Sicktoria actually bans machetes now!

[Oldbloke]

Sometimes , actually often police know who the grubs are and where they live but they can’t necessarily charge them a lot of the time If during a raid a cop finds a machete under the bed he can be charged. Your grandmother who has one in her garden shed is not going to be hunted down and prosecuted.. I tend to think of it as a law they need and they can enforce it when applicable. I’m ok with the law.

what worries me is it comes down to the interpretation and application of the law by a individual police officer. a lot depends on that officers demeanour. lots of laws are created with good intentions , but all too often they get misused

Fuk, your a mind reader.

[alexjones]

Just like how laws for gun safes were enacted to stop kids getting hold of the rifle in dads cupboard.
Now people stress so hard about secure storage because you can lose everything over it.

The original intent of all laws gets lost overtime.

[Oldbloke]

Just like how laws for gun safes were enacted to stop kids getting hold of the rifle in dads cupboard.
Now people stress so hard about secure storage because you can lose everything over it.

The original intent of all laws gets lost overtime.

Yes, that passes me off big time. I remember very clearly the argument about kids getting access. Creep.

[alexjones]

Just like how laws for gun safes were enacted to stop kids getting hold of the rifle in dads cupboard.
Now people stress so hard about secure storage because you can lose everything over it.

The original intent of all laws gets lost overtime.

Yes, that passes me off big time. I remember very clearly the argument about kids getting access. Creep.

Yeah mate which is how a lot of people support laws initially. It is not a terrible idea to lock guns in a safe when not in use to prevent misuse. But when you and I die this information is lost and people just think oh thats the way it is without knowing the backstory and the “intent of the law”.

However I like the way a lot of the good American states do it. If a child gets a hold of dads gun and shoots a school as an example the dad will be charged for not securing his gun. The law does not make him store it in a safe. They put the onus on him as an adult to keep it secure as he sees fit but will punish him if he does not keep it secure and it gets misused.

Thats the difference how in Australia we are treated like children and other countries are treated like adults.

[alexjones]

Just like seatbelts as an example! It is a good idea to wear a seatbelt, however if a grown adult does not want to wear one and he dies then F him. He accepted the risk. I don't believe in fines for seatbelts.

[bigrich]

Just like how laws for gun safes were enacted to stop kids getting hold of the rifle in dads cupboard.
Now people stress so hard about secure storage because you can lose everything over it.

The original intent of all laws gets lost overtime.

Yes, that passes me off big time. I remember very clearly the argument about kids getting access. Creep.

Yeah mate which is how a lot of people support laws initially. It is not a terrible idea to lock guns in a safe when not in use to prevent misuse. But when you and I die this information is lost and people just think oh thats the way it is without knowing the backstory and the “intent of the law”.

However I like the way a lot of the good American states do it. If a child gets a hold of dads gun and shoots a school as an example the dad will be charged for not securing his gun. The law does not make him store it in a safe. They put the onus on him as an adult to keep it secure as he sees fit but will punish him if he does not keep it secure and it gets misused.

Thats the difference how in Australia we are treated like children and other countries are treated like adults.

yeah , well , bit late to be charging dad AFTER his kid shoots up a school . that's how i view the american scenario you gave . unless your in a war zone , why wouldn't you secure your firearms in a safe . at the very least it makes it harder for some scumbag to steal your Favorite , treasured toys . or if you have kids, protecting them from harming themselves . common sense

[alexjones]

Just like how laws for gun safes were enacted to stop kids getting hold of the rifle in dads cupboard.
Now people stress so hard about secure storage because you can lose everything over it.

The original intent of all laws gets lost overtime.

Yes, that passes me off big time. I remember very clearly the argument about kids getting access. Creep.

Yeah mate which is how a lot of people support laws initially. It is not a terrible idea to lock guns in a safe when not in use to prevent misuse. But when you and I die this information is lost and people just think oh thats the way it is without knowing the backstory and the “intent of the law”.

However I like the way a lot of the good American states do it. If a child gets a hold of dads gun and shoots a school as an example the dad will be charged for not securing his gun. The law does not make him store it in a safe. They put the onus on him as an adult to keep it secure as he sees fit but will punish him if he does not keep it secure and it gets misused.

