shooting meeting.

[Bugman]

Get into pistol shooting if you want to see a bunch of like-minded groups that refuse to acknowledge or work with each other.

BR, I could not agree more. Every pistol club I have belonged to has had this syndrome.

[alexjones]

The pistol club I go to does so called "rolling competitions" so you go do your shoots on any day you want. Sometimes you are at the range by yourself.

[Bugman]

Maybe in QLD, AJ but NSW you must have 2-3 on the range, no single visits. I think St. Ives Pistol Club let's all members have a key
but you need at least 2 shooters. One to act as R/O I think while the other shoots. I believe that to fullfill your licence obligations, you must attend the relevant match and submit either a score or practice sheet. If you are able to go and "compete" on your own, you are very lucky. I am jealous, if that's the case

[bladeracer]

The pistol club I go to does so called "rolling competitions" so you go do your shoots on any day you want. Sometimes you are at the range by yourself.

I don't think our club has any issue with shooting a match on your own if you're the only one that turns up. Was pretty hot and humid today but we had seven shooters. I shot a centrefire match then tidied up the old wire and posts from the front fence that we've been replacing and took it to the tip.

The weird thing about the clubs is that most of the people seem to be perfectly wonderful people, it seems to be the administrative types that have the problems with other clubs and disciplines from what I can tell. I have had one idiot barking at me for joining an ISSF club when I want to shoot IPSC. At another club I had an absolute nutjob yelling at me for having a water bottle on my belt, I felt like I was on the parade ground in Army Cadets. I refuse to take onboard other people's mental issues

[bladeracer]

Maybe in QLD, AJ but NSW you must have 2-3 on the range, no single visits. I think St. Ives Pistol Club let's all members have a key
but you need at least 2 shooters. One to act as R/O I think while the other shoots. I believe that to fullfill your licence obligations, you must attend the relevant match and submit either a score or practice sheet. If you are able to go and "compete" on your own, you are very lucky. I am jealous, if that's the case

As far as I can tell that is not the case here, at least not at the clubs I've attended. All the clubs I've attended here give keys to all members, if we want to go and shoot on our own we're welcome to.

If we have all four classes of handguns (air, rimfire, centrefire (including blackpowder), and larger-than-.38) then we have to do sixteen attendances, what we do for the rest of the year is irrelevant. Today was my twentieth attendance this year.

[alexjones]

Maybe in QLD, AJ but NSW you must have 2-3 on the range, no single visits. I think St. Ives Pistol Club let's all members have a key
but you need at least 2 shooters. One to act as R/O I think while the other shoots. I believe that to fullfill your licence obligations, you must attend the relevant match and submit either a score or practice sheet. If you are able to go and "compete" on your own, you are very lucky. I am jealous, if that's the case

Yes sorry I meant excluding the RO. An RO must be present but apart from that if the range is open you can shoot your pistol if its only you there. The ROs are club volunteers.

Also, anyone with a pistol licence can sign off on the range attendance sheet. So If its just me and the RO he signs my attendance sheet then he shoots and I sign his attendance sheet. In QLD you do not need to submit score cards, just your yearly attendance sheet.

[alexjones]

Maybe in QLD, AJ but NSW you must have 2-3 on the range, no single visits. I think St. Ives Pistol Club let's all members have a key
but you need at least 2 shooters. One to act as R/O I think while the other shoots. I believe that to fullfill your licence obligations, you must attend the relevant match and submit either a score or practice sheet. If you are able to go and "compete" on your own, you are very lucky. I am jealous, if that's the case

As far as I can tell that is not the case here, at least not at the clubs I've attended. All the clubs I've attended here give keys to all members, if we want to go and shoot on our own we're welcome to.

If we have all four classes of handguns (air, rimfire, centrefire (including blackpowder), and larger-than-.38) then we have to do sixteen attendances, what we do for the rest of the year is irrelevant. Today was my twentieth attendance this year.

Yes QLD is the same 6 minimum shoots if you only have one class. If you have more than one class than it becomes 4 shoots per class so max 16.

[bladeracer]

Yes QLD is the same 6 minimum shoots if you only have one class. If you have more than one class than it becomes 4 shoots per class so max 16.

Ten is the minimum shoots here in Vic if you only have one or two classes of handgun. If you hold three classes it's twelve, and sixteen for all four classes.

[Tomotron]

Yes QLD is the same 6 minimum shoots if you only have one class. If you have more than one class than it becomes 4 shoots per class so max 16.

Ten is the minimum shoots here in Vic if you only have one or two classes of handgun. If you hold three classes it's twelve, and sixteen for all four classes.

