Qld to need special permission for 300WM and larger?

[Wapiti]

I received an email from Shooters Union about how Qld Weapons Licensing are, outside of any new regs, putting new usage restrictions on people who are requesting PTA's for bigger cals than 300. That's if in fact, they approve them at all.
They are disputing this behaviour and are demanding dialogue with the relevant politicians and bureaucrats.

They have asked that their email isn't copied or pasted, so I won't do that.

People have been made to get special letters from the landowners that permit them to hunt as part of their granted license class, with land size, personal permission, why a bigger cal is needed referring to how much open country and animal size.
If you have SC1 SC2 on your licence, the calibre can only be used at designated large hunting rifle comps at a club, and not in the field. At least that is what the latest PTA applicants have been being restricted to, IF the permit is approved.
Makes my blood boil that city based, overweight public servants that contribute nothing to our country whatsoever are pushing around real Australians just being good citizens.

Again I stress, you MUST join this organisation if you value your past-time. For the price of a box of ammo or for a carton of your favourite diabetes, once a year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0BYfO1NqPE&t=370s

And this is the sort of thing that Shooters Union, it's push to support politicians and how it's members, when informed, can stir up some response and start getting some solutions that we aren't fools...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5Cx9Z6iARA

Don't forget, this crap is always bubbling away and you MUST support the people that show they are working for you.
If you don't contribute, and hide behind some excuse, than you are an enemy of all of us.

[GQshayne]

I got an email from SSAA Qld today. They clearly stated that these claims are false, and are not an issue.

[deye243]

Put a pta in for a 338 RUM and see if it gets approved

[Die Judicii]

I got an email from SSAA Qld today. They clearly stated that these claims are false, and are not an issue.

Yeah, me too. I got the same email.

[noneyabussiness]

yeah.... BS again from SSAA, it's not an issue, until it is... then the mighty SSAA will do as they always do.. some stupid puff piece in their magazines and NOTHING... in the lastest " newsletter " the president letter, she knocks other " organisations " for lying too.... sorry I would believe SA over them any day, but why would you ?? BOTH organisations have the same agenda right ??

All that us shooters want is REAL action on these issues rather than pointless showboating and gaslighting....

[bigrich]

I got an email from SSAA Qld today. They clearly stated that these claims are false, and are not an issue.

Yeah, me too. I got the same email.

i've got a email from the fella who runs the big game comp at ripley QLD who's said the same as wapati , that pta approval is for one class of shooting only , sports at the range or recreational . not both .pending approval.... i reckon the fella running the comp would know . i know for a fact one of the guys in that comp needed a letter from the club for a rifle , and he's currently state champ in that class . i'm a ssaa member but i don't trust the leadership of the club . which is why i'm a shooters union member and support politics reloaded . step up now fellas as wapati has suggested . for the cost of a carton of beer membership to a shooting advocate group otherwise WA type restrictions are going to spread if changes to weapons licensing go unchallenged . act now

[Wapiti]

Put a pta in for a 338 RUM and see if it gets approved

Keen to know how you go, because 99% you'll get a "why" email and keen to hear how you satisfy this mob. Even if it's a PM.

I got my 338Lapua "for long range destruction of shy and wary feral animals where I cannot get withing smaller calibre distances in my open country"

[Billo]

Shooters Union is just straight out telling Porkies to increase membership

[GQshayne]

In another thread on this froum, one of our members stated the issue was due to how the the PTA's were completed. No doubt, the process is flawed, no argument there. But ultimately they have to follow the guidelines to be approved.

[Wapiti]

Well, better get the wording just right then, eh?

Thank goodness I live with lions not mice. Obviously, it's all about playing the game, not being considered an upstanding citizen that's already proven he plays by the rules.

It's just easier to harass the bloke sweating on the PTA, instead of the youth crime, rapes, assaults, whatever. Despite what the enemies of my leisure and past-time think from their little pillboxes, I will continue to support the mob who have gone to bat in court for people like me, and that's Shooters Union.

Betcha those denigrating their efforts know SFA about them too.

[deye243]

Put a pta in for a 338 RUM and see if it gets approved

Keen to know how you go, because 99% you'll get a "why" email and keen to hear how you satisfy this mob. Even if it's a PM.

I got my 338Lapua "for long range destruction of shy and wary feral animals where I cannot get withing smaller calibre distances in my open country"

No use me putting one in , I just said somebody needs to put one in see if it gets approved you don't have to use it then you will know whether it's BS or not

[Billo]

Well, better get the wording just right then, eh?

Thank goodness I live with lions not mice. Obviously, it's all about playing the game, not being considered an upstanding citizen that's already proven he plays by the rules.

It's just easier to harass the bloke sweating on the PTA, instead of the youth crime, rapes, assaults, whatever. Despite what the enemies of my leisure and past-time think from their little pillboxes, I will continue to support the mob who have gone to bat in court for people like me, and that's Shooters Union.