Thats the difference how in Australia we are treated like children and other countries are treated like adults.

yeah , well , bit late to be charging dad AFTER his kid shoots up a school . that's how i view the american scenario you gave . unless your in a war zone , why wouldn't you secure your firearms in a safe . at the very least it makes it harder for some scumbag to steal your Favorite , treasured toys . or if you have kids, protecting them from harming themselves . common sense

Yes but thats the difference in mentality of treating people like children and treating people like adults. Securing a gun is a good idea. However forcing someone by law the exact method in order to secure that gun is not a good idea.

Just like how in construction and mining if you sign the JSA and do a take 5 you will be safe(allegedly). Don't think about the hazards and implement the controls yourself just sign the piece of paper and let someone else think for you.

[Oldbloke]

Just like how laws for gun safes were enacted to stop kids getting hold of the rifle in dads cupboard.
Now people stress so hard about secure storage because you can lose everything over it.

The original intent of all laws gets lost overtime.

Yes, that passes me off big time. I remember very clearly the argument about kids getting access. Creep.

Yeah mate which is how a lot of people support laws initially. It is not a terrible idea to lock guns in a safe when not in use to prevent misuse. But when you and I die this information is lost and people just think oh thats the way it is without knowing the backstory and the “intent of the law”.

However I like the way a lot of the good American states do it. If a child gets a hold of dads gun and shoots a school as an example the dad will be charged for not securing his gun. The law does not make him store it in a safe. They put the onus on him as an adult to keep it secure as he sees fit but will punish him if he does not keep it secure and it gets misused.

Thats the difference how in Australia we are treated like children and other countries are treated like adults.

yeah , well , bit late to be charging dad AFTER his kid shoots up a school . that's how i view the american scenario you gave . unless your in a war zone , why wouldn't you secure your firearms in a safe . at the very least it makes it harder for some scumbag to steal your Favorite , treasured toys . or if you have kids, protecting them from harming themselves . common sense

I think most sane people would agree with that.

[perentie]

If the kid was brought up properly by his parents he would not go shooting up a school anyway.
It comes back to the parents.

[bigrich]

If the kid was brought up properly by his parents he would not go shooting up a school anyway.
It comes back to the parents.

unfortunately , human nature being what it is , some parents don't bring up their kids properly. some people are naturally mentally challenged . look at lydia thorpe

personally i don't think it's a big ask to store firearms securely . i'm a tradie and i lock up my tools so they don't get stolen or misused by the apprentice
why wouldn't i lock up my guns

[bigrich]

Yes but thats the difference in mentality of treating people like children and treating people like adults. Securing a gun is a good idea. However forcing someone by law the exact method in order to secure that gun is not a good idea.

Just like how in construction and mining if you sign the JSA and do a take 5 you will be safe(allegedly). Don't think about the hazards and implement the controls yourself just sign the piece of paper and let someone else think for you.

some people have no common sense and poor judgement which is why the safe law and risk assessment paperwork exists . i worked at a foundry with some not so bright fellas who needed to be protected by JSA type stuff to protect them from their own stupidity . you might feel your being treated like a child, but there are some grown men in our society who are oversized children, and don't think of risks . if a accident occurs in the workplace the company gets sued . the company doesn't want that , costs them lots of money , that's what the paperwork is for . the worker signs off and if he's hurt it on him . the company i worked for is a multinational , Bradken . i could tell some stories about that place . i don't like unions, but they saved me from getting screwed over

[mickb]

bans are dumb.If the laws of yesteryear wont fix a problem its a cultural issue, not a technical one.

I dont agree with a lot of so called safety , even workplace safety either.. Its hit and miss, too much based around insurance KPI's not actual safety, also selling safety gear, political aims, muscles out smaller businesses or mum and dad operations who cant afford all the BS. And thats whats happening.

Also regards gun courses, well we would also need them for the bigger injurers too. A buying grog course, use of powertools, ladders, swimming course, carrying your baby up stairs, bicycles, push scooters, buying poisons etc. A lot of things higher on the list than gun accidents.

Good heavens can you imagine explaining the 2020's to someone from the 1970's..

[Die Judicii]

bans are dumb.If the laws of yesteryear wont fix a problem its a cultural issue, not a technical one.