What does the Vic attendance sheet look like? Does it distinguish between matches and non-matches/shoots?

[bladeracer]

Yes QLD is the same 6 minimum shoots if you only have one class. If you have more than one class than it becomes 4 shoots per class so max 16.

Ten is the minimum shoots here in Vic if you only have one or two classes of handgun. If you hold three classes it's twelve, and sixteen for all four classes.

What does the Vic attendance sheet look like? Does it distinguish between matches and non-matches?

Under the "Competition" column I believe "Target Shoot" is supposed to say "Training Shoot". I've only shot competitions so far this year.

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My intention is to own all four classes but I can't have any more rimfire or centrefire handguns until September. In our first six months of the full CatH licence we can only own an air-pistol, a blackpowder pistol, and either a rimfire or a centrefire pistol, not both. Because my girlfriend and I joined together, between us we can own two air-pistols, two blackpowder pistols, a rimfire pistol and a centrefire pistol. I'm chasing a pair of blackpowder revolvers now as I can use those in Cowboy until I can get a pair of .38 Single-Action Armys. My only interest in air-pistol is to get one so as to be able to go into the club when it suits new shooters that can't make it to the scheduled air-pistol shoots. The club requires new shooters to do two air-pistol shoots before moving to rimfires and centrefires - the demand for the club's air-pistols is always high as they only do one scheduled shoot every week. So I plan to have to shoot sixteen minimums each year. For four classes those sixteen shoots must include at least six matches as a competitor or RO, and must include at least four "events" with the air-pistol, four with a rimfire pistol, four with a centrefire/blackpowder pistol, and four with the .45 1911. And the sixteen attendances must be over at least ten separate days. I did shoots two weeks ago at two different clubs on the same day, one in the morning and one in the arvo, but that would only count as a single attendance I believe.

Although the club is an ISSF VAPA club they are very open to me shooting other disciplines at other clubs, and happy to endorse permits for pistols that don't particularly suit use in ISSF events. I have joined three clubs so far with more to come.

[Tomotron]

Yes QLD is the same 6 minimum shoots if you only have one class. If you have more than one class than it becomes 4 shoots per class so max 16.

Ten is the minimum shoots here in Vic if you only have one or two classes of handgun. If you hold three classes it's twelve, and sixteen for all four classes.

What does the Vic attendance sheet look like? Does it distinguish between matches and non-matches?

Under the "Competition" column I believe "Target Shoot" is supposed to say "Training Shoot". I've only shot competitions so far this year.

20250205_144206b.jpg

My intention is to own all four classes but I can't have any more rimfire or centrefire handguns until September. In our first six months of the full CatH licence we can only own an air-pistol, a blackpowder pistol, and either a rimfire or a centrefire pistol, not both. Because my girlfriend and I joined together, between us we can own two air-pistols, two blackpowder pistols, a rimfire pistol and a centrefire pistol. I'm chasing a pair of blackpowder revolvers now as I can use those in Cowboy until I can get a pair of .38 Single-Action Armys. My only interest in air-pistol is to get one so as to be able to go into the club when it suits new shooters that can't make it to the scheduled air-pistol shoots. The club requires new shooters to do two air-pistol shoots before moving to rimfires and centrefires - the demand for the club's air-pistols is always high as they only do one scheduled shoot every week. So I plan to have to shoot sixteen minimums each year. For four classes those sixteen shoots must include at least six matches as a competitor or RO, and must include at least four "events" with the air-pistol, four with a rimfire pistol, four with a centrefire/blackpowder pistol, and four with the .45 1911. And the sixteen attendances must be over at least ten separate days. I did shoots two weeks ago at two different clubs on the same day, one in the morning and one in the arvo, but that would only count as a single attendance I believe.

Although the club is an ISSF VAPA club they are very open to me shooting other disciplines at other clubs, and happy to endorse permits for pistols that don't particularly suit use in ISSF events. I have joined three clubs so far with more to come.

Thanks for that!

[bladeracer]

Thanks for that!

No worries
Having to list the firearm serial numbers is new this year and is taking some getting used to, a lot of people don't even know where the numbers are on their pistols I understand the only reason for doing this is so that they can see that we have used a centrefire for a centrefire match, rimfire for rimfire matches etc. If the match is scheduled for centrefire you can shoot it with a rimfire but you can't claim it for an attendance, and vice versa.

[alexjones]

That card is basically the same as the QLD one but ours does not have the serial number. Don't give weapons licensing any ideas mate haha

Ours also has a section for the RO to sign.


