Nick Harvey

[mickb]

Nick Havery absolutely did say we don't need semi-auto's in Australia.

Well....when and where did he actually say this? A few here are stating stuff like this BUT no hard evidence has been produced of him stating this. There must be some evidence out there to back up your arguments. As it has been said "put your money where your mouth is".

Bit hard to produce hard evidence from a pre internet era. My mate Mike McGuire took on Rebecca Peters in open debate, he and a group of fellas did as much to preserve guns as anyone else. The anti's wanted all guns people seem to forget, they battled them back to what you have in your gun safe. I got no evidence of any of that either.

[Stoney]

Nick Havery absolutely did say we don't need semi-auto's in Australia.

Well....when and where did he actually say this? A few here are stating stuff like this BUT no hard evidence has been produced of him stating this. There must be some evidence out there to back up your arguments. As it has been said "put your money where your mouth is".

Not sure how old you are mate, but I, and many others remember the kick in the guts by a bloke we thought would back us. Old tv archives or magazines would tell the truth. Someone will present the evidence. The truth always comes out.

[Billo]

Nick Havery absolutely did say we don't need semi-auto's in Australia.

Well....when and where did he actually say this? A few here are stating stuff like this BUT no hard evidence has been produced of him stating this. There must be some evidence out there to back up your arguments. As it has been said "put your money where your mouth is".

Bit hard to produce hard evidence from a pre internet era. My mate Mike McGuire took on Rebecca Peters in open debate, he and a group of fellas did as much to preserve guns as anyone else. The anti's wanted all guns people seem to forget, they battled them back to what you have in your gun safe. I got no evidence of any of that either.

I think time has created some hazy memories for some and they are now twisting the words of a man that can no longer defend himself.

Nick clearly put out that he opposed the proposed New gun laws and and even stood as a candidate on a One Nation Anti Gun law ticket.

[Fester]

He said what he said, so what, everyone says the wrong thing on occasion.

I liked the bit about when he drove the country school bus as a job where he could reload between the shifts.
He took his rifle and shot pests out of the window, much to the kids delight.

He was also political in his product test articals as you can't just say "this rifle or trigger is s**t" or your career will be short.
He would write something like "the trigger is a bit like a Brno" or somthing like that as an example.

[mickb]

Nick Havery absolutely did say we don't need semi-auto's in Australia.

Well....when and where did he actually say this? A few here are stating stuff like this BUT no hard evidence has been produced of him stating this. There must be some evidence out there to back up your arguments. As it has been said "put your money where your mouth is".

Bit hard to produce hard evidence from a pre internet era. My mate Mike McGuire took on Rebecca Peters in open debate, he and a group of fellas did as much to preserve guns as anyone else. The anti's wanted all guns people seem to forget, they battled them back to what you have in your gun safe. I got no evidence of any of that either.

I think time has created some hazy memories for some and they are now twisting the words of a man that can no longer defend himself.

Nick clearly put out that he opposed the proposed New gun laws and and even stood as a candidate on a One Nation Anti Gun law ticket.

My memories pretty good Billo. I recall the majority of gunowners doing SFA in 1996. I remember most the gun writers/advocates being roughly split , either fully against all the changes or compromising each other or staying out of it. No one liked the gun changes naturally and I dont think anyone ever claimed Nick harvey was against guns in general, that would be crazy talk

[Bugman]

.mmm Still no evidence. Also to denegrate someone who is not here to defend themselves is oh so one sided imo. To call that person a "communist scumbag" is low. Opinions are one thing but grubby accusations are another.

[mickb]

witness testimony is considered evidence. As to commenting on the dead being some kind of mortal sin, no, or we cant even comment on cricket players we thought were scumbags. Give me a break.

[Billo]

witness testimony is considered evidence. As to commenting on the dead being some kind of mortal sin, no, or we cant even comment on cricket players we thought were scumbags. Give me a break.

So you were there now when Nick said to a room full of people that Semi's are bad and should be banned now, come on Mick pull ya head in, Nick was opposed to the new laws and stated as much and even stood on a political ticket, something doesn't align here. Everything Ive stated can be corroborated.

[Oldbloke]

Written evidence, like a newspaper clipping would be very scarce I would think.

[alexjones]

I know it was over the wireless and it was in magazines because I heard it and I seen it. He never said he liked or supported the new laws he was just saying that people don't really need semi autos. In my eyes whether you are dead or alive if you tell me what I need you are a communist scum bag.

Providing physical evidence for something that long ago is impossible.

[Oldbloke]

I know it was over the wireless and it was in magazines because I heard it and I seen it. He never said he liked or supported the new laws he was just saying that people don't really need semi autos. In my eyes whether you are dead or alive if you tell me what I need you are a communist scum bag.

Providing physical evidence for something that long ago is impossible.

Everyone's idea/definition of "need" is different.