I dont agree with a lot of so called safety , even workplace safety either.. Its hit and miss, too much based around insurance KPI's not actual safety, also selling safety gear, political aims, muscles out smaller businesses or mum and dad operations who cant afford all the BS. And thats whats happening.

Also regards gun courses, well we would also need them for the bigger injurers too. A buying grog course, use of powertools, ladders, swimming course, carrying your baby up stairs, bicycles, push scooters, buying poisons etc. A lot of things higher on the list than gun accidents.

Good heavens can you imagine explaining the 2020's to someone from the 1970's..

Oh WOW,,,,, you've opened a f#$%ing big tin of worms now Mate.


As an example, I was telling another member from here yesterday,,,,,,,
My very first rifle at fifteen years of age was a semi auto 22

No such things back then as "training or safety courses" in the use of firearms.
I did it all from scratch myself with special products called "Common sense & Care" which doesn't seem to be available these days.
My father never owned a firearm, and I doubt he'd ever fired one either.

The biggest issue with todays laws and regulations is that people are no longer required to think or be responsible for their own actions.

[wanneroo]

I'm glad I got to spend time in Australia before it went total police nanny state.

It will be interesting to see how I go next time I visit. I usually head for the smaller towns and rural centers and avoid the big cities. Adelaide was fine though.

[Wapiti]

Just like how in construction and mining if you sign the JSA and do a take 5 you will be safe(allegedly). Don't think about the hazards and implement the controls yourself just sign the piece of paper and let someone else think for you.

Yeah but mate, that's what a "Take 5" is... You as an individual take 5 minutes to look at your workplace, your task and your gear and tick off a checklist of the possible hazards. A checklist that's been compiled from a long history of real-world incidents and dangers that your work has experienced.
Done properly and with enthusiasm it's an enormous benefit, that's proven in statistics.
Another benefit is that some people just need to stop and think...

[on_one_wheel]

Take 5, take, take 3 (because apparently 5 was too long), Stop Think, Assess Respond (star cards) Take time / take charge (tttc) and all the other woftam, I hate that crap... it's great for drones and people who love any excuse to walk around f***ing the dog.

Anyone worth their salt is always on the lookout, before, during and after a job, there's no substitute for proper training, I don't need a f***ing check list to make sure I'm leaving the house with my watch and wallet, are my wheel nuts secure,? is the weather conducive to safe driving ? Perhaps I should use my windshield wipers and drive to conditions, perhaps there's a safer route to travel....Give me a break.
Perhaps it's useful for those imbeciles who walk around with their eyes closed and their brain turned off.

When that rubbish was first implemented it was a check list for unusual jobs that weren't covered by operating procedures or jha's but eventually that wasn't good enough for the shiny asses from the safety department, they wanted it completed for every job regardless with the penalty for not doing so being a window seat on the next flight out, it really s**ts me to tears when I had to work with a nuff nuff who stopped for 5 to use that crap every 10 minutes

I'm so much happier now I out of the mining industry, their breeding codependency and mindless morons.

[mchughcb]

Safety consultants are great.

Just give them a wedgie in the crib room.

[bigrich]

Just like how in construction and mining if you sign the JSA and do a take 5 you will be safe(allegedly). Don't think about the hazards and implement the controls yourself just sign the piece of paper and let someone else think for you.

Yeah but mate, that's what a "Take 5" is... You as an individual take 5 minutes to look at your workplace, your task and your gear and tick off a checklist of the possible hazards. A checklist that's been compiled from a long history of real-world incidents and dangers that your work has experienced.
Done properly and with enthusiasm it's an enormous benefit, that's proven in statistics.
Another benefit is that some people just need to stop and think...

I agree

[bigrich]

bans are dumb.If the laws of yesteryear wont fix a problem its a cultural issue, not a technical one.

I dont agree with a lot of so called safety , even workplace safety either.. Its hit and miss, too much based around insurance KPI's not actual safety, also selling safety gear, political aims, muscles out smaller businesses or mum and dad operations who cant afford all the BS. And thats whats happening.

Also regards gun courses, well we would also need them for the bigger injurers too. A buying grog course, use of powertools, ladders, swimming course, carrying your baby up stairs, bicycles, push scooters, buying poisons etc. A lot of things higher on the list than gun accidents.

Good heavens can you imagine explaining the 2020's to someone from the 1970's..

