who's better???

[bumpy1976]

As a new shooter, i would like to get everyone's thoughts on who is better at working for the rights of shooters, and best services for shooters....

SSAA vs Shooters Union

SU have way cheaper membership, and the SSAA have shooting ranges ....

[noneyabussiness]

wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more from SU... ssaa are a old Boys club that do nothing but run ranges...

[Wapiti]

Do your research, and it'll be plainly obvious.
Politically, SSAA does nothing but look after itself and its money making enterprises, it's ranges.
SU is politically super active, and has done so much for shooters, at least where I am, and what I do.

If you have to use a range to keep your pop guns, there are a few options.
But without guns, rifle ranges are going to become housing estates pretty soon.

[GQshayne]

SSAA membership is also a legitimate reason for firearm ownership. It is simpler than trying to nominate a private property you have access to for use as your reason.

[noneyabussiness]

so is SU, but way better...

[Wapiti]

Although I don't need to be a member of either to support my need to own firearms because for 20 years it's been Primary Production, I still believe we all should support both organisations.
My wife and I both have SSAA as well as SU membership separately, because we believe in the need (and the hope) that something will become of it positively for everyone. Maybe showing my age, but I've been an unbroken SSAA member for 40 years. My Dad used to drop me off at the Belmont range before I had a drivers licence. We both joined SU the minute we say the work they were doing to support us all.

I actually think that those who aren't members are just hypocrites, and enemies of us who want to be left alone to do our own thing.

[noneyabussiness]

Here's an idea... SSAA join with SU and be united in the same common goal.... wow wouldn't that be a feat of humility

[Wapiti]

That'd be like Pauline Hansen actually accepting all of Clive Palmers money to get One Nation out there with unlimited advertising and exposure, he wanted a 50/50 say then. Hansen refused of course, there's no way she will give up her stranglehold on her party or take suggestions or pressure from anyone.
So Palmer goes off and makes up another political party to dilute any hope conservatists that are sick of the duopoly slime from dragging us down.

People can be extremely self-centred and narcissistic, and to let go of ultimate power, or their own personal egos. SU wants to be political, SSAA seems to be only interested in ranges and their money generating corporation.

[Bugman]

Palmer! His ugly frame is starting to reappear on my tv, now that an election is looming. Ruins a good nights programming.

[Tinker]

SSAA membership also provides public liability insurance, if you plan on shooting on private land or in state forests.

[TuskerOrd]

Same as Wapiti I'd join SSAA to get access to ranges and insurance but will be sure to join SU too - to fight for ownership. Over time the old boys will be uplifted by youngones that might have different views

[Wapiti]

SSAA membership also provides public liability insurance, if you plan on shooting on private land or in state forests.

Mate, don't misunderstand this SSAA "insurance ".

It DOES NOT represent, help, nor indemnify the poor old farmer letting you onto his land, in the event you roll your ute, squash your brain flipping your quad or break your neck, or shoot a hole in yourself.
I recently saw a YouTuber who promotes deer management on other people's properties and has a "club" you join to enjoy his nice little earner, and he thinks you can get around this with farm-specific SWMS, JHA's and "sign that you understand and will listen" documents, but it doesn't stop a lawsuit against the farmer, nor fit the bill for him defending a claim. Them there's the payout, when the weekender shooter is stuck in a wheelchair forever.

We all know about the pointlessness of this claim, and more and more farmers are not letting anybody on now with a firearm unless they are fully insured contractors, engaged in the process of feral animal control and formally on-site.

At my last formal inquiry, we had a quote for $5k a year to let hunters on. Who's going pay for that?

[MG5150]

SSAA membership also provides public liability insurance, if you plan on shooting on private land or in state forests.

Mate, don't misunderstand this SSAA "insurance ".