Betcha those denigrating their efforts know SFA about them too.

what are you trying to say ?? Shooter Uniion have been caught straight out lying, rope that calf dum dum

[bigrich]

Well, better get the wording just right then, eh?

Thank goodness I live with lions not mice. Obviously, it's all about playing the game, not being considered an upstanding citizen that's already proven he plays by the rules.

It's just easier to harass the bloke sweating on the PTA, instead of the youth crime, rapes, assaults, whatever. Despite what the enemies of my leisure and past-time think from their little pillboxes, I will continue to support the mob who have gone to bat in court for people like me, and that's Shooters Union.

Betcha those denigrating their efforts know SFA about them too.

[bigrich]

Shooters Union is just straight out telling Porkies to increase membership

to quote auntie pauline "please explain..."

shooters union are the only shooting group i see doing anything to stand up for shooters , all you hear from ssaa is this..............................nothing

[Billo]

Shooters Union is just straight out telling Porkies to increase membership

to quote auntie pauline "please explain..."

shooters union are the only shooting group i see doing anything to stand up for shooters , all you hear from ssaa is this..............................nothing

Feel free to post up all their political wins ? Ive read all their stuff and they make a lot of noise and I'd like to see accuracy if they are making big claims

[noneyabussiness]

yeah... I'm sure billo that nothing's going on and they just " drumming up support "... honestly, good on em, as has been stated repeatedly, SU are the ONLY place actually making any headway or effort with our rights, SSAA are doing SFA...so even if they are " not winning " anything, at least they are DOING something that will only improve with the membership numbers...

so even if it's just a " water testing " moment,, and if SU are going make some noise to tell em NO , then worth the dosh every day...

[bigrich]

Shooters Union is just straight out telling Porkies to increase membership

to quote auntie pauline "please explain..."

shooters union are the only shooting group i see doing anything to stand up for shooters , all you hear from ssaa is this..............................nothing

Feel free to post up all their political wins ? Ive read all their stuff and they make a lot of noise and I'd like to see accuracy if they are making big claims

sometimes just making "noise" is enough to deter guvment from overreach . if they know their being watched their less likely to "try it on" . i seem to remember the fella in NT who went armed to help a neighbour who'd been assaulted. might've been the NSC who'd jumped in with legal aid . the guy won legally , but the cops and WLB were out to get him . real tale of how the system can screw you over . anyway , i fully support organizations who are pro active in defending shooters legally and politically . we need a NRA type organization in this country and so far the NSC or SU is the only thing that's even remotely active in defending us JMHO

[Linuz]

So from my experience, SSAA range people are great - but the ones in the office ... very disappointing, to talk nicely. They are there for you IF you don't need their help. Just signed-up with Shooters Union, bye-bye SSAA. Looks like I'm just another unhappy SSAA (former) member ...

[Wapiti]

Fortunately for my own personal standards, I don't post up anything unless it's fair dinkum. I couldn't give a toss what some dreamer thinks.
The unfortunate part is that these germs infest the internet, and some people might actually listen to the dribble. That's why you city-based shooters are now endangered species.

The most basic person could do 5 minutes of research as to why SU is backing shooters and getting results. But I won't speak of something others got benefit from them from, I'll mention my own experience.
But I'll take 10 minutes to type this out just to stem the flow of BS from the enemies of you decent people out there wondering. It's a pretty diluted overview.
A number of primary producers in the Downs had their PP Cat H license renewals refused, ones they'd had for 3-4 renewal periods, 15-20 years, and on their own they were being victimised. I know because I was personally involved in supporting them at the time, after a certain influential farmer dropped my name. One got onto the local ABC radio from Toowoomba and they whipped up a bit of a problem for WL and people jacked up, hence some early morning raids and some deliberate harassment. One bloke was actually becoming very depressed because of the bullying.
SSAA would not return my calls, and I'd hoped the SFP in Qld still existed and would use it to get support, but they'd backstabbed themselves into oblivion and that was useless. But I was an SU member and called them up, and they contacted the people concerned, spoke to them at length, listened to their issues, compiled up overview for a lawyer who gave up his time to help them and set up a case for their personal pushback in QCAT.
One got his licence back, one was so terrified of being raided again he backed out and literally could not bring himself to face them in QCAT. That was what they set out to do.
Compare that to some goose online who says some crap like "Shooters Union is telling porkies to increase membership" like a 5 year old.
If any of you feel you are strong enough to fight for yourselves, be my guest and listen to the trolls to whom shooting and hunting is just a fly-by-night game, if they lose it they'll just take up something else half-heartedly.

[GQshayne]

Any organisation that wants my support would have got the details, and then made a correct dtermintaion of the problem, PRIOR to issuing statements that would be found out to be incorrect later.