I was a kid in the 1970’s . Things have changed a lot, and not for the better generally either. The world’s gone nuts where facts and the truth don’t register as people are brainwashed into “woke” lefty idealism. Does my head in.

[Bugman]

I was a kid in the 50's early 60's. On my 10th birthday I was given an air rifle. Friends knew, neighbours knew, nobody had a problem
as long as I behaved myself, of which, I did. Sadly this type of scenario has died over the years..

[mickb]

Yeah fellas It's the saddest thing to me when antis call guns more evil than other objects that kill as many ormore people every year( poisons, ladders, fast cars, grog, you know how long that list is). And our whole defence is a gun is an object , not evil.

Yet then some gunowners will argue tooth and nail for a bunch of laws and restrictions they wouldn't want for the other stuff.

[alexjones]

Yeah fellas It's the saddest thing to me when antis call guns more evil than other objects that kill as many ormore people every year( poisons, ladders, fast cars, grog, you know how long that list is). And our whole defence is a gun is an object , not evil.

Yet then some gunowners will argue tooth and nail for a bunch of laws and restrictions they wouldn't want for the other stuff.

What I find sad is how people want the government to have guns but not themselves.

Just call the police if somebody breaks into your house. The police will save you. Excuse me mr criminal I would appreciate it if you would stop attacking my daughter the police are on their way, they should be here in 5 minutes.

That is the world they live in where they want to be reliant on everyone but themselves.

[on_one_wheel]

5 minutes if you live next-door to to the station.
They're a 1/2 hour away from me unless one happens to be in the area and I'm certainly not remote.

[Stoney]

Sometimes , actually often police know who the grubs are and where they live but they can’t necessarily charge them a lot of the time If during a raid a cop finds a machete under the bed he can be charged. Your grandmother who has one in her garden shed is not going to be hunted down and prosecuted.. I tend to think of it as a law they need and they can enforce it when applicable. I’m ok with the law.

Vicpol shot Australians with rubber bullets ( the first time in Australia's history } during Covid and tased an old woman who was 80 years old mate. Are you insane?

[bigrich]

Sometimes , actually often police know who the grubs are and where they live but they can’t necessarily charge them a lot of the time If during a raid a cop finds a machete under the bed he can be charged. Your grandmother who has one in her garden shed is not going to be hunted down and prosecuted.. I tend to think of it as a law they need and they can enforce it when applicable. I’m ok with the law.

Vicpol shot Australians with rubber bullets ( the first time in Australia's history } during Covid and tased an old woman who was 80 years old mate. Are you insane?

such is the price of living in the glorious state of victoria-stan comrade

when you get of at the airport you'll be met by para-military with AK's . your papers , vere are urr papers

i remember getting off at the airport a few years back to be met by people in white hazmat suits asking me about covid symptoms , walking out to the cab rank to see a bunch of african taxi drivers off duty kicking a soccer ball around a vacant construction site, and a HUGE banner hanging of a new building under construction saying it was being financed by the PRC . after flying down from brisbane i thought i'd got on the wrong plane and ended up overseas .
australia ISN'T australia anymore . and some of my relatives down in melbourne actually think comrade dan was a good bloke FFS.

don't worry , there's still room in QLD . i got some room in my shed OB

[Oldbloke]

Get off an air craft at Rome.
Cops with AKs everywhere. All standing on platforms up above you.

[Oldbloke]

"don't worry , there's still room in QLD . i got some room in my shed OB "

I'm used to it.
Often sleep in a shearing shed.

[Wapiti]

don't worry , there's still room in QLD . i got some room in my shed OB

Keep out of Queensland. We have enough interlopers bring their political ideas and their socialist voting habits up here now, after rooting the place they're leaving.
Just like we have cashed up greenies coming out to primary production country and complaining about cows mooing.

[on_one_wheel]

don't worry , there's still room in QLD . i got some room in my shed OB

Keep out of Queensland. We have enough interlopers bring their political ideas and their socialist voting habits up here now, after rooting the place they're leaving.
Just like we have cashed up greenies coming out to primary production country and complaining about cows mooing.

I hear they've just made room for more in Morton Bay by booting all the homeless out.

[Wapiti]

Mate, they were going to float away, be washed out to sea. Cyclones are bad, mmm.