supply using our incredible natural resources and make Australians wealthy.

You people do have the options in this deliberately restrictive "free voting system to totally change this, yet Aussies would rather wring their hands and complain about the (deliberately manipulative) past rubbish instead of blaming their own ignorance in what's happening.

[noneyabussiness]

(sarcasm font)
But how dare you think of someone else but yourself... sheesh you must be one of those loser broke people...

I think it's fuc#ing hilarious when the " older " generation rant on, on how much it was better in the old days... then why the fuc# did you change things... oh wait, greed...

very short sighted of you to brand a whole generation as being of the same mind and screwing the younger generation. definitely not a situation of my making or any of the other senior members of this forum or general public , "Mr broadbrush"

the current situation hasn't come about by the older generation mate , it's due to successive governments of both sides of politics failing to act in the national interest against big corporations and doing away with import tariffs to protect local industry and manufacturing, courtesy of john howards free trade agreements in 1996 .

the greatest tragedy is inaction and apathy by the australian public to be more tuned in politically and active in voting . when there was a boom in independent political parties the main parties got really upset and scared . it had a effect . so it's up to firebrand independent senators and the australian public to change the current status quo. it's probably easier to sit at home and watch netflix for most

I'm not going to argue too much, but if you read what you wrote, you actually ended up agreeing with me... That generation LET this happen ( how and why is partly what you wrote and a heap more) , so the blame is squarely on THAT generation... simple fact ..

If you don't agree, doesn't matter, look around and tell me it's " better" than say 20 years ago... or heck 2 years ago.. The younger generation NEEDS to step up and do something, but as you said, most would rather be home watching netflix. Which again is a result if the " parenting " skill ( or lack thereof) of that generation, kids raised by tv etc...

Again mate , you’re tarring a whole generation as being responsible for this country’s current situation. Does that mean your current action/inaction is going to be responsible for a bleak future for the next generation ?
Me personally, I’m an old school blue collar tradie who’s voted for independent parties and the like for the last 20 years. Saying that me personally and others of my generation are responsible is a very simplistic view, hence the “Broadbrush “ comment

I welcome your views and opinions mate but there’s more to this story than I think you realise. Stereotyping a generation, or indeed a minority , like gun owners are by politicians and the general population, is a little bit naive. I don’t mean to be insulting or condescending, but I am trying to get my views across in the politest way possible. Cheers

Again, I won't bother to go any further as it's always the same BS it wasn't me, it was everybody else at that tme..

I'll use the common example used here.. 1996 ... now in that year I was only just a teenager... when those laws were tabled, I was still only a teenager, those laws were voted in, again I was still a teenager... I wonder who voted them in... oh wait it was THAT GENERATION, the ones that royally fuc#ed us...
You personally might make up the .1 % at the time, good for you, but let put the blame of the current s**t show where it belongs, on the generation that DID it...

To fix it, it will take a lot of rooting out of those old fudds in entrenched positions of oversight... then we actually might see some improvement.. I do believe Australia could be a superpower, we have the resources and go, but how many times has progress been hindered by political doublespeak??

[mickb]

My take is rich very powerful people, and I dont mean some shady cadre of fellas wearing dark robes and doing sacrifices to satan, I mean just big business itself corrupted or got out of control and thats responsible for a lot our checks and balances failing. Currencies being sold to other countries, powergrids going private, market gouging, manufacture being given away, we are also now breaking all the rules we put down after the great depression and stock crash of 87 regards short selling and complex derivatives and every other shakey financial product. Its open slather again.

The whole generation vs generation thing is yet another distraction. You blame me and I blame you, while we both get poorer and the fellas at the top go on Ellen bragging they are hundred billionaires. FFS . I was never a conspiracy whacko, most of my career was either military or government work. But how much BS has to occur before you need to start asking questions? or do we wait until the cost of eggs, a loaf of bread and mens deodorant double again to $20 each?

The other thing is this is worldwide. People arguing labor vs liberal , albanese, resource policies when the other 30x 1st world countries are doing exactly the same thing. Its like ignoring the elephant in the room, 30 other elephants in fact

[bigrich]

Again, I won't bother to go any further as it's always the same BS it wasn't me, it was everybody else at that tme..

I'll use the common example used here.. 1996 ... now in that year I was only just a teenager... when those laws were tabled, I was still only a teenager, those laws were voted in, again I was still a teenager... I wonder who voted them in... oh wait it was THAT GENERATION, the ones that royally fuc#ed us...
You personally might make up the .1 % at the time, good for you, but let put the blame of the current s**t show where it belongs, on the generation that DID it...

To fix it, it will take a lot of rooting out of those old fudds in entrenched positions of oversight... then we actually might see some improvement.. I do believe Australia could be a superpower, we have the resources and go, but how many times has progress been hindered by political doublespeak??

christ mate , that's some blame game your playing . your blaming a whole generation of everyday people for our country's woes . far as i'm aware it was politicians who changed the gun laws not a 99% majority of everyday people . the guns laws were rammed through parliament real quick . i don't even think there was much of a "consulting" period . if you want to point the finger at a whole generation and lay the blame on them , well i'm just lost for words .

in 1996 i was 27 . guess i shoulda looked into my crystal ball and voted differently , maybe in 1997 i shoulda became a one nation senator , maybe..........