There are many that wold like firearms to be banned. I am with Billo on this one. It does not serve our cause to look like a disorganised rabble. I am hopeful that this is an isolated incident form Shooters Union.

[DaveZ]

Any organisation that wants my support would have got the details, and then made a correct dtermintaion of the problem, PRIOR to issuing statements that would be found out to be incorrect later.

There are many that wold like firearms to be banned. I am with Billo on this one. It does not serve our cause to look like a disorganised rabble. I am hopeful that this is an isolated incident form Shooters Union.

I've only seen a few bits and pieces on social media, are you saying the claims of restrictions on the 300WM are made up or that there is more to the story?

Cheers.

[Wapiti]

Haven't you guys seen the copies of the letters put up online regarding this? I hope you just don't hear one side of the story, especially from the agitators. I can only comment from my own experiences, which I have done.
If that's not good enough for you, good luck.

Another thing in political muscle is to jump on an issue, blow it all up for all to see, and make 100% certain that if anyone wants to secretly start victimising people, it will be out there immediately for those with some balls to sort it out.

We've been lacking this in this country, and it shows.

[Wapiti]

Another thing you guys want to pay a lot of attention to, is the lack of understanding and disparity between urban weekenders and full time primary producers on the gun law issue.
I was in the local town gunshop prior to the weekend and the guys were talking of a property owner/firearms enthusiast who'd been given a hard time when applying for a PTA for a 338WM. Was told to supply data on what animals he has that were large enough to warrant the calibre. Situation was unresolved at that time.
Point is, apparently the customer was of the opinion that shooters from the coast won't back farmers, are self obsessed and worse, don't need most of the guns they buy at all. As far as this being isolated, apparently more and more country people feel completely unsupported by the city shooters and have written them off. Well if that's true it was news to me and I am disappointed it's getting to this. Quite sick of this me, me, me attitude from both sides actually, and the only way it will stop is to have something to bring everyone together as the powers that be succeed in separating everyone.

[Wapiti]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l8zY3zE7Z4&t=328s

[DaveZ]

Yes I've seen copies of the letters stating that the PTA would only be approved if conditions for only range shooting were incorporated, I haven't seen a lot else, no, hence my question that you didn't really answer. If that's all there is then I support what Shooters Union is doing for general awareness at the very least. If the guy has been through the rigmarole to be approved for his license then there should be no conditions attached to any firearm that falls in the category for which he is approved to own and use. I'm sure though, that there must be more to the story that I haven't seen as I can't otherwise understand why there would be pushback against the shooters union for publicising the information.

[Wapiti]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orRZ_YbYz2g&t=28s

[Wapiti]

Yes I've seen copies of the letters stating that the PTA would only be approved if conditions for only range shooting were incorporated, I haven't seen a lot else, no, hence my question that you didn't really answer. If that's all there is then I support what Shooters Union is doing for general awareness at the very least. If the guy has been through the rigmarole to be approved for his license then there should be no conditions attached to any firearm that falls in the category for which he is approved to own and use. I'm sure though, that there must be more to the story that I haven't seen as I can't otherwise understand why there would be pushback against the shooters union for publicising the information.

As I am told mate that if you have an A&B license and have never proven use on a farm, such as with a property permission form 1 annexure:
https://www.police.qld.gov.au/sites/def ... ishing.pdf
then they are starting to deny PTA's using the excuse I've put you all onto in posts above.
In other words, so many of you have just SSAA or SU membership used as your genuine reason but still have had licenses issues with SC1, SC2, RE1 etc RE being permitting you recreational shooting on a farmers place you have permission on. But it seems WL is starting to see that this can be used to deny applications.
This is the basis of these denials for larger calibres, and the PTA's granted to only use the firearm in some designated big game competition or some other deliberately annoying reason.
The other issue is the demand, from people with permission from a landowner to hunt, to hassle them to have to prove your need for you to them, by stating that s larger calibre is needed for big ferals on their place, proving the infestation and why something smaller isn't sufficient.

[DaveZ]

Thank you. That's pretty much how I understood the current situation to be, it still doesn't explain why a handful of people are up in arms at the SU for publicising the events. I think it's a good thing that we have an organisation that's willing to put themselves out there and hold others to account. No point in hiding in the shadows hoping for the problem to go away.

[Wapiti]

I will place a bet, that in the future, using this information, they will start deciding what calibres are going to be allowed for hunters. You wait and see. Anybody want to bet me $100?
This why we need an organisation that jumps on this, discredits it and makes a heap of noise and informs it's members that the morons are running the asylum in town. This takes money and time, despite so many shooters expecting somebody else to do all their lobbying for them for free, or having their heads in the sand... a great position to be reamed.

[alexjones]

Only a commie would cry about a gun rights group trying to generate media attention about issues impacting gun owners.