This is the QLD one

https://www.police.qld.gov.au/sites/def ... 0guide.pdf

[Bugman]

Thanks for that!

No worries
Having to list the firearm serial numbers is new this year and is taking some getting used to, a lot of people don't even know where the numbers are on their pistols I understand the only reason for doing this is so that they can see that we have used a centrefire for a centrefire match, rimfire for rimfire matches etc. If the match is scheduled for centrefire you can shoot it with a rimfire but you can't claim it for an attendance, and vice versa.

The serial number bit was hinted at in NSW some time back and apparently was to include the calibre for each recording.
It appeared to have been put in the "too hard basket" (Rumour has it, that NSW FAR didn't have enough staff etc, but the reporting of same was to bee left to the club secretary or scorer....)

[Oldbloke]

Well WA LAFAOs will get two opportunities to express their anger very soon.

"West Australians will be going to the polls twice in a matter of weeks, starting on March 8 when the state election is held, followed by a federal election sometime not long after."


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-02-13/ ... /104925094

[Bugman]

Well WA LAFAOs will get two opportunities to express their anger very soon.

"West Australians will be going to the polls twice in a matter of weeks, starting on March 8 when the state election is held, followed by a federal election sometime not long after."


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-02-13/ ... /104925094

Yep. This will (hopefully) show the true state of situation. It will be very interesting.

[on_one_wheel]

Get another hobby Paul Papsmear

[Tomotron]

Get another hobby Paul Papsmear

Sadly, he's in one of the safest seats and therefore won't lose it.

[Wapiti]

Latest political analysts and polls show WA Labor are going to romp it in.

Over here, the big news is a supposed rift or some leadership competition between Libby Mettam and the Perth Lord Mayor Basil Zempilas, and that is being used by Labor, successfully it seems, to discredit the possibility of a government change.
Labor's TV ads we've been shown make plenty of digs at the opposition, like "none of them can handle GST, have never run a government before", "the people are behind us on gun law reform" and other BS.
But the polling we are shown here shows some bad news. WA seems to be still supporting Labor no matter what, while the rest of Australia is sick of them ruining our futures.
Hopefully the media reports are just spin.

[geoff]

The maths is pretty simple

The liberals would need an absolutely record breaking, generational event to form government again. Their star candidate, Basil, has spent his Lord Mayorship (a position which has just been a Parliamentary election campaign by any other name since the start).....attacking battered women's shelters and the like?

What do the libs offer? What is their platform?

State liberals are just a completely inept political animal. Outside of dumb flag culture wars and church branch stacking, they are a complete policy vacuum

The recent Labor governments have run their course but make no mistake, the Libs are not even close to being a viable option.

[Wapiti]

True, we can ask ourselves, "what good do the Liberals promise to bring?"

But that is self defeating, if the Liberals would've seen as many shooters at the gun-law protest rally as the show of complete solidarity that farmers showed when they jacked up, I'd bet you'd have a way better result.
Point is, the "what good" brigade have sealed their fate by their actions.

Dunno if any of you are conservative enough to pay for your media, but on SKY quite early this morning there was a short story, maybe only 30 seconds, and I'm paraphrasing but it was following the story about polls showing Labor way ahead and about to win another term, was something about the proposed gun safety reforms that "most shooters agreed with the new laws". The insinuation was that due to the poor turnout at a previous gun law protest rally, shooters were conspicuous by their absence, showing that opposition was only small and won't affect the election whatsoever.

I just hope that those looking on see what WA just did here, despite all the excuses and please learn from it.

[geoff]

It's not self defeating to ask a group of people who want to run the state "Hey so what do you actually bring to the table here? What are your policies"

It's nothing more than the bare minimum.

Re: Sky News. I wouldn't put much faith in that reportage.

[Wapiti]

Wasn't a reporter speaking, it was one of the state Labor members having a dig. Wouldn't matter what news network it was shown on.
I'd actually like to know if one of the free-to-air lefty news programs actually reported that. Anyone see it elsewhere?
For those embarrassed by their own (lack of) actions, I suppose any excuse will help.
Media bias in putting the lid on factual coverage doesn't change the message the WA gun licence holders have handed their government.

The school bully that picks a fight with everyone he sees as a weak target told you to meet him after school out the front, and you didn't show. In case all your mates saw you didn't have it in you to teach him a lesson. Only now, the outcome is way worse.