[bigrich]

My take is rich very powerful people, and I dont mean some shady cadre of fellas wearing dark robes and doing sacrifices to satan, I mean just big business itself corrupted or got out of control and thats responsible for a lot our checks and balances failing. Currencies being sold to other countries, powergrids going private, market gouging, manufacture being given away, we are also now breaking all the rules we put down after the great depression and stock crash of 87 regards short selling and complex derivatives and every other shakey financial product. Its open slather again.

The whole generation vs generation thing is yet another distraction. You blame me and I blame you, while we both get poorer and the fellas at the top go on Ellen bragging they are hundred billionaires. FFS . I was never a conspiracy whacko, most of my career was either military or government work. But how much BS has to occur before you need to start asking questions? or do we wait until the cost of eggs, a loaf of bread and mens deodorant double again to $20 each?

The other thing is this is worldwide. People arguing labor vs liberal , albanese, resource policies when the other 30x 1st world countries are doing exactly the same thing. Its like ignoring the elephant in the room, 30 other elephants in fact

you are spot on mick , i agree whole heartedly .

in a few more years when a loaf of bread is $15 , they'll probably have us start calling each other "comrade" ya know there are a few similarities to the era just before the french revolution and our current social situation , ignorant elites getting richer while the poor get poorer . the current housing and cost of living status is a disgrace . "vive le revolution..."

[bladeracer]

My take is rich very powerful people, and I dont mean some shady cadre of fellas wearing dark robes and doing sacrifices to satan, I mean just big business itself corrupted or got out of control and thats responsible for a lot our checks and balances failing. Currencies being sold to other countries, powergrids going private, market gouging, manufacture being given away, we are also now breaking all the rules we put down after the great depression and stock crash of 87 regards short selling and complex derivatives and every other shakey financial product. Its open slather again.

The whole generation vs generation thing is yet another distraction. You blame me and I blame you, while we both get poorer and the fellas at the top go on Ellen bragging they are hundred billionaires. FFS . I was never a conspiracy whacko, most of my career was either military or government work. But how much BS has to occur before you need to start asking questions? or do we wait until the cost of eggs, a loaf of bread and mens deodorant double again to $20 each?

The other thing is this is worldwide. People arguing labor vs liberal , albanese, resource policies when the other 30x 1st world countries are doing exactly the same thing. Its like ignoring the elephant in the room, 30 other elephants in fact

Have you seen what the politicians and Police are pushing through on firearm ownership in WA currently? There's been no consultation with the public at all, and I still talk to people that have no idea it is even happening.

[Oldbloke]

My take is rich very powerful people, and I dont mean some shady cadre of fellas wearing dark robes and doing sacrifices to satan, I mean just big business itself corrupted or got out of control and thats responsible for a lot our checks and balances failing. Currencies being sold to other countries, powergrids going private, market gouging, manufacture being given away, we are also now breaking all the rules we put down after the great depression and stock crash of 87 regards short selling and complex derivatives and every other shakey financial product. Its open slather again.

The whole generation vs generation thing is yet another distraction. You blame me and I blame you, while we both get poorer and the fellas at the top go on Ellen bragging they are hundred billionaires. FFS . I was never a conspiracy whacko, most of my career was either military or government work. But how much BS has to occur before you need to start asking questions? or do we wait until the cost of eggs, a loaf of bread and mens deodorant double again to $20 each?

The other thing is this is worldwide. People arguing labor vs liberal , albanese, resource policies when the other 30x 1st world countries are doing exactly the same thing. Its like ignoring the elephant in the room, 30 other elephants in fact

you are spot on mick , i agree whole heartedly .

in a few more years when a loaf of bread is $15 , they'll probably have us start calling each other "comrade" ya know there are a few similarities to the era just before the french revolution and our current social situation , ignorant elites getting richer while the poor get poorer . the current housing and cost of living status is a disgrace . "vive le revolution..."

Is that dry humour again?
You really can't compare then with now. Our living std is waayy better.

However, I agree that the trickle up effect ( or is that flood up) is definitely in full swing. And getting worse.
I've talked about this many times over the years. Often laughed at.
The money is now very concentrated, the rich are getting richer the poor, poorer.

The US is much worse, than here, there is a gulf between the upper and poor, lower class.

Happened in the UK in the abt the 1850s, too.

[Oldbloke]

1.1% own 45.8% of global wealth.

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/distri ... lth-chart/

WealthDistribution_Edits_1200_OL.jpg (504.07 KiB) Viewed 1478 times

[bigrich]

My take is rich very powerful people, and I dont mean some shady cadre of fellas wearing dark robes and doing sacrifices to satan, I mean just big business itself corrupted or got out of control and thats responsible for a lot our checks and balances failing. Currencies being sold to other countries, powergrids going private, market gouging, manufacture being given away, we are also now breaking all the rules we put down after the great depression and stock crash of 87 regards short selling and complex derivatives and every other shakey financial product. Its open slather again.