Need
Better &
Want

Are not the same.

I've met shooters in the past say they needed a semi. In reality a single or double in good hands would do the job.

Personally it's rare for me to fire a second shot. But that's because of how and where I hunt. A BA is suffice for majority of situations.

If your on a farm infested with pigs, it would be different.

It would be good to have the option, but personally I wouldn't bother.

Anyway, do people really think Nick's opinion changed the out come. I doubt it.

I'll duck for cover now.

[alexjones]

I know it was over the wireless and it was in magazines because I heard it and I seen it. He never said he liked or supported the new laws he was just saying that people don't really need semi autos. In my eyes whether you are dead or alive if you tell me what I need you are a communist scum bag.

Providing physical evidence for something that long ago is impossible.

Everyone's idea/definition of "need" is different.

Need
Better &
Want

Are not the same.

I've met shooters in the past say they needed a semi. In reality a single or double in good hands would do the job.

Personally it's rare for me to fire a second shot. But that's because of how and where I hunt. A BA is suffice for majority of situations.

If your on a farm infested with pigs, it would be different.

It would be good to have the option, but personally I wouldn't bother.

Anyway, do people really think Nick's opinion changed the out come. I doubt it.

I'll duck for cover now.

Yes look you are correct and I am being somewhat hyperbolic calling him a communist scumbag. In a hunting context excluding pest control culling you don't need a semi In order to kill the animal. I can agree with that.

[bigrich]

nick contributed to australian hunting more than anyone else i can think of . he's gone and isn't around to clarify his position from over 30 years ago . i don't believe his opinion on whether or not people need a semi auto had any influence on how gun laws were drafted. if he truly said what he said, he's entitled to his opinion . i think our focus needs to be on what's happening in the future whilst remembering and appreciating the past .

nick harvey RIP

[Oldbloke]

nick contributed to australian hunting more than anyone else i can think of . he's gone and isn't around to clarify his position from over 30 years ago . i don't believe his opinion on whether or not people need a semi auto had any influence on how gun laws were drafted. if he truly said what he said, he's entitled to his opinion . i think our focus needs to be on what's happening in the future whilst remembering and appreciating the past .

nick harvey RIP

100%

[alexjones]

There was probably no malice in words. Maybe he misspoke. Yes you do not “need” a semi auto in order to hunt a single animal. I am sure we can all agree on that. However I still say nobody should tell others what they need.

[Oldbloke]

There was probably no malice in words. Maybe he misspoke. Yes you do not “need” a semi auto in order to hunt a single animal. I am sure we can all agree on that. However I still say nobody should tell others what they need.

I do understand where your coming from

[bigrich]

There was probably no malice in words. Maybe he misspoke. Yes you do not “need” a semi auto in order to hunt a single animal. I am sure we can all agree on that. However I still say nobody should tell others what they need.

this is true . the virtue of true democracy and freedom is the right to voice one's opinions , and amicably agree to disagree

[Oldbloke]

There was probably no malice in words. Maybe he misspoke. Yes you do not “need” a semi auto in order to hunt a single animal. I am sure we can all agree on that. However I still say nobody should tell others what they need.

this is true . the virtue of true democracy and freedom is the right to voice one's opinions , and amicably agree to disagree

Yes, and some get what they want, others don't.

In Communists/dictatorship society only the top dogs get what they want.

[Wapiti]

I know it was over the wireless and it was in magazines because I heard it and I seen it. He never said he liked or supported the new laws he was just saying that people don't really need semi autos. In my eyes whether you are dead or alive if you tell me what I need you are a communist scum bag.

Providing physical evidence for something that long ago is impossible.

Everyone's idea/definition of "need" is different.

Need
Better &
Want

Are not the same.

I've met shooters in the past say they needed a semi. In reality a single or double in good hands would do the job.

Personally it's rare for me to fire a second shot. But that's because of how and where I hunt. A BA is suffice for majority of situations.

If your on a farm infested with pigs, it would be different.

It would be good to have the option, but personally I wouldn't bother.

Anyway, do people really think Nick's opinion changed the out come. I doubt it.

I'll duck for cover now.

You've proved what I suspected about you all along.

[Bugman]

I was conversing with some other shooters the other day and one of them reminded me that I once had a Ruger 10/22 with a Williams(?)
peep sight fitted and that I was able to knock off bunnies within 50-70 yards. Yes, I miss that little Ruger but I don't blame Nick for it's demise. I blame Howard the Coward.

