Nick Harvey

[mickb]

No time for him at all. Leant his weight against self loading rifles during the gun grabs.

[alexjones]

No time for him at all. Leant his weight against self loading rifles during the gun grabs.

Correct. Whilst he was very knowledgable he was a scumbag communist sympathiser.

If you don't like self loading guns DON’T buy one. It is your personal choice. But how dare you tell others that they don't need them.

[on_one_wheel]

There were many fudds in the 90's
It's probably important to remember their views on firearms were shaped by experiences and memories of the Vietnam war.
Semi autos didn't give those men warm fuzzy feelings.

[Oldbloke]

I'm unsure what his position was. But IMO you shouldn't attack people who are in no position to defend themselves.

[Wapiti]

I'm unsure what his position was. But IMO you shouldn't attack people who are in no position to defend themselves.

You reckon if he was still alive he'd be checking a shooting forum all day, arguing with wannabes, and fighting back to correct those who have something to say against him?
Nah, he was outside too much living it and sharing his expertise to care what social media says.

Actually, can anyone alleging he campaigned against semi-autos put up some proof?

[alexjones]

I'm unsure what his position was. But IMO you shouldn't attack people who are in no position to defend themselves.

I have seen you mention a certain aspiring painter from Austria before. Or is he an exception?

No look I get your point and I do somewhat understand it. However people just need to remember that he was a two face to the gun community.

[alexjones]

I'm unsure what his position was. But IMO you shouldn't attack people who are in no position to defend themselves.

You reckon if he was still alive he'd be checking a shooting forum all day, arguing with wannabes, and fighting back to correct those who have something to say against him?
Nah, he was outside too much living it and sharing his expertise to care what social media says.

Actually, can anyone alleging he campaigned against semi-autos put up some proof?

He didn't campaign against semi autos in the literal sense of standing on a corner holding a sign saying no semis. He was just being a communist telling people that nobody needs semi autos and its not a big deal that we lose them.

[No1Mk3]

I'm intrigued to discover John Howard and Russell Mark are communists.

[Billo]

I'm unsure what his position was. But IMO you shouldn't attack people who are in no position to defend themselves.

Chicken little loves the attention by being crass and controversial, its rather boring

[alexjones]

I'm intrigued to discover John Howard and Russell Mark are communists.

I don't like semi autos I don't want to buy one.

I don't like semi autos I don't want you to buy one.

See the difference? Thats the difference between having an opinion which we are all entitled too and being a communist.

[No1Mk3]

I'm intrigued to discover John Howard and Russell Mark are communists.

I don't like semi autos I don't want to buy one.

I don't like semi autos I don't want you to buy one.

See the difference? Thats the difference between having an opinion which we are all entitled too and being a communist.

Howard the Coward claims an intense dislike of commies, and so would former Liberal Party hopeful Russell Mark. Yet both have taken the position you quote 2nd above as have most pollies on both sides of the so-called political spectrum. Those few actual Communist Party members I have known and debated with, and some Anarchists I still know as well as a number of avowed Socialists I have been involved with in the Union Movement would absolutely agree with the 1st position you offered. Because of my own life experience I can't believe the "I don't like it so you can't have it" attitude is a only a commie one as many holding it are not. And unlike Mr Harvey Mr Mark has actively campaigned in favour of the Buy-Back and the removal of semi-auto firearms, only much later modifying his position to allow shotguns in comps. To me a very hypocritical position saying effectively "semi-auto is fine for MY type of shooting only, but not for anyone else's type of competition".,

[bigrich]

I'm unsure what his position was. But IMO you shouldn't attack people who are in no position to defend themselves.

i agree . maybe he was just a quiet bloke who enjoyed hunting and writing . it's been stated in his view he had no use for semi's . if that's his personal view what's wrong with that ? the guy was a hunter and writer , probably wanted no part of getting involved in the dirty game of politics . that was SSAA's job to represent it's members , not uncle nick's

[mickb]

I'm unsure what his position was. But IMO you shouldn't attack people who are in no position to defend themselves.

You can have opinions even strong of anyone live or dead, otherwise recorded history doesn't function

[mickb]

There were many fudds in the 90's
It's probably important to remember their views on firearms were shaped by experiences and memories of the Vietnam war.
Semi autos didn't give those men warm fuzzy feelings.

Can't agree with that, plenty of Vietnam vets don't give a hoot about guns or enjoyed hunting with skk themselves. Nick was a pommy import anyway, not a vet.

[Oldbloke]

I'm unsure what his position was. But IMO you shouldn't attack people who are in no position to defend themselves.

i agree . maybe he was just a quiet bloke who enjoyed hunting and writing . it's been stated in his view he had no use for semi's . if that's his personal view what's wrong with that ? the guy was a hunter and writer , probably wanted no part of getting involved in the dirty game of politics . that was SSAA's job to represent it's members , not uncle nick's

I keep reading on the www that he threw shooters under the bus re semi's.

Well, was he a key representative negotiating fo behalf of shooters? I doubt it, IIRC Ted Drane (SSAA) played a big part.

I've searched a few times, never found proof, so, is it rumour, fact, or just plain BS?

We didn't have the internet back then, just magazines, TV, radio and news papers. So perhaps I missed it.

Here we are complaining that shooters don't work together to retain shooting rights and at the same time knifing an Australian shooting icon. WTF
And he isn't here to defend himself either. WTF

[Wapiti]

Harvey single-handedly made a huge contribution to Australian shooting and reloading. Hunting mainly, that drove him the most.
To me, he is/was an icon.

If he had a negative opinion of semi-automatics for whatever reason, he had a right to. But you are either political or you are not. Example, I think a box magazine fed shotgun has no benefits only negatives for my purposes, but I would always support someone's lawful right to own whatever they personally want.

There isn't anybody, or will never be now, that will rival Nick Harvey for what he has done for everybody with an interest in hunting and reloading technical advice. Not a hope.

[Wapiti]

Still like to see an example of Nick campaigning against semi-autos or saying we don't need them.
You know, for those alleging its personal credibility's sake.
Not trying to be a stirrer, I want to see it so I can make up my own mind on facts.

[Bugman]

Still like to see an example of Nick campaigning against semi-autos or saying we don't need them.
You know, for those alleging its personal credibility's sake.
Not trying to be a stirrer, I want to see it so I can make up my own mind on facts.

Yes. Having met the fellow, I would like to see any type of anti semi-autos evidence presented. Cold hard facts are what is needed, not suposition. If the evidence is there, then...well who cares. Nick has passed on, leave it at that.

[Oldbloke]

Still like to see an example of Nick campaigning against semi-autos or saying we don't need them.
You know, for those alleging its personal credibility's sake.
Not trying to be a stirrer, I want to see it so I can make up my own mind on facts.

Yes. Having met the fellow, I would like to see any type of anti semi-autos evidence presented. Cold hard facts are what is needed, not suposition. If the evidence is there, then...well who cares. Nick has passed on, leave it at that.

Agree.

[Wapiti]

Crickets?

[mickb]

Still like to see an example of Nick campaigning against semi-autos or saying we don't need them.
You know, for those alleging its personal credibility's sake.
Not trying to be a stirrer, I want to see it so I can make up my own mind on facts.

Bit hard to provide so called facts and evidence from what we're round table discussions 30 years ago, pre internet to boot. The world back then was more word of mouth.


Everyone involved back then knew the major players and by the end of it new their positions and the positions of many major gunshop owners, distributorrs , gun writers was a disgrace.

A lot of the damage was caused by so called gun advocates selling other firearms types down the tube to keep their favorites or businesses open. They would switch opinions in the middle of a debate and leave their whole side with their ass hanging out. But believe what you want fellas, and I don't mean in a spiteful way, it's just different opinions

[alexjones]

Nick made several public statements that there was no need for people to have semi auto longarms.

He didn't say he didn't want to use them as is his personal choice. He said that he didn't want you or I to use them. So thats why I say F him. Who is he to tell others what they need.

Don't buy one if you are against them. But don't tell others what they need.

[Oldbloke]

Nick made several public statements that there was no need for people to have semi auto longarms.

He didn't say he didn't want to use them as is his personal choice. He said that he didn't want you or I to use them. So thats why I say F him. Who is he to tell others what they need.

Don't buy one if you are against them. But don't tell others what they need.

Is this what you saw, read in newspapers or heard yourself, or what you have seen on the www?

Was he in some way representing shootersin negotiations?

[bigrich]

Nick made several public statements that there was no need for people to have semi auto longarms.

He didn't say he didn't want to use them as is his personal choice. He said that he didn't want you or I to use them. So thats why I say F him. Who is he to tell others what they need.

Don't buy one if you are against them. But don't tell others what they need.

can you offer any proof of this ? i've heard this mentioned before but have never seen any hard evidence .

[Wapiti]

Still like to see an example of Nick campaigning against semi-autos or saying we don't need them.
You know, for those alleging its personal credibility's sake.
Not trying to be a stirrer, I want to see it so I can make up my own mind on facts.

Bit hard to provide so called facts and evidence from what we're round table discussions 30 years ago, pre internet to boot. The world back then was more word of mouth.

Everyone involved back then knew the major players and by the end of it new their positions and the positions of many major gunshop owners, distributorrs , gun writers was a disgrace.

A lot of the damage was caused by so called gun advocates selling other firearms types down the tube to keep their favorites or businesses open. They would switch opinions in the middle of a debate and leave their whole side with their ass hanging out. But believe what you want fellas, and I don't mean in a spiteful way, it's just different opinions

Yes, I do remember that was going on now. I reckon you're right, and what you've said here has turned on a lightbulb in my head. I do remember a bit of an outrage now that Uncle Nick has denigrated the use of semi-autos. I remeber what it was about now. It was primarily driven by the use of SKK's etc on game that was going on.
He had fine opinions of quality autoloaders like the fine Browning BAR's at the time, I remeber that he did a review on one and it was that article that convinced me I had to get one in 300WM. At the time, I was still struggling to keep my house after that dog Keatings 17.5% interest rate "recession we had to have" and was eating 2-minute noodles for dinner and sleeping on my swag in an empty house I was just hanging onto.
I never got that rifle, just as I got on my feet Howard enacted the laws the Labor scum had been drafting for years, and even the Browning sporting rifles were banned and crushed.

[mickb]

yes thats true I do recall his review of the BAR rifles.

[Wapiti]

yes thats true I do recall his review of the BAR rifles.

Yeah, it was a real blow I never realised my dream.
I saw a bloke at the Belmont range with a beautiful 300WM BAR just before the buyback deadline was running out, I think it was September '96.
The walnut on it was gorgeous and glowing like a light was on inside the wood, and the metalwork was polished and perfect. It was his last shoot before handing it in - he'd only just got it after a long order wait as the new laws were dumped on us. Finally getting one in such a perfect chambering was his dream also... I remember a tear running down his face.

It was that time I finally woke up and became politically aware.

[bigrich]

i'd LOVE a BAR in 35 whelen

[Stoney]

Nick Havery absolutely did say we don't need semi-auto's in Australia.

[Bugman]

Nick Havery absolutely did say we don't need semi-auto's in Australia.

Well....when and where did he actually say this? A few here are stating stuff like this BUT no hard evidence has been produced of him stating this. There must be some evidence out there to back up your arguments. As it has been said "put your money where your mouth is".