The whole generation vs generation thing is yet another distraction. You blame me and I blame you, while we both get poorer and the fellas at the top go on Ellen bragging they are hundred billionaires. FFS . I was never a conspiracy whacko, most of my career was either military or government work. But how much BS has to occur before you need to start asking questions? or do we wait until the cost of eggs, a loaf of bread and mens deodorant double again to $20 each?

The other thing is this is worldwide. People arguing labor vs liberal , albanese, resource policies when the other 30x 1st world countries are doing exactly the same thing. Its like ignoring the elephant in the room, 30 other elephants in fact

you are spot on mick , i agree whole heartedly .

in a few more years when a loaf of bread is $15 , they'll probably have us start calling each other "comrade" ya know there are a few similarities to the era just before the french revolution and our current social situation , ignorant elites getting richer while the poor get poorer . the current housing and cost of living status is a disgrace . "vive le revolution..."

Is that dry humour again?
You really can't compare then with now. Our living std is waayy better.

However, I agree that the trickle up effect ( or is that flood up) is definitely in full swing. And getting worse.
I've talked about this many times over the years. Often laughed at.
The money is now very concentrated, the rich are getting richer the poor, poorer.

The US is much worse, than here, there is a gulf between the upper and poor, lower class.

Happened in the UK in the abt the 1850s, too.

nah OB , not my dry sense of humour . sometimes it's hard to tell i wasn't making a direct comparison to living standards pre french revolution , but i was referring to the relative social structure of a small elite minority and the struggling masses, i don't think the gap between rich and poor has ever been higher . cost of living and homelessness has never been higher . and the influx of immigration is overburdening social resources . the wait for essential operations these days is years. the rich are definitely getting richer . i remember about 10+ years ago the CEO of the COM bank received a 10 million bonus for one years work . that was his bonus , he was on a salary as well . i wonder what some of these CEO's get paid these days . it's just extraordinary . i'd work for one year and live comfortably for the rest of my life on that sort of money .

[bigrich]

1.1% own 45.8% of global wealth.

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/distri ... lth-chart/

WealthDistribution_Edits_1200_OL.jpg

your graph isn't a accurate picture . if wealth is calculated including assets, super , modest suburban house , then i'm a millionaire , and i'm definitely not living the high life . just owning a modest suburban home and a bit of super and a 20 year old toyota shouldn't put me in the 1.1% of elites . due to inflation a million bucks isn't actually that much these days

[noneyabussiness]

My take is rich very powerful people, and I dont mean some shady cadre of fellas wearing dark robes and doing sacrifices to satan, I mean just big business itself corrupted or got out of control and thats responsible for a lot our checks and balances failing. Currencies being sold to other countries, powergrids going private, market gouging, manufacture being given away, we are also now breaking all the rules we put down after the great depression and stock crash of 87 regards short selling and complex derivatives and every other shakey financial product. Its open slather again.

The whole generation vs generation thing is yet another distraction. You blame me and I blame you, while we both get poorer and the fellas at the top go on Ellen bragging they are hundred billionaires. FFS . I was never a conspiracy whacko, most of my career was either military or government work. But how much BS has to occur before you need to start asking questions? or do we wait until the cost of eggs, a loaf of bread and mens deodorant double again to $20 each?

The other thing is this is worldwide. People arguing labor vs liberal , albanese, resource policies when the other 30x 1st world countries are doing exactly the same thing. Its like ignoring the elephant in the room, 30 other elephants in fact

you are spot on mick , i agree whole heartedly .

in a few more years when a loaf of bread is $15 , they'll probably have us start calling each other "comrade" ya know there are a few similarities to the era just before the french revolution and our current social situation , ignorant elites getting richer while the poor get poorer . the current housing and cost of living status is a disgrace . "vive le revolution..."

Is that dry humour again?
You really can't compare then with now. . Our living std is waayy better.

However, I agree that the trickle up effect ( or is that flood up) is definitely in full swing. And getting worse.
I've talked about this many times over the years. Often laughed at.
The money is now very concentrated, the rich are getting richer the poor, poorer.

The US is much worse, than here, there is a gulf between the upper and poor, lower class.

Happened in the UK in the abt the 1850s, too.

But is it ?? Maybe for people like yourself that lucked onto the " capital gains gravy train " .. the other 98% of the population are hurting

[Oldbloke]

"But is it ?? Maybe for people like yourself that lucked onto the " capital gains gravy train " .. the other 98% of the population are hurting"

How wrong can you be?
I didn't luck onto anything, I worked for it. Almost 4 years at night school whilst working full time and raising young family.
I made simple decisions like not eating out or buying coffee every day, or the latest car or furniture. Cut lunch every day for close to 50years.
I didn't nuy a new house, I bought a very cheap one and after working and saving up graded to where we now live. In the burbs.
I don't own several, just our family home..
I'm certainly not in the top 2% wealth wise.


I don't think people had a particularly high living std in the1800s. No sewerage, no running water sfa medical. Comparatively our living std is very high.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution