We're going to need tougher firearm laws I reckon

[bladeracer]

https://www.news.com.au/national/crime/faez-finau-20-identified-as-man-allegedly-busted-with-ar-15style-rifle-pistol-after-cops-allegedly-shot-at-during-pursuit/news-story/6fe5d6977c499851d69cf052e86b04ad

"Faez Finau, 20, identified as man allegedly busted with AR 15-style rifle, pistol after cops allegedly shot at during pursuit
A man charged over an alleged wild pursuit where officers took gunfire has fronted court – with police alleging in court documents why the 20-year-old was trying to break into a home while armed. A man arrested after police were shot at during a wild pursuit through Sydney was allegedly in possession of an AR 15-style rifle and a pistol used in a botched ambush. Faez Finau, 20, did not appear before Parramatta Bail Court on New Year’s Day where he was refused bail as he faces a string of break and enter and weapons charges. Police were called to a home in Edensor Park about 1.30am on Tuesday morning, following reports of a man attempting to gain entry. Upon arrival, officers were told two people, believed to be armed with a firearm, had left the scene in a Hyundai sedan that was later spotted on Cowpasture Rd in Hinchinbrook. Police allege the vehicle failed to stop, leading to a pursuit. However it was terminated a short time later due to concerns about safety. It is further alleged an unknown occupant of the vehicle fired at police during the pursuit. Later, the same car was stopped by road spikes on St Andrews Rd in Varroville. The driver of the vehicle – 20-year-old Mr Finau – was arrested at the scene, while another male passenger allegedly fleeing on foot. During a search of the vehicle, police allegedly located and seized two pistols, an assault rifle, and other weapons, as well as a number of spent cartridges at the scene. Police allege in court documents Mr Finau attempted to enter the single-story home, occupied by a man and a woman, while armed with a Beretta M9 9mm pistol. Officers allege Mr Finau did so with the intent to “discharge (a) firearm to cause grievous bodily harm” and intended to intimidate the occupants with the pistol. Mr Finau was charged with possession of the gun – which was the standard issue side-arm for the United States Armed Forces from 1985. It was replaced in 2017. At the time, police allege Mr Finau did not have a permit for the weapon, nor for a Daniel Defence BCM MCMR-9 5.56mm AR 15-style rifle that was also allegedly found in his possession. He was charged with possessing a military-style weapon, pistol, and prohibited firearm without permission to do so, as well as possessing a loaded firearm in public. He also faces charges of specially aggravated break and enter and intimidation, taking and driving a motor vehicle, driving while disqualified, and a police pursuit. Mr Finau did not apply for release on bail on Wednesday and will remain behind bars on remand before he is due to reappear before the court on February 26. Police had earlier established Strike Force Andelys to investigate the alleged incident, and had seized the Hyundai sedan for forensic testing after the alleged chase. No officers were injured in the pursuit."

[alexjones]

Firstly, not to sound like a snob but they spelt it "Daniel Defence" when it should be "Daniel DefenSe" because it is a name of an American company. The same way the Australian Labor party is spelt without the U because it is American.

Secondly, A Daniel Defense is a top of the range AR15 type rifle costing thousands in American dollars. They did not exist before 1996 so it was smuggled into the country or stolen from the police, an amourer, farmer or pest controller.

Thirdly, Daniel Defense and BCM(bravo company) are two different companies so which one is it? And MCMR means mlok compatible modular rail.

Fourthly, Typing "Daniel Defense BCM MCMR-9 5.56mm into google brings up gel blaster websites which are considered prohibited guns in NSW.

I AM 99% SURE THIS IS A GEL BLASTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The berretta pistol would be real.

[alexjones]

I hate to talk in absolutes but no criminal in Australia would have a Daniel Defense rifle. Old M16s and Colt AR15s sure they 100% do but not a Daniel Defense. This is a gel blaster I am sure of it. Possibly a high end mafia type criminal who loves to collect guns might have one in his collection but not some loser 20 year old street thug robbing houses.

We need to see a photo of the rifle.

[bladeracer]

My first thought when they started talking AR15 was that it must be a gel blaster. I can only guess the "spent cartridges" and the Police vehicle that was shot at must be all from the handguns.

[on_one_wheel]

OMFG
The general public will lap it up.

[alexjones]

My first thought when they started talking AR15 was that it must be a gel blaster. I can only guess the "spent cartridges" and the Police vehicle that was shot at must be all from the handguns.

Yeah mate has to be a gel blaster AKA a childrens toy. Which is why he brought the pistol into the house to do the robbery and left the "AR15" in the car because it was a toy.

The buzzwords for the dumb public are all there though. Assault rifle, AR15, military style weapon. But people like you, me and others on this forum that know a bit about guns can read between the lines.

[Wapiti]

My wife's best mate whom we took out to Boxing day lunch is a sergeant in the Qld Police. They used to work western Qld together. She said the firearm here was a gel blaster, and that on many occasions in Logan in Qld, they have almost shot people using gel blasters in gang related robberies, or just carry them around everyday when generally pushing people around in street and home thefts.
They even have no qualms pointing them at Police in attempts to get away, and very often it works. These Police DO NOT want to shoot anyone. I'm surprised more of this scum isn't regularly shot dead.
Take that as you will.

[on_one_wheel]

True that I hate those wanna be gangster drugo types, such f***ing looosers
A bit of old school USA style policing would have them thinking twice before taking a gel blaster to a gunfight.

[Oldbloke]

My wife's best mate whom we took out to Boxing day lunch is a sergeant in the Qld Police. They used to work western Qld together. She said the firearm here was a gel blaster, and that on many occasions in Logan in Qld, they have almost shot people using gel blasters in gang related robberies, or just carry them around everyday when generally pushing people around in street and home thefts.
They even have no qualms pointing them at Police in attempts to get away, and very often it works. These Police DO NOT want to shoot anyone. I'm surprised more of this scum isn't regularly shot dead.
Take that as you will.

I reckon, for every one shot, 10 would think twice about startng a career in crime. AU would be a better place.

[bigrich]

True that I hate those wanna be gangster drugo types, such f***ing looosers
A bit of old school USA style policing would have them thinking twice before taking a gel blaster to a gunfight.

yeah , i'm thinking harry callahan , AKA, dirty harry

[alexjones]

A lot of Australians today seem to live in this fantasy land about guns, be they toys or otherwise. "Oh its just a toy gun I am going to point it at someone for a laugh".
No sweetheart it does not work like that in the real world. I believe it was the old Texas Rangers in the wild west frontier of the 1800s that had the motto of "Shoot first, ask questions later".


We use to shoot air rifles and 22s in public areas parks, bushland etc when I was a kid but that was years ago in a more elegant era. But you never point a gun, toy or otherwise at anyone because that person has the right to assume the worse and the right to self defence.

[alexjones]

True that I hate those wanna be gangster drugo types, such f***ing looosers
A bit of old school USA style policing would have them thinking twice before taking a gel blaster to a gunfight.

Old school Aussie policing was good too.

[Wapiti]

When I was a kid, me mate Dave and I would walk the streets with our air rifles, shooting Starlings from the power lines (yeah, I know) along Beenleigh Rd. at Sunnybank. The cops knew our names, and used to pull up in a cop car and ask us if we were behaving ourselves and if not, they said, they would take us for a drive, kick our arses and leave us for a long walk home. This was in the late 70's. We were 12, 13 years old.
When I was an apprentice in the '80's, we'd ride the trains from Brisbane from Robinson's sports in the city, with rifles we'd bought. 22's, 303's, I remember showing a mate a mint 1951 Springfield Armoury Garand to a mate on the train I'd bought. People looked on but no Tactical Knob Polishers swooped on us at Altandi station when we got off. Nobody looked sideways.

Yeah. yeah, so what the younger folk would say, you always harp on about how great it was once, but you let it all be taken away.
Yes it's true, but I didn't let anything slip away, nor was I one of the juvenile neanderthals who ruined it all. Nobody can tar us all with the same brush, but COLLECTIVELY, we are all to blame.

Slowly, bit by bit, all those who now have to suffer these laws now see what death by 1000 cuts means. By hiding in a corner and waiting for someone else to do something, it slowly gets to a tipping point where to return is incredibly difficult, although never impossible.

Those misguided souls STILL trying to explain to government intent on taking their guns away from them, that it won't stop criminals, only law-abiding Australians. You are wasting your time... the politicians KNOW this, but they are doing it to disarm and control you. Don't you get it?
Whilst you waste your time sitting at the end of a dead-end road, they are continuing with their social-engineering plans to slowly walk all over you, bit by bit. And from what I've seen, it's because people are really too scared to say "NO MORE".
I call it cowardice, and probably have offended some people. But that's what it is.

By accepting the "pass me another little boy please" judges letting the juveniles out, by voting for socialist governments intent on controlling every aspect of your lives, including what you eat and how much money you'll earn, let alone you have guns that make them p*ss themselves. Heaven forbid, demand people be held accountable for their actions. No, social media fame, spending time discussing inane dribble and walking miles to avoid a challenge instead of hitting it head on has made this happen.

And when some people dare challenge this, most duck for cover. That doesn't work. If history doesn't prove that, maybe try another sport and don't invest too much on expensive guns and gear that they won't pay you for at confiscation time. See WA as your proof.

[on_one_wheel]

I agree, we should storm the palace, all 26 million of us.

[bigrich]

I agree, we should storm the palace, all 26 million of us.

we need a orange man to lead us......

one day the present will be the "good old days" . so hunt, fish, and own and use all the toys you want , cause unless there's some radical shift in the attitude of our guv'ment and society , things are only going to get tougher . cause guns scare people . hence the media not correcting reports when it's discovered the firearm was a gel blaster .personally i think the gel blasters should be banned .handy tool for politicians using scare tactics every time a criminal with a unregistered firearm/gel blaster does something very stupid. JMHO

[alexjones]

I agree, we should storm the palace, all 26 million of us.

we need a orange man to lead us......

one day the present will be the "good old days" . so hunt, fish, and own and use all the toys you want , cause unless there's some radical shift in the attitude of our guv'ment and society , things are only going to get tougher . cause guns scare people . hence the media not correcting reports when it's discovered the firearm was a gel blaster .personally i think the gel blasters should be banned .handy tool for politicians using scare tactics every time a criminal with a unregistered firearm/gel blaster does something very stupid. JMHO

Pauline has orange hair? haha

I would get behind her.

[alexjones]

Politicians create laws, people work to provide licensing for said laws, people use the power of the state to enforce said laws and the nanny state keeps on growing bigger and bigger.

[alexjones]

When I was a kid, me mate Dave and I would walk the streets with our air rifles, shooting Starlings from the power lines (yeah, I know) along Beenleigh Rd. at Sunnybank. The cops knew our names, and used to pull up in a cop car and ask us if we were behaving ourselves and if not, they said, they would take us for a drive, kick our arses and leave us for a long walk home. This was in the late 70's. We were 12, 13 years old.
When I was an apprentice in the '80's, we'd ride the trains from Brisbane from Robinson's sports in the city, with rifles we'd bought. 22's, 303's, I remember showing a mate a mint 1951 Springfield Armoury Garand to a mate on the train I'd bought. People looked on but no Tactical Knob Polishers swooped on us at Altandi station when we got off. Nobody looked sideways.

Yeah. yeah, so what the younger folk would say, you always harp on about how great it was once, but you let it all be taken away.
Yes it's true, but I didn't let anything slip away, nor was I one of the juvenile neanderthals who ruined it all. Nobody can tar us all with the same brush, but COLLECTIVELY, we are all to blame.

Slowly, bit by bit, all those who now have to suffer these laws now see what death by 1000 cuts means. By hiding in a corner and waiting for someone else to do something, it slowly gets to a tipping point where to return is incredibly difficult, although never impossible.

Those misguided souls STILL trying to explain to government intent on taking their guns away from them, that it won't stop criminals, only law-abiding Australians. You are wasting your time... the politicians KNOW this, but they are doing it to disarm and control you. Don't you get it?
Whilst you waste your time sitting at the end of a dead-end road, they are continuing with their social-engineering plans to slowly walk all over you, bit by bit. And from what I've seen, it's because people are really too scared to say "NO MORE".
I call it cowardice, and probably have offended some people. But that's what it is.

By accepting the "pass me another little boy please" judges letting the juveniles out, by voting for socialist governments intent on controlling every aspect of your lives, including what you eat and how much money you'll earn, let alone you have guns that make them p*ss themselves. Heaven forbid, demand people be held accountable for their actions. No, social media fame, spending time discussing inane dribble and walking miles to avoid a challenge instead of hitting it head on has made this happen.

And when some people dare challenge this, most duck for cover. That doesn't work. If history doesn't prove that, maybe try another sport and don't invest too much on expensive guns and gear that they won't pay you for at confiscation time. See WA as your proof.

This is why in my opinion anyone who supports any gun law is a communist scumbag. Because one law will eventually lead to another and another.
So if a person supports any gun law they effectively support them all. Any man not in jail should be able to buy whatever his wallet can afford. That is a freeman not a slave.

[bigrich]

Politicians create laws, people work to provide licensing for said laws, people use the power of the state to enforce said laws and the nanny state keeps on growing bigger and bigger.

this applies to "civilised" society in general . throughout history there's been laws and control , whether it was a king, republic or any form of government . power/control corrupts . such is the human condition

[alexjones]

Politicians create laws, people work to provide licensing for said laws, people use the power of the state to enforce said laws and the nanny state keeps on growing bigger and bigger.

this applies to "civilised" society in general . throughout history there's been laws and control , whether it was a king, republic or any form of government . power/control corrupts . such is the human condition

The people of NSW need to pay the government so they can fish unless they are aboriginal. So is that not racism and extortion?

[Bugman]

I agree, we should storm the palace, all 26 million of us.

we need a orange man to lead us......

Surely we can find an expendable Oomp Loompa here in Oz.

[bigrich]

I agree, we should storm the palace, all 26 million of us.

we need a orange man to lead us......

Surely we can find an expendable Oomp Loompa here in Oz.

clive palmer with a spray tan

[bigrich]

Politicians create laws, people work to provide licensing for said laws, people use the power of the state to enforce said laws and the nanny state keeps on growing bigger and bigger.

this applies to "civilised" society in general . throughout history there's been laws and control , whether it was a king, republic or any form of government . power/control corrupts . such is the human condition

The people of NSW need to pay the government so they can fish unless they are aboriginal. So is that not racism and extortion?

as far as i know the fishing license money goes back into management and restocking with fingerlings . not a bad idea really . we need for fisheries officers , the amount of @ssholes that take undersize fish and crab is shocking

[Bugman]

I agree, we should storm the palace, all 26 million of us.

we need a orange man to lead us......

Surely we can find an expendable Oomp Loompa here in Oz.

clive palmer with a spray tan

Yep. That's the plan.

[Tinker]

Politicians create laws, people work to provide licensing for said laws, people use the power of the state to enforce said laws and the nanny state keeps on growing bigger and bigger.

this applies to "civilised" society in general . throughout history there's been laws and control , whether it was a king, republic or any form of government . power/control corrupts . such is the human condition

The people of NSW need to pay the government so they can fish unless they are aboriginal. So is that not racism and extortion?

as far as i know the fishing license money goes back into management and restocking with fingerlings . not a bad idea really . we need for fisheries officers , the amount of @ssholes that take undersize fish and crab is shocking

Fishermen get it too easy.
They should have to provide "Genuine Reasons" before they can purchase a rod&reel or a handline, with all purchases duly reported to the Fisheries Registry. Rods should be secured in a locked cupboard so that unlicensed fishermen can't steal them and use them.
Lures can only be purchased to suit the licensed rod - so don't try buying a big surf minnow if all you have is a little 6' flick stick. Lure and bait purchases are of course recorded.
Heaven help you if you lose your licensed rod over the side of the boat, as you're clearly an "unfit person" and your fishing license will be cancelled.

[bigrich]

Fishermen get it too easy.
They should have to provide "Genuine Reasons" before they can purchase a rod&reel or a handline, with all purchases duly reported to the Fisheries Registry. Rods should be secured in a locked cupboard so that unlicensed fishermen can't steal them and use them.
Lures can only be purchased to suit the licensed rod - so don't try buying a big surf minnow if all you have is a little 6' flick stick. Lure and bait purchases are of course recorded.
Heaven help you if you lose your licensed rod over the side of the boat, as you're clearly an "unfit person" and your fishing license will be cancelled.

the public outrage if the restrictions of firearms laws were applied to fishing would be epic . a car/truck is a deadly weapon in the wrong hands , imagine public outrage if firearms type regulations were applied to motor vehicles . actually the death toll is far , far higher from vehicle accidents and criminal behaviour

[Oldbloke]

Fishermen get it too easy.
They should have to provide "Genuine Reasons" before they can purchase a rod&reel or a handline, with all purchases duly reported to the Fisheries Registry. Rods should be secured in a locked cupboard so that unlicensed fishermen can't steal them and use them.
Lures can only be purchased to suit the licensed rod - so don't try buying a big surf minnow if all you have is a little 6' flick stick. Lure and bait purchases are of course recorded.
Heaven help you if you lose your licensed rod over the side of the boat, as you're clearly an "unfit person" and your fishing license will be cancelled.

the public outrage if the restrictions of firearms laws were applied to fishing would be epic . a car/truck is a deadly weapon in the wrong hands , imagine public outrage if firearms type regulations were applied to motor vehicles . actually the death toll is far , far higher from vehicle accidents and criminal behaviour

Agree 500%. What's the national road toll?
What are workplace deaths?
Deaths in hospitals due to errors?
Death by drownings?
What's the national death by firearms?

[Oldbloke]

Politicians create laws, people work to provide licensing for said laws, people use the power of the state to enforce said laws and the nanny state keeps on growing bigger and bigger.

this applies to "civilised" society in general . throughout history there's been laws and control , whether it was a king, republic or any form of government . power/control corrupts . such is the human condition

The people of NSW need to pay the government so they can fish unless they are aboriginal. So is that not racism and extortion?

It's clearly racism.
White man has been hunting and fishing since the dawn of time.

[Bugman]

An interesting sideline. A dead whale was washed up on Lakes Beach, Central Coast NSW. Shire council advised locals that they could not remove it until permission was given by the local aborigional council. For f&Jks sake, trendsetters, what is this society coming to.
It is truly laughable.

[Oldbloke]

A few politicians and councilors need to get off their knees.