[Oldbloke]

Reportedly only 1500 at the rally!

https://sportingshooter.com.au/news/wes ... ead%20More

[bigrich]

Reportedly only 1500 at the rally!

https://sportingshooter.com.au/news/wes ... ead%20More

a very upbeat article by SSAA, sounds like they had some good speakers committed to the cause too . but 1500 rally attendees is way too small to bring any real political pressure. they need to do it again MUCH BIGGER . quite damning that the fella who wrote a report saying it was completely ignored by government, and the report doesn't justify the government firearms reform . this sort of thing is going to move east fellas.

i can only hope the big movers ,importers, manufacturers, in the firearm industry start to exert more political pressure not just clubs.

[alexjones]

1500 people? So even less than the 2000 people I heard. Just disgraceful.

I am not a commie and I get that everybody can do what they like but my mind can not comprehend the indifference of a WA gun owner. Their lack of unified exposure shows the world that they support the laws or they lack the spine to show support.


I get we all have a life but at what point do people make a political stand? At what point to people go through personal struggles for a political cause they believe in? I quit my job and left my grandfathers deathbed to drive from Cairns to Canberra to protest government tyranny back in 2022. He told me to not be lazy and that it's not about freedom for us as we are old it's about freedom for the next generation.

That really resonated with me. It felt awesome to be apart of Australian history. To be apart of a 300k people crowd in front of parliament house. Then like a week later all the tyrannical lockdown nonsense came to an end. Because unified crowds work!

[Wapiti]

Reading my posts it sure looks like I'm an aggressive bast@rd, I don't mean it to be but I'm only trying to get people to turn this around after years of capitulation and basically no push back. I get that WA shooters get offended when other states members make opinions, but we are after all all Australians.
It's only the individual states governments that are pushing the people around, and of course it's a state issue, but governments are just that, governments and react to the same pressures from the people no matter where in Australia.

I only mentioned the farmers taking whatever trouble was necessary to make a political point, regardless of time and cost. They saw that as essential, enough is enough, and it got a result. Some spent 10K on float hire alone, in a time when they're flat out making a profit on anything.
What I'm seeing now from farmers groups is an attitude to ignore city based shooters and look after themselves politically. That's not good. Some are just seeing city gun owners as cowardly hangers-on, very sad to see.

I'm not advocating anger, violence or law breaking. That alienates the public. Mere orderly participation. What a crying shame that after all the 10's of 1000's of shooters in WA that are about to be screwed over, the politicians can get up and crow to the rest of Aus about how few people are actually against their "safety" reforms.
Never forget that the public listening to this cr@p are the very lemmings that keep on voting for their life behind bars, being protected by the dregs of the state in government, not the stars.
I'm actually very disappointed at the orgs that tried to dilute the orderly protest.
Funny thing though hey, they'll still be taking your money. Maybe even more. How coincidental and convenient these saviours are!

Best thing you can do is try for another chance, but I don't have any hope.
I know the audience is small, but eastern states, you know what to expect if you stay indoors and pray for miracles. It will need push back when they try it here.

[Oldbloke]

Yeh, 1500 is pathetic.
Perhaps they have "tossed in the towel"

[Fester]

We can only hope we put up some sort of a fight and not die on our knees like WA.

Not hearing anything much at all about what the major orgs did now that it's all over.
They did get vocal and fought the rally organizers, and what a load of s**t they went on about the damage it will do.
One said they are organizing people to hand out how-to-vote cards lol.

The election is a done deal and Papsmere is as safe as houses and will go for the top job.
This is what happens when a major party is left in too long.

If shooters don't get together and at the very least support the SFFP, we may go the same way.
I just flicked through PooTube last night and Robert Borsak is still very active and attacking the FAR over their new policies of taking disabled shooter's licenses if they can't get doctors letters.
When he questioned the relevant minister, she had no answers or information.
To her credit she answered with slightly less stupidity than when she banned all fishing for Groper.

The top cops have got together and we can see their similarities in using their registry policies to try and cull LAFOs yet do nothing about the real issues like their own failings and crime control.

So far we have lost in WA and SA bow hunters have to go interstate to hunt or give it away.
We can all see where they are going with public land hunting in Vic and NSW.
Forestry was our friend providing land access, but that industry is now dying under the woke greenturd govts.
The very Fudds that fight each other more than most shooters will be next as they shut their ranges to keep the people safe.

I can just give up, duck my head, hunt, and shoot my years out but I think I will just fight on in principle.
We can win more years as we will see the woke govts fall as hard times set in and the other mob will make less changes to keep their noses in the trough longer.

[mchughcb]

The amount of WA shooters posting what they are selling in the club house in Vic expecting to get those prices are nothing but delusional.

We I guess they are getting another hobby and think everyone else is going to pay for it during a cost of living crisis.