It DOES NOT represent, help, nor indemnify the poor old farmer letting you onto his land, in the event you roll your ute, squash your brain flipping your quad or break your neck, or shoot a hole in yourself.
I recently saw a YouTuber who promotes deer management on other people's properties and has a "club" you join to enjoy his nice little earner, and he thinks you can get around this with farm-specific SWMS, JHA's and "sign that you understand and will listen" documents, but it doesn't stop a lawsuit against the farmer, nor fit the bill for him defending a claim. Them there's the payout, when the weekender shooter is stuck in a wheelchair forever.

We all know about the pointlessness of this claim, and more and more farmers are not letting anybody on now with a firearm unless they are fully insured contractors, engaged in the process of feral animal control and formally on-site.

At my last formal inquiry, we had a quote for $5k a year to let hunters on. Who's going pay for that?

What sort of insurance do you need if you're a shooter doing pest control or recreational hunting on someone elses private land or farm?

[Wapiti]

Depends what you want it for when referring to a recreational shooter.
I have not been able to get information on specific policies that visitors can purchase to protect ME from them...
I do know, from using and insuring ourselves against others who screw up and then try and blame us, that any insurance to protect us from what I previously described are specifically for that issue.
Anyone using firearms for recreation is not a cheap policy to insure against, as a landowner. Sure, so many farmers have to idea that their third-party policy in their farm business insurance will NOT help them against injuries or accidents recreational visitors cause themselves. Only self-insured contractors working to a purchase order or commercial paid request.

Contractors (professional shooters i.e. PAID to undertake animal control for a farming or other business with an ABN registered for GST) - they need to consult an insurance company that will cover them against their own accidents and mistakes in undertaking their work - i.e. using firearms for feral animal control. There aren't many.
I suggest you call the private SSAA Insurance company and discuss this with them and get a quote. They actually do that for members and non-members.
Ask them if the insurance for hunters included with SSAA membership covers the farmer letting you on to shoot if you injure yourself whilst there. I have, and it's a big no.

[womble]

SSAA membership also provides public liability insurance, if you plan on shooting on private land or in state forests.

Mate, don't misunderstand this SSAA "insurance ".

It DOES NOT represent, help, nor indemnify the poor old farmer letting you onto his land, in the event you roll your ute, squash your brain flipping your quad or break your neck, or shoot a hole in yourself.
I recently saw a YouTuber who promotes deer management on other people's properties and has a "club" you join to enjoy his nice little earner, and he thinks you can get around this with farm-specific SWMS, JHA's and "sign that you understand and will listen" documents, but it doesn't stop a lawsuit against the farmer, nor fit the bill for him defending a claim. Them there's the payout, when the weekender shooter is stuck in a wheelchair forever.

We all know about the pointlessness of this claim, and more and more farmers are not letting anybody on now with a firearm unless they are fully insured contractors, engaged in the process of feral animal control and formally on-site.

At my last formal inquiry, we had a quote for $5k a year to let hunters on. Who's going pay for that?

What sort of insurance do you need if you're a shooter doing pest control or recreational hunting on someone elses private land or farm?

ssaa membership gives you public liability and personal accident insurance https://www.ssaa.org.au/?ss_news=ssaa-membership-protects-you-and-your-family

How much it actually covers and the excess I have no idea. Better to ring the broker and query .

Obviously farms have insurance also if you’re not at fault.

And I don’t know conservatists means. I don’t think it’s a word.

[womble]

I just join all the orgs, have all the game licences etc.
Better to to keep the membership numbers up.

I don’t think you need to pick just one. Support them all. Just make sure you join approved clubs.

[bigrich]

i'm a member of SU and ssaa. ssaa for the club side of it , SU for the great work they do . quite a few members of my local ssaa have recently joined SU due to hassles with pta's for medium and large bores . no action or support from ssaa when these issues were raised . SU was a different story , hence people joining and supporting them .

[Bugman]

I just join all the orgs, have all the game licences etc.
Better to to keep the membership numbers up.

I don’t think you need to pick just one. Support them all. Just make sure you join approved clubs.

Makes sense to me.