[bigrich]

I was conversing with some other shooters the other day and one of them reminded me that I once had a Ruger 10/22 with a Williams(?)
peep sight fitted and that I was able to knock off bunnies within 50-70 yards. Yes, I miss that little Ruger but I don't blame Nick for it's demise. I blame Howard the Coward.

ruger 10/22's have a bit of a cult following overseas . i also blame little john for removing tariff's on imports around '96 so that we're now at the point we manufacture very little in this country and are reliant on importing overseas made products at high shipping costs. this is what trump's trying to avoid with reintroducing import tariff's to protect american industry . this country had 3 bulk container ships at one point owned by this nation to ensure import supply at reasonable cost . i've been told importing containers has more than tripled since covid . hmmm, wonder why the cost of living and foreign made firearms products like projectiles has gone through the roof . we get very poor value from our politicians

[Wapiti]

I know it was over the wireless and it was in magazines because I heard it and I seen it. He never said he liked or supported the new laws he was just saying that people don't really need semi autos. In my eyes whether you are dead or alive if you tell me what I need you are a communist scum bag.

Providing physical evidence for something that long ago is impossible.

Everyone's idea/definition of "need" is different.

Need
Better &
Want

Are not the same.

I've met shooters in the past say they needed a semi. In reality a single or double in good hands would do the job.

Personally it's rare for me to fire a second shot. But that's because of how and where I hunt. A BA is suffice for majority of situations.

If your on a farm infested with pigs, it would be different.

It would be good to have the option, but personally I wouldn't bother.

Anyway, do people really think Nick's opinion changed the out come. I doubt it.

I'll duck for cover now.

This kind of cr@p really bugs me.

How about, you don't need a hunting rifle at all. You know, the BA you say is all you need. Maybe a single shot because you're so great, because it's rare for you to ever need a second shot. In todays supermarket consumer society, you don't need to hunt at all. You can go shopping.

How about, the farmers and primary producers, who need to cull animals wrecking their livelihood and causing predation to their animals, who live 100's of K's from the supermarket so kill their own meat too, are the only ones with REAL NEED?

I can't stand fakes, and I can't stand Fudds.
Yeah, duck for cover.

[alexjones]

I know it was over the wireless and it was in magazines because I heard it and I seen it. He never said he liked or supported the new laws he was just saying that people don't really need semi autos. In my eyes whether you are dead or alive if you tell me what I need you are a communist scum bag.

Providing physical evidence for something that long ago is impossible.

Everyone's idea/definition of "need" is different.

Need
Better &
Want

Are not the same.

I've met shooters in the past say they needed a semi. In reality a single or double in good hands would do the job.

Personally it's rare for me to fire a second shot. But that's because of how and where I hunt. A BA is suffice for majority of situations.

If your on a farm infested with pigs, it would be different.

It would be good to have the option, but personally I wouldn't bother.

Anyway, do people really think Nick's opinion changed the out come. I doubt it.

I'll duck for cover now.

This kind of cr@p really bugs me.

How about, you don't need a hunting rifle at all. You know, the BA you say is all you need. Maybe a single shot because you're so great, because it's rare for you to ever need a second shot. In todays supermarket consumer society, you don't need to hunt at all. You can go shopping.

How about, the farmers and primary producers, who need to cull animals wrecking their livelihood and causing predation to their animals, who live 100's of K's from the supermarket so kill their own meat too, are the only ones with REAL NEED?

I can't stand fakes, and I can't stand Fudds.
Yeah, duck for cover.

I read his words more in the thought provoking sense. In a hunting scenario on a single animal(industrial pest control is not hunting) you don't NEED a self loading rifle/shotgun.


He is not giving his opinion on if you or I should have semi autos. We are just having a discussion on the word “need”.

As a man who believes Queensland should have ZERO gun control laws I would agree with him. You don't need a self loading longarm in the aforementioned context.

However, excluding child abuse material or a literal human slave I would never tell other people what they need or what they should own. Buy what you like.

[Oldbloke]

I know it was over the wireless and it was in magazines because I heard it and I seen it. He never said he liked or supported the new laws he was just saying that people don't really need semi autos. In my eyes whether you are dead or alive if you tell me what I need you are a communist scum bag.

Providing physical evidence for something that long ago is impossible.

Everyone's idea/definition of "need" is different.

Need
Better &
Want

Are not the same.

I've met shooters in the past say they needed a semi. In reality a single or double in good hands would do the job.

Personally it's rare for me to fire a second shot. But that's because of how and where I hunt. A BA is suffice for majority of situations.

If your on a farm infested with pigs, it would be different[/b].

It would be good to have the option, but [b]personally I wouldn't bother.

Anyway, do people really think Nick's opinion changed the out come. I doubt it.

I'll duck for cover now.

This kind of cr@p really bugs me.

How about, you don't need a hunting rifle at all. You know, the BA you say is all you need. Maybe a single shot because you're so great, because it's rare for you to ever need a second shot. In todays supermarket consumer society, you don't need to hunt at all. You can go shopping.

How about, the farmers and primary producers, who need to cull animals wrecking their livelihood and causing predation to their animals, who live 100's of K's from the supermarket so kill their own meat too, are the only ones with REAL NEED?

I can't stand fakes, and I can't stand Fudds.
Yeah, duck for cover.

Go back and read it again,,, after you calm down.

[Wapiti]

Someone like you doesn't influence me whatsoever. Doers and triers impress me, pretenders don't.
In fact, I doubt most of the claims you make here about anything. As is my right.
I bet you aren't even a member of SSAA and SU like you claim. Bet that's not even genuine.

[Wapiti]

I know it was over the wireless and it was in magazines because I heard it and I seen it. He never said he liked or supported the new laws he was just saying that people don't really need semi autos. In my eyes whether you are dead or alive if you tell me what I need you are a communist scum bag.

Providing physical evidence for something that long ago is impossible.

Everyone's idea/definition of "need" is different.

Need
Better &
Want

Are not the same.

I've met shooters in the past say they needed a semi. In reality a single or double in good hands would do the job.

Personally it's rare for me to fire a second shot. But that's because of how and where I hunt. A BA is suffice for majority of situations.

If your on a farm infested with pigs, it would be different.

It would be good to have the option, but personally I wouldn't bother.

Anyway, do people really think Nick's opinion changed the out come. I doubt it.

I'll duck for cover now.

This kind of cr@p really bugs me.

How about, you don't need a hunting rifle at all. You know, the BA you say is all you need. Maybe a single shot because you're so great, because it's rare for you to ever need a second shot. In todays supermarket consumer society, you don't need to hunt at all. You can go shopping.

How about, the farmers and primary producers, who need to cull animals wrecking their livelihood and causing predation to their animals, who live 100's of K's from the supermarket so kill their own meat too, are the only ones with REAL NEED?

I can't stand fakes, and I can't stand Fudds.
Yeah, duck for cover.

I read his words more in the thought provoking sense. In a hunting scenario on a single animal(industrial pest control is not hunting) you don't NEED a self loading rifle/shotgun.


He is not giving his opinion on if you or I should have semi autos. We are just having a discussion on the word “need”.

As a man who believes Queensland should have ZERO gun control laws I would agree with him. You don't need a self loading longarm in the aforementioned context.

However, excluding child abuse material or a literal human slave I would never tell other people what they need or what they should own. Buy what you like.

Fair enough, a fair interpretation and I'm sure you've given him the benefit of the doubt.

I however, see it a different way. I'm tired of the pathetic "I don't need... so..." self-important rubbish that's so prevalent nowadays from these kind of "peers".
He knew exactly what he was saying, from the "I only need one bullet" self-appraising comment, to the tell tale insight into what he really meant... "I'll duck for cover now". Says everything.
He even hung back and waited hoping for a comment from someone in his defence before having the nuts to leverage off it to make comment of superiority to me. Absolutely classic behaviour.

Sure, we're entitled to our opinions, but it's publishing self-opinionated, me me me cr@p like that which shows how divided we are. This is far from the only occasion that individual has posted up that backs this up. I'll call it out if I think it's so, don't let my opinions influence the rest of you. It's up to him to make his own history.

[Bugman]

Well, I just got out my homemade ouija boadr, contacted Nick and his message was " f^&$ing get over it people"

[bigrich]

Well, I just got out my homemade ouija boadr, contacted Nick and his message was " f^&$ing get over it people"

lol. I agree. Unless one nation win a federal election we’re not going to see any firearms laws repealed.

[Wapiti]

Since I last posted on this thread I haven't bothered to read any of the comments afterwards, I've made my point.
But I post something that sums up the issue at hand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gFCW3PHBws
Second verse after the chorus is most pertinent to those concerned.
So apt, in fact, that I've told my wife to have this played at my funeral when everyone leaves the service to go and have their egg'n lettuce sandwiches and pretend. It will sum up a few of the inevitable people who will show up.

[bigrich]

Since I last posted on this thread I haven't bothered to read any of the comments afterwards, I've made my point.
But I post something that sums up the issue at hand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gFCW3PHBws
Second verse after the chorus is most pertinent to those concerned.
So apt, in fact, that I've told my wife to have this played at my funeral when everyone leaves the service to go and have their egg'n lettuce sandwiches and pretend. It will sum up a few of the inevitable people who will show up.

used the link , great song , haven't heard it for a while . as for this forum , there's more that agree with you than don't on here . i dunno why you don't seem to like oldbloke but . i post my opinions on here as my own personal views . some agree, some don't . some like to sh!t stir and troll . at the end of the day i don't take too much to heart .

the thing i've found really sad is the poor opinion of "city hunters" by country folk . i try my darndest to by respectful and considerate , and i'm always asking questions and learning while i'm out bush , i have a good reputation and trust with those that do know me, which goes back to old world values and personal honour
some of the attitudes and doings of these clowns beggars belief. i've heard some shocking stories myself . freaking sad